compensatory picks announced

[choginals]

none for the cards...

http://www.titansonline.com/news/titans_news_detail.php?PRKey=1678

 

[Diggity]

none for the cards...

http://www.titansonline.com/news/titans_news_detail.php?PRKey=1678

Well I for one could say that I saw this coming but I was holding out hope that I might have been wrong

 

[arthurracoon]

*sigh*

 

[Dan H]

Take note . . . neither the Packers nor the Cowboys received any either, despite what's often said around here.

 

[AZCB34]

I thought there was a chance for a 7th...held out hope for a higher one. Oh well.

 

[jolt]

No shocker, boys. We signed a slew of FAs last season. We didn't deserve one.

 

[AzCards21]

Take note . . . neither the Packers nor the Cowboys received any either, despite what's often said around here.

This must be the first time in NFL history the cowpunks haven't gotten one.

 

[AzCards21]

Off Topic!! Where the heck have you been Choginals?

 

[joeshmo]

I thought there was a chance for a 7th...held out hope for a higher one. Oh well.

We were one pick away from getting the dreaded Mr. Irrelavant pick. there is always 32 comp picks every year and if there are still some picks left over once the FA comp picks are given out the rest goes to sort of an 8th round which means the what would have been the draft order in the 8th round is given out until the 32 comp picks are given out which means that NYG, SD, and Oak got the last of the 7th rounders for not losing any FA's if there was one less FA comp given out we would have been next in line to get that last 7th rounder. Hope I explained hat well enough.

 

[Phill11]

This must be the first time in NFL history the cowpunks haven't gotten one.

Hey, Watch the mouth. It's Cowboys to you!

 

[vikesfan]

Well I for one could say that I saw this coming but I was holding out hope that I might have been wrong

This is another thing about the NFL that is pure BS. CIN lost 5 FAs but they signed 4. How come they don't get dinged instead they get a 3rd round pick. GB did get a pick.

It is completely bogus. Just get rid of it or do it via some kind of mathematical formula. This stinks.

Cards lose all 3 starting WRs and starting QB and get nothing? Freaking joke.

 

[joeshmo]

This is another thing about the NFL that is pure BS. CIN lost 5 FAs but they signed 4. How come they don't get dinged instead they get a 3rd round pick. GB did get a pick.

It is completely bogus. Just get rid of it or do it via some kind of mathematical formula. This stinks.

Cards lose all 3 starting WRs and starting QB and get nothing? Freaking joke.

Seems pretty fair to me. Who care if we lost our starting 3 WR's, Sanders signed for a minimal offer, and Jenkins wasnt even signed which shows how much the NFL as a whole thought about those 2 guys. Picks are given out to teams who loss more FA then signed unless the players signed compared to lost is only half of what the players lost got, then a comp pick will be given out for a net loss(that is how GB got there pick the players contracts that they lost were more then double that of the ones they signed.), In our case it wasnt true. If we didnt sign Emmitt Smith we would have gotten a good pick, seems fair to me.

And Cincy getting a 3rd for Spikes is very fair. they lost Gus Frerotte, Cory Hall, Nicolas Luchey, Lorenzo Neal, and signed Kevin Hardy, Reggie Kelly, Carl Powell, John Thornton and all of there contracts came out to be the same so they cancel each other out, which only leaves Spikes in the equation and his contract was big and he played realy well so the net loss for Spikes was deemed to be a 3rd round, again sounds fair to me.

Once you learn how these picks are given out, one will know how fair it really is. It isnt just some guys sitting in a room deciding on what teams get what, there is a set of rules and standards and yes there are formulas involved in making these picks. The problem is no one knows the exact rules and formula so to some it might seem unfair.

the only reason there are comp picks in the first place is becuase in the collective bargianing agreement the players association made the agreement that if the NFL wanted to move to a 7 round draft system instead of the 10 round draft, the NFL would have to give out the comp picks to make it so that more players are drafted and given a chance to play.

 

[AzCards21]

Hey, Watch the mouth. It's Cowboys to you!

No, It's punks. Have had the displeasure of seeing them in action for years.

 

[vikesfan]

Seems pretty fair to me. Who care if we lost our starting 3 WR's, Sanders signed for a minimal offer, and Jenkins wasnt even signed which shows how much the NFL as a whole thought about those 2 guys. Picks are given out to teams who loss more FA then signed unless the players signed compared to lost is only half of what the players lost got, then a comp pick will be given out for a net loss(that is how GB got there pick the players contracts that they lost were more then double that of the ones they signed.), In our case it wasnt true. If we didnt sign Emmitt Smith we would have gotten a good pick, seems fair to me.

And Cincy getting a 3rd for Spikes is very fair. they lost Gus Frerotte, Cory Hall, Nicolas Luchey, Lorenzo Neal, and signed Kevin Hardy, Reggie Kelly, Carl Powell, John Thornton and all of there contracts came out to be the same so they cancel each other out, which only leaves Spikes in the equation and his contract was big and he played realy well so the net loss for Spikes was deemed to be a 3rd round, again sounds fair to me.

Once you learn how these picks are given out, one will know how fair it really is. It isnt just some guys sitting in a room deciding on what teams get what, there is a set of rules and standards and yes there are formulas involved in making these picks. The problem is no one knows the exact rules and formula so to some it might seem unfair.

the only reason there are comp picks in the first place is becuase in the collective bargianing agreement the players association made the agreement that if the NFL wanted to move to a 7 round draft system instead of the 10 round draft, the NFL would have to give out the comp picks to make it so that more players are drafted and given a chance to play.

Well I have no problem if there is a formula.
But it seems to me there is no formula these guys sit around and make this stuff up. If there is a formula then anyone should be able to figure out the comp picks. It should be a completely objective mathematical process. With no subjectivity involved at all.

Look at RFAs for example. There are clear cut rules and everyone can figure them out. They Management Council doesn't need to sit around coming up with the picks. You sign Ogunlye you owe MIA a 1 and a 3. End of story - the management council doesn't sit around trying to figure out what draft picks you need to give MIA for Ogunlye etc.

It should be as clear as day and anyone should be able to figure it out. If not then it needs to be changed to that. NO SUBJECTIVITY!

 

[joeshmo]

Well I have no problem if there is a formula.
But it seems to me there is no formula these guys sit around and make this stuff up. If there is a formula then anyone should be able to figure out the comp picks. It should be a completely objective mathematical process. With no subjectivity involved at all.

Look at RFAs for example. There are clear cut rules and everyone can figure them out. They Management Council doesn't need to sit around coming up with the picks. You sign Ogunlye you owe MIA a 1 and a 3. End of story - the management council doesn't sit around trying to figure out what draft picks you need to give MIA for Ogunlye etc.

It should be as clear as day and anyone should be able to figure it out. If not then it needs to be changed to that. NO SUBJECTIVITY!

the Adam Guy new to this board has figured it out and again made some pretty good predictions. If you actually study the draft the formula can be figured out to a 90% success ratio and I am pretty sure that the teams GMs have figured it out as well.There is no subjectivity. there are clear cut rules. All of the rules are known the only thing that isnt known is what contract numbers will get you what draft picks.

1. If FA's signed = or > FA's lost, then no comp picks given.( a Rule clearly stated in the rules no matter what contract amounts except for, see below)

Unless contract value of FA's lost is 2 times the value of FA's gained.

2. If FA's signed is < FA's lost then comp picks are given out.

contracts of each of the players signed are compared to each of the ones lost and contract numbers are compared and players are taken away from the equation. For example if player A whom a team signed made 1 mill avg over the life of the contract and Player B whom this team signed makes 1 mill then no comp picks will be given out, and so on until the last player that was lost is left then there contract number will equal out to a draft grade, as I stated in the Cincy example.

Plus players who arent signed or signed after the offical FA period and not given qualifing offers dont count in the equations and rightfully so if a player we lost was one we never wanted to keep anyways why should we get a pick for it. Plus if a player is signed or lost after the FA period which I believe is after June 9th then teams in the NFL didnt put a lot of value on that player anyways so again a team should not get or recieve a pick for that player. So there are clear cut rules as to what FA's are eligible and which ones are not.

Again there are clear cut rules that govern this process and is known by everyone who wants to find out. The only thing that is not known is what the price range is when determining what draft picks are given out according to these set rules. For example eligible 5-6 mill players will get a 3rd round and a 3-4 player will get an eligible player a 5th rounder, and ect. This number is kept secret and rightfully so or Teams will not sign any players or make offers to all of there FA's just to get there comp picks and this would throw the whole FA process out of sink, and the collective bargianing agreement out of wack which states that only 32 comp picks can be given out.

There isnt a group of guys that just sit and randomly select teams to get draft picks. Read the NFLPA agreement and there are clear cut rules to this process and a few things left private for good reasons.

 

[Harry]

The cost of signing Smith was factor that bit the Cards. Actually, the formula stinks. For starters it should factor in whether the team tried to retain the free agent and how hard they tried. Take the Cowboys and Smith who was basically released. The Cards offers to Plummer and Boston were far better by comparison. Obviously if you lose someone you make an effort to retain, the loss is greater. The formula also penalized teams that have cap issues and need to bring in lower dollar players.

The MLB formula makes far more sense in that it rates players on their performance numbers and tags them with a value, ignoring marginal players entirely. If the NFL would adopt that the Cards would have done better, losing two impact free agents and signing one. The NFL is all about the salary cap and discouraging free agent prices from getting too high.

 

[JeffGollin]

Shockalocka (Ding Dong) Dismayola!

No, It's punks.
Or - as some of us like to fondly refer to them - : "Team Felon."

 

[Stout]

the Adam Guy new to this board has figured it out and again made some pretty good predictions.

Really? I thought he swore up and down there would be no 3rd round compensatory picks. I hate to say I told you so, from a simple fan to a so-called expert, but...

 

[vikesfan]

The cost of signing Smith was factor that bit the Cards. Actually, the formula stinks. For starters it should factor in whether the team tried to retain the free agent and how hard they tried. Take the Cowboys and Smith who was basically released. The Cards offers to Plummer and Boston were far better by comparison. Obviously if you lose someone you make an effort to retain, the loss is greater. The formula also penalized teams that have cap issues and need to bring in lower dollar players.

The MLB formula makes far more sense in that it rates players on their performance numbers and tags them with a value, ignoring marginal players entirely. If the NFL would adopt that the Cards would have done better, losing two impact free agents and signing one. The NFL is all about the salary cap and discouraging free agent prices from getting too high.

Great point their formula is wacked. They need to get an objective one in place and one that also reflects the realities of the players involved as you say.

 

[AdamJT13]

Really? I thought he swore up and down there would be no 3rd round compensatory picks. I hate to say I told you so, from a simple fan to a so-called expert, but...

I did not "swear up and down" there would be no third-rounders. I noted in my projections that there could be as many as three third-round comp picks, but I didn't think there would be. When you said you couldn't remember a time when there weren't any third-rounders, I just reminded you that there were no third-rounders last year and no third-rounders in 2000.

By the way, I got 24 of the 27 normal comp picks correct, and 26 of 32 overall. Considering that some general managers can't even figure out what picks their own team will get, I think I did pretty well.

 

[Pariah]

I think I did pretty well.

Me, too. I'm impressed.

 

[AdamJT13]

The cost of signing Smith was factor that bit the Cards.

Smith wasn't even part of the equation. Since Dallas released him, he didn't qualify. The Cardinals lost only three players (Sanders, Plummer and Boston) and signed five who qualified (Jackson, Blake, Darling, Spikes and Garcia). Since the Cardinals didn't suffer a net loss, they couldn't get one of the normal comp picks. And no team that signed more players than it lost has ever gotten even one of the "net point differential" comp picks at the end of the seventh round.

 

[Skkorpion]

Adam, your contributions are appreciated. Welcome. Are you a Cards fan?

 

[Stout]

I did not "swear up and down" there would be no third-rounders. I noted in my projections that there could be as many as three third-round comp picks, but I didn't think there would be. When you said you couldn't remember a time when there weren't any third-rounders, I just reminded you that there were no third-rounders last year and no third-rounders in 2000.

By the way, I got 24 of the 27 normal comp picks correct, and 26 of 32 overall. Considering that some general managers can't even figure out what picks their own team will get, I think I did pretty well.

Okay, fair enough. To be truthful, I didn't research this stuff and just saw the place where you predicted no third rounders, and didn't even see the other response. Sorry, bro, and welcome.

 

[D-Dogg]

Me, too. I'm impressed.

I agree completely; it's just amazing.