Controversial: Sean Morey or a Wide Reciever?

[Doug]

This years special teams have been VERY,VERY Special.Especially the kickers on both punts and kick offs and Field Goals and our guys are really getting down field and pinning guys deep.I'm lovin it.

I know Sean Morey was a Pro Bowler last season but this year our team is kinda in a bind with 2 of our starting 3 wide recievers gonna be touch and go for the rest of the season or easier to say,week to week.

Each player misses a lot of practice reps due to first Steve Breaston who's happened first and was lost as a gametime decision in our first game with the 9ers and threw Kurt Warner off something terrible as he was really counting on Stevie and he had players he was'nt used to working with in Long who was cut the day after that game.

Boldin now has a high ankle sprain which no one can fully recover from without total rest for a couple months (at least)Boldin is a MAN's MAN and can deal with pain like no other.Yet we have possibly 14 more games to go at the MOST.Counting the SB.13 if we get a first round BYE.

Thats a long time to have your knee swell up after every game and your ankle do the same and it could get even worse.GOD PLEASE NO!!!

We have Sean Morey as our #6 Wide Reciever and he's not gonna be catching any passes this season in my personal opinion.Do any of you think he will?

Sean has 4 solo tackles and 2 assists on special teams so far in 6 games while we have some new stars this year on special teams in the Howler and Will Davis and Highsmith have all stepped up their games in keeping the opponents on a long field.

I know this is very controversial and also Sean Morey is a big leader on this team,and this time of year there ARE NO wide recievers to go out and bring in to help your team.

We all see what the 2 rookies in Garcon and Collie are doing for the colts this year and picked up the system pretty fast and are already contributing.I think coach has said Doucet is looking crisp and going up bigtime for the ball in practice but come gametime Boldin is gonna have Doucet inactive due to him being able to bare the pain for at least the first half and not show it.

The longer Boldin plays in a game the more limping he does and his speed really slows down.You can't beat the 3 plays he made in that game in New York and that 44 yarder was awesome.He brought a major spark to the team.We can't do without that.

Fitz is on a schedule to break every record he has set in a single season this year except average per catch.The rest he will probably destroy if he stays healthy. Breaston was kinda missing in action in the N.Y. game and Urbane caught a couple short ones.

Next year everything is gonna change at wide reciever for this team anyway one way or the other with Boldin.I'm sure we give Breaston the 1st & 3rd round pick coverage as he's restricted Free Agent.

I guess since there is no one that we can add to our team at that sixth spot we better stay healthy from here on out or we're gonna be looking to pull someone off the street to try and fill out our wide recievers.

Obviously its got me worried.I'm sure we'd release someone else besides Morey anyway if we had to go out and find a wide reciever before the season ended.

I just know we carry 6 spots on this team for Wide Recievers and next year I'd like to have six wide recievers in those spots.We can bring another young speedster along somehow.I know the transition to the running team will happen as the team changes.You just can't make it happen overnight but thats where Whiz probably wants to go but more teams are passing now in the NFL than ever before successfully and lots of points are being scored due to it and Vegas is losing money with all the routes this year so far.

Its time for us to route someone other than the seahags.

Forgive me.I guess I'm just worried about our two guys having to make the full length of this very long season with the injuries they both have now and we really have'nt got backups for them both.Fitz,Urban,Doucet is what we would end up with.I'm sure an extra player would have to be found.I know we have tons of reps being missed daily by both Boldin and Breaston and hope that Doucet really turns out to be something that can help this year when called upon.

Lets find 6 wide recievers next season to run with.The giants fake field put a hurting on a bunch of ankles that were used to real grass fields it seems to me.No more fake fields this year unless we have to go to vikes or saints in playoffs.If Warner takes us to a 12-4 record or better.I'd say we let the old guy lead us one more year.He keeps proving everyone wrong that makes predictions on him during the summer.

He was'nt suppose to last 4 games last year.I'm hoping he starts all 16 games this year because the last&only 3 times he's done that he's gone to the SUPERBOWL.Forgive my long rant.

 

[Jasper]

Sean Morey single handedly won us the cowboys game last season. He is the heart of our special teams. His job might not be high profile but is an important position and player. Special teams are 1/3 of the game.

Fitz
Boldin
Breaston
Urban
Doucet

is plenty of depth. Don't forget we also have our TEs that can catch and 2 RBs. Hightower lead the team in catches.

I don't think we can afford the luxury of another WR. Who would want to be a 6th receiver for our team? Doucet barely gets any playing time already.
If we were to upgrade something I would prefer an extra quality CB or a pass rusher specialist. Maybe even a new tackle.

 

[jw7]

Can I get the cliff notes version of this?

Sean Morey is great on ST and he IMO is really underrated as a WR, just not given the chance with our WR depth. I saw him in Flagstaff and he just caught everything. Went 5-77 in the GB preseason game.

He could be a #4 or #3 on a lot of other teams. He easily beat out Lance Long, but the coaches did not think so.

If worrying about our WR depth is a concern, then I have a lot to be happy about.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Sean Morey single handedly won us the cowboys game last season. He is the heart of our special teams. His job might not be high profile but is an important position and player. Special teams are 1/3 of the game.

Fitz
Boldin
Breaston
Urban
Doucet

is plenty of depth. Don't forget we also have our TEs that can catch and 2 RBs. Hightower lead the team in catches.

I don't think we can afford the luxury of another WR. Who would want to be a 6th receiver for our team? Doucet barely gets any playing time already.
If we were to upgrade something I would prefer an extra quality CB or a pass rusher specialist. Maybe even a new tackle.

In addition.....he is the veteran presence in almost ALL of our offseason voluntary workouts. He sets the tone and the pace up Camelback Mountain. the rookies follow him, listen to him, and use him as their first example of what a professional should be.

The guy has donated his brain to science for the game he loves. And in turn, is a trend setter, and leader for the entire NFLPA in my opinion.

You NEVER cut guys like that. They either retire, or leave on their own terms.

 

[Shogun]

Sean Morey every time.

If a receiver goes down, that should mean we turn to more 2TE sets.

 

[Catfish]

Sorry Doug: But I get off the boat on this one. THis is precisely where I differ with you on KW. I don't see us having a need for more WR's. MOST teams would kill to have the depth that we have at that position.

You hit on part of the problem when you said that when Breaston could not go, it threw Warner completely off. Sorry, but NO QUARTERBACK in this entire league is guaranteed to have his personal WR's in the lineup each game. First, they are by body design, the most injury prone people in the business. Second, it is not the QB job to put the ball where HE THINKS the WR SHOULD BE, it is his job to put the ball where the receiver IS. Yes, I know his preferance is to throw to a spot at a certain time, just like it was done during practice. THat is just not in the makeup of most games, however, BUT it is one of the things that leads to KW having more interceptions than he would like.

I say this for more than just that reason. KW has also shown that he is NOT happy with running the 2 TE, 1 back set, although is tends to slow down the pass rush on him because of the threat of us running out of that formation. He doesn't like it because it takes him out of his comfort zone of being able to make his reads in proper order, and at the proper time. He has to look for something different than what he has been accustomed to, and he doesn't like it.

This is the ONLY thing that I don't like about KW. I think he is a REALLY, REALLY, gifted QB, and that he has the heart of a Lion. I ALSO think he is somewhat spoiled though because he prefers that every play would be just like you do it in ARENA BALL.

That is NOT going to happen in the NFL, not now, not ever. Up till now, he has been quite unflexible in this approach to the game. To me, THAT is the only part about KW that is PRIMA DONA, but it is THAT very part of him that caused his failure eventually in ST. Louis, and in NY.

This team is growing out of its baby steps, and no longer has to be spoonfed. I believe that KW has to either grow with this team and enter the REAL world, where you run the football to A. punish the defenders physically, B. get balance into your offensive attack so that the defenders can't just lay their ears back and rush, rush, rusn, and C. take time off the clock. THAT IS HOW CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON, and to have a QB who doesn't like that, because it throws off his timing seems (at least to me), to be the ONLY unselfish thing I see on this whole team.

I would REALLY like for KW to put aside his personal preferances, and just go about putting in his work without complaining to the coach about not having HIS receivers in the game, or that we are RUNNING too much. Everybody else on this team has bought into what we are doing-------I would like to see some compromise on HIS part too. Just Sayin'--------

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sean Morey every time.

If a receiver goes down, that should mean we turn to more 2TE sets.

Agreed.

We can put in one of our 4 TE's like Byrd.

Or we can just put Morey out on the field who is a fine WR. He is not going to do anything too special but Morey can get the job done.

Full confindence in his receiving abilities.

 

[Doug]

Catfish I don't know where you get half or more of your information between what Kurt says to Coach Whiz and a few other things you have made up in your own mind but no one else knows what he says but you.

Maybe you should write a book and let us know.We don't have the access you have to the sidelines and the practice field obviously.What a place that must be huh?

I personally don't see any prima dona or unselfishness on Kurts part at all.I totally disagree with you on about 99.9% of what you think about it.Sorry its just my opinion.You're entitled to have yours but don't think you know what is said personally between the coach and the quarterback.That makes you look silly.

If Warner went all week in practice and got his timing down with Breaston and game time decision Breaston is'nt playing and Long is playing and Warner has'nt been throwing to him all week due to Long being on the second or third team then during the game Long is never where he should be he got canned the next day.You have no clue about what I'm talking about.Has nothing to do with your made up idea's about KW.

For you to say Kurt Warner is spoiled because he wants every play to be like an arena league play is about the funniest line in that post and their are many.Kurt does'nt have a chance to be unflexible because he has to run the options that coach Whiz gives to him.Even coach Whiz has taken ALL the blame for what Kurt has called and the reasons why.Maybe you should look into that.

When Whiz wants a running play he calls one now,without a checkout option that he put in to begin with.So you need to catch up to how our offense is run.

Warner is'nt fumbling the ball is the major key and he LOVES the protection schemes we run with the two tight end sets that he says he does in the press conferences and to reporters so catfish...I'm sorry but you might be on the wrong meds on this one.

Lets just agree to disagree.You've got a lot more Kurt Warner to put up with as it makes you sad so you'll have to deal with that and I'll be able to enjoy watching him lead our team as the captain he is and a major character leader on this team also.I know coach Whiz has'nt voiced any complaints at all even once about Kurt this season.

I personally expect to see Kurt play better than he has in some games but he's had a lot of dropped balls this year on 3rd downs also.

This was'nt a Kurt Warner thread at all it was about having Two highly injured starting wide recievers that will be day to day for a possible 14 more games this season.Thats asking a lot.That is what this whole thread is about.Not Warner at all.

Since someone said Sean Morey can catch the ball then I'm happy to know that we can count on Sean if need be and crunchtime comes to that.Thats all that needs to be said in this thread really.Glad someone knew that.Peace be unto you all.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Agreed.

We can put in one of our 4 TE's like Byrd.

Or we can just put Morey out on the field who is a fine WR. He is not going to do anything too special but Morey can get the job done.

Full confindence in his receiving abilities.

Or, we could cut one of the 4 TE's.

 

[Catfish]

OK buddy, I yield. You're right, I am not on the sidelines, BUT I have seen, (in three different games), where KW called a time-out with 6-10 minutes left in the game and went to the sideline to talk with Whiz. Guess what, after that, they never ran another rushing play the remainder of the game. I made the assumption that KW asked Whiz to put the game in his hands and let him pass. That, I believe, is not an unreasonable assumption.

Whiz would say what he said about calling runs etc. Whiz is a players coach and he has their backs. I have no problem with that, so long as he doesn't let them talk him out of doing what his gut told him to do. That stuff is between the coach and player, and I am not privvy to any of it, (but you must know that there is that give and take on nearly all teams between coach and trusted QB).

Prima Dona was probably the wrong word to use for KW. It's just that every QB I ever met had Prima Dona in them, (or else they probably wouldn't have been a QB. I was wrong to label KW with that as I don't know him at all.

So far as the 2 TE one back set, he has gone on record as saying he doesn't like it. He prefers the 4 WR set. Don't know what else there is to say about that.

I have never said anything about KW being a poor leader, or a poor character person. Lord knows he is not any of those. I said that he has the heart of a lion and I sincerely mean that. You yourself pointed out the tackle he made along the sideline in the previous game. Most QB's would not even attempt that. I solidly agree that he gives us the very best chance of winning right now. I would not even think of replacing him with Leinart now.

I know this was a thread about WR's and who is getting reps this week. I stand by our WR corps being the deepest in the NFL, and no matter who is getting the reps, the QB should be ready, and accepting of whomever gets the call on Sunday. I have seen him approach a receiver after a mis-connect and lay it on him. Some times the defender jams the guy at the LOS. It happens to the best of them, even Boldin. I see no need to take it out on the WR just because he couldn't get where KW wanted to throw.

I said that I REALLY, REALLY like KW as our QB and leader. I mean that, and hope that you believe it. He DOES have a history of playing more games like he played early this season, as his time with a franchise goes on however. He was not on very good terms with the staff or the players and fans when he finished at St. Louis. I wouldn't even want to guess whether or not THAT is beginning to play into this situation at this time. Our scoring IS down though, and our WR's are not getting open as much as last year whether or not that is due to injury or something else.

I have noticed a lack of throwing the ball up for Fitz to go after it. He did that regularly last year and Fitz made a living at it. This year, it seems that Fitz always has a man draped on him, and the ball is being thrown where both have to contest for it. That is different from last year.

I know this was not a QB thread, but you can't take the QB out of this equasion. I'm sure that injuries have played a part in our offensive production being down, but this may also be part of the reason. I will agree to disagree with you and leave it at that. Fair enough?????????????

 

[ARZCardinals]

Morey is AWESOME! ALL OUT EVERY PLAY!!! Reason his numbers are a little down is that teams now focus on him during the week. They know who he is....a weapon. They are double teaming him.
NO WAY would I even think of moving him.

Morey - YOU ARE AWESOME!!!