Cooper getting better but Larsen will stay at RG

[Garthshort]

I realize that the Staff knows more than I do, and more than most of the other posters, but it seems that with Larson starting our running game has taken a nose dive. But like I said the Staff knows more than I do.

 

[Stout]

WTF?

 

[PJ1]

The talent difference between Cooper and Larsen is huge. BA is too smart for his own good sometimes.

 

[seesred]

Copper should be starting period. I also believe if he is well Ellington should be good to go.

GBR
40

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

This is BS...Larsen has not played better than Coop...Coop has a long way to go to justify his draft (likely never will) but Larsen has bee terrible.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

yeah... I don't really get it. What I don't get even more is how DOMINANT the O-line looked with Coop and Watford in there before Massie came back. Yes, the schedule was cream puffy, but they were still mauling people in the running game and giving Palmer all day to throw and there were massive differences in the two Niner games if that's any comparison.

This!!!

 

[BACH]

Is this a joke? Cooper has been excellent and our running game disappeared the second he went out. HMM. What a coincidence.

Larsen is total garbage and anyone care to remind us all what Ted Larsen's terrible play against the Rams did to Drew Stanton last year?

Totally agree!

While Cooper hasn't been dominant as a striaght line blocker I can't count the number of times where he has looked like a pro-bowler in space.

From the top of my head. Look at the Fells TD again NO with Palmer rolling out or the 8 yards TD from DJ against the Bears(I believe).

 

[BullheadCardFan]

yeah... I don't really get it. What I don't get even more is how DOMINANT the O-line looked with Coop and Watford in there before Massie came back. Yes, the schedule was cream puffy, but they were still mauling people in the running game and giving Palmer all day to throw and there were massive differences in the two Niner games if that's any comparison.

+1

There is no way that Larsen is better than Watford and Cooper. What is the coaching staff thinking? Trying to get CP to hurry his throws? Running game will stall. Makes no sense at all.

 

[Garthshort]

It will be interesting to see which OL person is Inactive this week? Cooper might be better, but Watford plays OG and OT.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

hes been one of our top OL, something else is going on

Based on what ?

Draft Status ?

The reasons why Cooper is not in there seem to be the same reasons Massie didn't start in BA's first year here. Communication issues, break downs in protection, inconsistent run blocking.

Just my opinion here, but I do not see where Cooper was opening holes, or really doing much of anything more than being a very average guard. Larsen may not be physically better, maybe just mentally better. I would personally like to see Watford in there instead of Larsen, but that is the coaches decision.

The run game goes through Veldheer and Iupati if you ask me. Thats were the holes have been from what I have seen.

This team is built to pass, if you cannot pass block they are not going to put you on the field, that has been pretty obvious to me. Thus why I am not surprised.

BTW, how anyone can say Cooper is better than Veldheer this year, is beyond me. Jared has been rock solid. He is not an elite left tackle, but for a guy that is labeled as "very good" he has held up well all year. Run blocking has been better this year too.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think people are overrating Cooper's play a bit. He's been about an average OG but I do agree that Larsen has been awful and the OL seemed better when Cooper was in there.

My personal theory is the staff is not happy with Cooper's toughness and the time it takes him to get back on the field from injury. He took 2 years for a 10 month injury with his leg and now he's taking over a month for a knee that, unless I missed it, they never really have said what is wrong with it. Meanwhile, you have Sendlein out there battling with one shoulder and doing everything he can to get on the field.

 

[BigRedRage]

Based on what ?

Draft Status ?

The reasons why Cooper is not in there seem to be the same reasons Massie didn't start in BA's first year here. Communication issues, break downs in protection, inconsistent run blocking.

Just my opinion here, but I do not see where Cooper was opening holes, or really doing much of anything more than being a very average guard. Larsen may not be physically better, maybe just mentally better. I would personally like to see Watford in there instead of Larsen, but that is the coaches decision.

The run game goes through Veldheer and Iupati if you ask me. Thats were the holes have been from what I have seen.

This team is built to pass, if you cannot pass block they are not going to put you on the field, that has been pretty obvious to me. Thus why I am not surprised.

BTW, how anyone can say Cooper is better than Veldheer this year, is beyond me. Jared has been rock solid. He is not an elite left tackle, but for a guy that is labeled as "very good" he has held up well all year. Run blocking has been better this year too.

Based on his play this year.

Not saying he is better than our LT. I said one of our best. Cooper has played very well at times this year and since he got hurt our running game has not existed. He is critical to the OL and was having a good year. He was playing a hell of a lot better than Larsen has been at RG. Based on what I have seen I thought Cooper was 2nd best on the whole OL behind our LT. Why would I care about his draft status?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Based on his play this year.

Not saying he is better than our LT. I said one of our best. Cooper has played very well at times this year and since he got hurt our running game has not existed. He is critical to the OL and was having a good year. He was playing a hell of a lot better than Larsen has been at RG. Based on what I have seen I thought Cooper was 2nd best on the whole OL behind our LT. Why would I care about his draft status?

I dunno, sometimes a draft status can push a guy to play more than he should, coughLeviBrowncough.

I guess it would be better put that, personally, I do not see much of a difference between Cooper, Larsen and Watford.

I would put Watford in there myself over Larsen and Cooper, but where I have seen issues with Cooper and Larsen, Watford also had some issues in pass protection.

As for the running game, Cooper is better than Larsen, and on par with Watford.

Thus is has to be a communication issue that keeps Cooper and Watford on the bench and has Larsen starting. Week after week it is reported through interviews with Steve Keim, BA, and Goodwin that communication issues on the line are causing more problems than raw talent.

Iupati for what it is worth, has been injury prone, and thus I think is playing about 80%. Has Cooper been more consistent than Iupati, I really cannot say to be honest. I personally would say Iupati is the best guard on the team, but that I just personal opinion, an opinion I will use to debate with, but just an opinion none the less.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Does he mean playing better right now because Cooper is not healthy, or better than Cooper was before? Seems awfully coincidental that we can't run without Cooper and can with him but maybe that's about CJ and Iupati not being 100% yet.

This is how I took it, that a 100% TL is playing better then say a 80% Coop.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Based on what ?

Draft Status ?

The reasons why Cooper is not in there seem to be the same reasons Massie didn't start in BA's first year here. Communication issues, break downs in protection, inconsistent run blocking.

Just my opinion here, but I do not see where Cooper was opening holes, or really doing much of anything more than being a very average guard. Larsen may not be physically better, maybe just mentally better. I would personally like to see Watford in there instead of Larsen, but that is the coaches decision.

The run game goes through Veldheer and Iupati if you ask me. Thats were the holes have been from what I have seen.

This team is built to pass, if you cannot pass block they are not going to put you on the field, that has been pretty obvious to me. Thus why I am not surprised.

+1

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Is this a joke? Cooper has been excellent and our running game disappeared the second he went out. HMM. What a coincidence.

Larsen is total garbage and anyone care to remind us all what Ted Larsen's terrible play against the Rams did to Drew Stanton last year?

I'm pretty sure that was Cooper. It was probably the whole line, but Cooper was particularly horrible on that play. I think. I'm not going to look back at the play to be sure, bad memories.

Larson holds up in pass blocking for the most part. Keeping Carson upright is my main priority.

Lastly, BA is saying Coop will be there in the future, he's just not ready. Said the same thing about Logan Thomas last year...

 

[Chopper0080]

I think people are overrating Cooper's play a bit. He's been about an average OG but I do agree that Larsen has been awful and the OL seemed better when Cooper was in there.

My personal theory is the staff is not happy with Cooper's toughness and the time it takes him to get back on the field from injury. He took 2 years for a 10 month injury with his leg and now he's taking over a month for a knee that, unless I missed it, they never really have said what is wrong with it. Meanwhile, you have Sendlein out there battling with one shoulder and doing everything he can to get on the field.

Two things that coaches prioritize with linemen, consistency and availability. Cooper has struggled with both.

I whiffed on this pick. I never thought Cooper would be so soft and with such poor technique. Im off college OGs for a while.

 

[Finito]

Well it does seem EVERYBODY was wrong with this pick. Cooper has been solid this year in my opnion playing better than Iupati but just solid for this guy isn't good enough. Remember this guy was supposed to be the best guard to come into the NFL since Larry Allen.

But it does look like we weren't the only ones that didn't get what they expected in that draft. Probably turned out to be the single worst draft at the top in memory.

1. Eric Fischer
2. Luke Joeckel
3. Dion Jordan
4. Lane Johnson
5. Ziggy Ansah
6. Barkivious(sp) Mingo
7. Jonathon Cooper
8. Tavon Austin
9. Dee Milliner
10. Chance Warmack

5 offensive lineman in the top ten and not one of them is anything more than "decent" . I really wanted Warmack in that draft but he's not any good either really

 

[Buckybird]

Well it does seem EVERYBODY was wrong with this pick. Cooper has been solid this year in my opnion playing better than Iupati but just solid for this guy isn't good enough. Remember this guy was supposed to be the best guard to come into the NFL since Larry Allen.

But it does look like we weren't the only ones that didn't get what they expected in that draft. Probably turned out to be the single worst draft at the top in memory.

1. Eric Fischer
2. Luke Joeckel
3. Dion Jordan
4. Lane Johnson
5. Ziggy Ansah
6. Barkivious(sp) Mingo
7. Jonathon Cooper
8. Tavon Austin
9. Dee Milliner
10. Chance Warmack

5 offensive lineman in the top ten and not one of them is anything more than "decent" . I really wanted Warmack in that draft but he's not any good either really

The lesson to be learned...Never pick an OG in the top 10, especially at #7 Nuff said

And yet most were pissed we didn't pick Warmack who's been a bust as well.

 

[CardNots]

The lesson to be learned...Never pick an OG in the top 10, especially at #7 Nuff said
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+1

 

[oaken1]

The lesson to be learned...Never pick an OG in the top 10, especially at #7 Nuff said

And yet most were pissed we didn't pick Warmack who's been a bust as well.

The CORRECT lesson to be learned,.....is that even talent can take time to develop and adjust to the NFL game,...so be patient.

 

[juza76]

if they have to develop they should be all drafted after round 2
even tackle's seem to struggle in the early years
not worth drafting them so high

 

[Stout]

Larsen ABUSED in pass pro.

 

[Ed Burmila]

Larsen is going to get Palmer f-ing killed. Three times already (one sack, two pressures) he has let somebody blast Palmer.

 

[Stout]

Larsen is going to get Palmer f-ing killed. Three times already (one sack, two pressures) he has let somebody blast Palmer.

Can we PLEASE get Larsen out of this fricking game?