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To be honest, why there's still anyone on this board who hasn't yet put sunsfan88 on Ignore is beyond me. I did it almost as soon as he joined.
Coro: Steve Nash's career with the Phoenix Suns nears its end
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To be honest, why there's still anyone on this board who hasn't yet put sunsfan88 on Ignore is beyond me. I did it almost as soon as he joined.
Plus it's not true. The Suns got Childress as a result of the Amare S&T, so there's that.
dodie53
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childress, haha.
childress, haha.
BC, you are really grasping at straws here.
If you guys remember we tried to trade Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, but the Cavaliers wouldn't give up JJ Hickson. Then with Amare Stoudemire we went to the Western Conference finals. I'm fairly certain this sounds the Phoenix Suns were not offered anything of decent value for Steve Nash. The only thing that would have changed is that we would have been much worse and could have drafted a few spots higher.
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I would like to do a sign and trade with New York, they have some interesting young pieces... or any team to get something of value in return. However, I'm sure Nash wants more money.
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Get Shumpert too?
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I like what I know about Shumpert when healthy. He definitely has upside that has been untapped.
The thing is, how can NY offer Nash enough money.
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Why not? Pick up Shumpert/Fields/Beasley, maybe another SF/big man, and see if any of them turn into something worthwhile.
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Fields is a free agent, so it would have to be a double sign and trade. NY still won't be able to get anywhere near Toronto's offer.
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Not true. New CBA rules state that if you aren't a tax paying team you can offer 100% of outgoing salaries + $5M in a trade.
Meaning the Knicks can do Shumpert ($1.6M) + Fields (S&T at $4M/yr for a contract similar to Dudley) for Nash and pay him $10M/yr. The Knicks would then be spending $63M on just 4 guys. Honestly? Sounds like something they'd do.
I think I would rather they get Lin to sign and trade instead of Fields. Lin can be a starter but I think his window will close in a few years. Something in the 5-7 Million range for Lin would be good.
So..evidently....the Raptors have made an offer to Nash but not the previously reported 3 year 36 Million offer reported by SI. It's probably in that ball park but less. Going to be interesting to see if the Raptors do the full court press for Steve.
I already mentioned that in my post. It appears they still made an offer just not for that amount.
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I'd rather have Lin as well. I just don't see it happening but with NY, who knows. If DA were still the coach there it would happen no matter what.
I think their new coach is not 100% sold on Lin so I think there still might be a chance. Plus NY media would be ok with loosing Lin for Nash. They kinda overvaule the kid right now.
BC867
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Are you banging your head for leaving out my reference to reduced playing time and tentative defense? Ah, selective quoting!Oh please... yeah i am sure playing center was the reason for his knee and eye surgeries...
BC867
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Joe, I was referring to the effect it had on Amar'e's playing time, health and playing defense as our only "big" on the court. And tentative defense or sitting on the bench in foul trouble down the stretch. Game after game, it took its toll.
Yes, Frye had the height and weight, but has played soft (and beyond the arc) alongside as the 2nd "big" on the court.
Many teams were playing "small" then. Amare hardly played against big Centers. Most of the time Amare would start running out for the fast break instead of going for the rebound. Amare fit this system well, and in the system he would be the Center. Amare didn't use much of his energy on Def.
Thats totally conjecture on your part in order to serve your world view of anti small ball basketball. Thats fine, you like a more traditional game with a hefty, plodding Center, fine. But to say Amare playing at the 5 under D'Antoni lead to his health issues isn't provable and is pretty silly.
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I would have to agree that Amare's career at the 5 didnt contribute negatively to his health. I mean,its not like Amare was banging inside night in and night out on the defensive end
Interestingly though,that season he played next to Shaq...Amare's scoring and weak side defense appeared(to me anyway) to come with much less effort. He found open jumpers that weren't always there before,and was able to get out on the break more often.
His '08-'09 numbers dont back that up,but numbers dont always read like a book. I felt Amare was more effective in some ways playing next to a good big man.
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BC867
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Dwight Howard isn't a "hefty, plodding Center". Neither is Gortat. But they are legitimate Centers.
My point about Amar'e moving from Power Forward to Center with either a Small Forward or a soft Frye at Power Forward left him as our only big. Even if Amar'e played alongside Robin Lopez (because of his inconstency), it is the kind of pressure that would put Amar'e at an unfair disadvantage.
Look at the difference in the Mavs with Dirk playing alongside C Tyson Chandler (Champions) vs. Chandler gone this past season.
He had Shaq/Kurt Thomas/Insert Scrub PF/C (Hunter, Diaw, Lou, and others) that played most of the time at C. Amare only played with Frye for one year.
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Nash for Calderon and Toronto's 2013 first round pick.
Why?
Toronto clears 7M$ capspace to use this year to improve the team more at the cost of their draft pick.
There was talk that Nash had agreed to be signed and traded if he leaves the Suns.
Toronto saves their amnesty clause. Essentially we would be buying their draft pick for 7M$. It is likely to be a #20 pick or something like that unless Nash gets hurt.
Calderon could start ahead of Marshall for half the season and be traded as an expiring contract for another asset at the trade deadline when Marshall is ready to step up as a starter.
Why?
Toronto clears 7M$ capspace to use this year to improve the team more at the cost of their draft pick.
There was talk that Nash had agreed to be signed and traded if he leaves the Suns.
Toronto saves their amnesty clause. Essentially we would be buying their draft pick for 7M$. It is likely to be a #20 pick or something like that unless Nash gets hurt.
Calderon could start ahead of Marshall for half the season and be traded as an expiring contract for another asset at the trade deadline when Marshall is ready to step up as a starter.
