Compensation for Budenholzer?

[AzStevenCal]

How? Sarver was in Europe watching Doncic.

I read the article about Sarver watching Doncic on RealGM almost a week prior to it being posted here. I believe that Sarver was there for a game on Friday or Saturday and the second day of interviews would have been the following Tuesday. It still may have been by phone but I've seen no mention of it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Seems far more likely than what the realistic crowd came up with.

FTFY

 

[JCSunsfan]

If Budenholzer was requiring McD to give up some of his power, you can be damn sure that was discussed. Suns said no, Bud withdrew. That seems just as likely, maybe even more so, than Sarver lowballing him.

Think about the timeline (what little we know of it). Bud meets with McD and the front office team for 2 days. Then he gets on the phone for a 1-on-1 with Sarver (who was apparently with scouts in Europe watching Doncic at the time). He withdraws after that. It could be that it was this 1-on-1 call where he demanded more control that he couldn't really demand when meeting with the very guy he would take that control from. Sarver showed loyalty to McD and said no, Bud withdrew consideration.

I don't know if that's what happened, but it doesn't seem far-fetched.

Very plausible

 

[AzStevenCal]

Pretty much every theory I've read about how it went down with Bud seems plausible to me. It's quite possible that Sarver went cheap on the money or the compensation and it's possible that Bud wanted more control or didn't feel like he could work for Ryan or that he prefers living in New York or the potential of the Bucks team and so on. All we really know though is that we really don't know. I wonder if we ever will?

 

[JCSunsfan]

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Dream interview with Kidd. Everything goes well talking bball until they start talking about compensation. Sarver walks in the door pushing a wheel barrow full of horse manure and says.

"Sorry Jason. Its the best we could do. We only have one horse."

 

[elindholm]

Sarver walks in the door pushing a wheel barrow full of horse manure and says.

With a bunch of french fries sticking out of it.

 

[BC867]

It seems very realistic to me. Unless we were offering him the job, I can't imagine us discussing anything specific about the pay.

Really? You never discussed what a job entailed and the pay range in the initial interview? They go hand in hand. Unless either the interviewer or applicant decide on the spot, for other reasons, that they are not interested.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Really? You never discussed what a job entailed and the pay range in the initial interview? They go hand in hand. Unless either the interviewer or applicant decide on the spot, for other reasons, that they are not interested.

Agreed... unless both of us are totally misreading Steve’s post about what happened during those two days.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Really? You never discussed what a job entailed and the pay range in the initial interview? They go hand in hand. Unless either the interviewer or applicant decide on the spot, for other reasons, that they are not interested.

You must have just skimmed my posts. My point was that pay range is ALL that would be discussed as far as salary goes.

 

[SirStefan32]

Really? You never discussed what a job entailed and the pay range in the initial interview? They go hand in hand. Unless either the interviewer or applicant decide on the spot, for other reasons, that they are not interested.

I have never asked about the pay in an interview once I was an actual professional. If someone asks me about pay when I am interviewing them, I am almost guaranteed to cross their name from the list after the interview. Salary is negotiated when I am ready to offer you the job. Now, there are differences between interviewing candidates for a head coaching position in the NBA and interviewing the candidates for a typical middle-management position, but it is not hard to believe that salary is not mentioned in a typical initial interview.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have never asked about the pay in an interview once I was an actual professional. If someone asks me about pay when I am interviewing them, I am almost guaranteed to cross their name from the list after the interview. Salary is negotiated when I am ready to offer you the job. Now, there are differences between interviewing candidates for a head coaching position in the NBA and interviewing the candidates for a typical middle-management position, but it is not hard to believe that salary is not mentioned in a typical initial interview.

Yeah it's only a slightly better question than "how long do I get for lunch". But most of my hiring took place in the banking industry and all our positions were posted and included salary range so money just wasn't discussed until we were ready to make an offer.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm not talking about being cheap but the Hawks were paying Bud well and he likely want a significant raise. Maybe the Suns were not willing to go that high.

This is your new narrative? He likely wanted a significant raise? Anything to make it not the organizations fault . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I have never asked about the pay in an interview once I was an actual professional. If someone asks me about pay when I am interviewing them, I am almost guaranteed to cross their name from the list after the interview. Salary is negotiated when I am ready to offer you the job. Now, there are differences between interviewing candidates for a head coaching position in the NBA and interviewing the candidates for a typical middle-management position, but it is not hard to believe that salary is not mentioned in a typical initial interview.

I think that’s narrow minded of you. An interview goes both ways. You’re interviewing them to determine if you want them and they are likewise determining if they want to work for you. Part of the process, a CRUCIAL part is if both parties place the same value on the role. If you don’t then sooner than later you’ll have someone unhappy.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is your new narrative? He likely wanted a significant raise? Anything to make it not the organizations fault . . .

I'm offering another possibility to the discussion.

 

[BC867]

You must have just skimmed my posts. My point was that pay range is ALL that would be discussed as far as salary goes.

I may have, Steve. And Stef, I should have been clearer in my post. Of course, if you're asked early in the interview what the job pays, or what pay you're looking for, you might diplomatically defer the question.

But near the end of the interview, if both have a good idea of whether it is a serious match, of course the pay (and pay potential) becomes one of the important factors.

Surveys have showed that pay is not the most important single factor, but it is sure in the top 3 or 4.

So it is with NBA basketball. Do I respect the people to whom I'll be reporting? Do I like what I'm hearing? Do I want to live there? And what are they willing to pay?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm offering another possibility to the discussion.

Okay

 

[Western Font]

No one would be surprised if Sarver lowballed him. But I don’t see how anyone can be so sure that it happened. Or that salary was or was not discussed - especially based on their own interview history.

Does Bud have an agent?

 

[iLLmatiC]

I have never asked about the pay in an interview once I was an actual professional. If someone asks me about pay when I am interviewing them, I am almost guaranteed to cross their name from the list after the interview. Salary is negotiated when I am ready to offer you the job. Now, there are differences between interviewing candidates for a head coaching position in the NBA and interviewing the candidates for a typical middle-management position, but it is not hard to believe that salary is not mentioned in a typical initial interview.

I wouldn't waste my time with a company if they aren't willing to offer up a salary range for the position during initial talks.

 

[SirStefan32]

I wouldn't waste my time with a company if they aren't willing to offer up a salary range for the position during initial talks.

The other 200 applicants would appreciate your perspective.

 

[iLLmatiC]

The other 200 applicants would appreciate your perspective.

I'm not interested in a customer service job.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm used to salary range being available to all interested candidates but I guess maybe that's not standard to all types of business. We had a min, a max and a mid-point for every position and I never discussed salary until it was time to hire. When it came time to negotiate for the position, the salary offered would be based on all the important things - experience, age, religion, sexual preference, skin color and gender.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm not interested in a customer service job.

You've never been a hiring manager, have you? Do you know the number of applications that are received for professional and mid-management positions?

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm used to salary range being available to all interested candidates but I guess maybe that's not standard to all types of business. We had a min, a max and a mid-point for every position and I never discussed salary until it was time to hire.

Exactly.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Exactly.

You didn't want to "exactly" the last part of my post? You just know that someone will take it seriously.

 

[Mainstreet]

With Bud out of the picture, I hope the Suns are waiting for Igor if he is any reflection of Quin Synder. The Jazz have put together a nice team even after losing Gordon Hayward.