Could Doncic 'Steve Francis' himself onto the Suns?

[playstation]

http://ballislife.com/flashback-199...for-being-drafted-by-the-grizzlies-at-2-pick/

It seems like he is not doing anything to help his draft stock (knowing he's got his tournament, etc). also seems like it's not that easy to just force him to play for whatever team drafts him-
https://moorebasketball.com/2016/05/30/how-it-works-draft-rights-and-signing-draft-picks/

and clearly he is motivated by being coached by Suns coach. so - possible scenario? and if so, that could artificially lower the price tag to get him (a la Steve Francis' trade price). thoughts?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Yep I have been on this for awhile. Lots of smoke around it

(Typing while jogging is hard)

 

[Mainstreet]

http://ballislife.com/flashback-199...for-being-drafted-by-the-grizzlies-at-2-pick/

It seems like he is not doing anything to help his draft stock (knowing he's got his tournament, etc). also seems like it's not that easy to just force him to play for whatever team drafts him-
https://moorebasketball.com/2016/05/30/how-it-works-draft-rights-and-signing-draft-picks/

and clearly he is motivated by being coached by Suns coach. so - possible scenario? and if so, that could artificially lower the price tag to get him (a la Steve Francis' trade price). thoughts?

Even better, no team drafts him until the Suns can find a team to move up in the draft.

 

[Russ Smith]

Is your plan that he refuses to sign with who drafts him and they have to trade him to the Suns, or that he refuses to work out, causes himself to slide, and then the Suns move up and get BOTH him and Ayton?

 

[GatorAZ]

Depends on if they’re willing to deal JJ which I doubt they are. I could see an argument for both sides.

 

[playstation]

Is your plan that he refuses to sign with who drafts him and they have to trade him to the Suns, or that he refuses to work out, causes himself to slide, and then the Suns move up and get BOTH him and Ayton?

not 'my plan' but what i'm postulating is the possibility of the former. the latter is already happening. and yes, the end game is to have both ayton and doncic without giving up booker or jackson - thus 4 potential studs.

 

[Russ Smith]

not 'my plan' but what i'm postulating is the possibility of the former. the latter is already happening. and yes, the end game is to have both ayton and doncic without giving up booker or jackson - thus 4 potential studs.

Yeah I know he's refusing to workout I don't know if he really wants to slide to end up with the Suns or not. I could certainly see him wanting to play for the same coach again. When players refuse to workout the usual explanation is either they have a promise from someone, or they're trying to hide something usually an injury. With a Euro kid the assumption would be different but clearly he's not hiding anything from Phoenix with the coach there, so is he trying to hide something so he doesn't slide, or trying to slide on purpose?

Interesting idea.

 

[Suns_fan69]

He would have to play the 'I'm just going to stay in Europe until I am traded to the Suns" card. As a Suns fan I'd be pretty happy with this, as an NBA fan it'd be terrible. I'd be pretty pissed if I was Sacramento or Atlanta and he pulled that.

 

[Mainstreet]

He would have to play the 'I'm just going to stay in Europe until I am traded to the Suns" card. As a Suns fan I'd be pretty happy with this, as an NBA fan it'd be terrible. I'd be pretty pissed if I was Sacramento or Atlanta and he pulled that.

I think if Doncic made it clear he could stay in Europe unless drafted by the Suns, he would slide to where the Suns could trade for him. I'm not saying it's going to happen but a team in the top 10 would not want to waste a top pick in a strong draft.

 

[pokerface]

I think if Doncic made it clear he could stay in Europe unless drafted by the Suns, he would slide to where the Suns could trade for him. I'm not saying it's going to happen but a team in the top 10 would not want to waste a top pick in a strong draft.

Doncic has some leverage because he can stay another year in Europe but I don't see him sliding past #7 in that scenario. Then like you are saying we'd have to trade up. A lot of iffy-ness going on there. The Steve Francis thing was more cut and dry... I thought he fell one spot maybe?

 

[Mainstreet]

Doncic has some leverage because he can stay another year in Europe but I don't see him sliding past #7 in that scenario. Then like you are saying we'd have to trade up. A lot of iffy-ness going on there. The Steve Francis thing was more cut and dry... I thought he fell one spot maybe?

The thing is about Francis, he was drafted by a team hoping to keep him. If the Suns wanted Doncic, they would need to find a willing trade partner to draft him at a particular spot in the draft and then trade his rights to the Suns immediately so there is no waiting period. This is providing he slides. I'm not sure who that team would be in the top 7 picks or wherever he goes.

Of course it's iffy. There is a lot of iffy-ness going on. It's how we pass our free time.

 

[pokerface]

The thing is about Francis, he was drafted by a team hoping to keep him. If the Suns wanted Doncic, they would need to find a willing trade partner to draft him at a particular spot in the draft and then trade his rights to the Suns immediately so there is no waiting period. This is providing he slides. I'm not sure who that team would be in the top 7 picks or wherever he goes.

Of course it's iffy. There is a lot of iffy-ness going on. It's how we pass our free time.

Well it seems plausible under that scenario. Doncic would really have to drop far though....or maybe not if we ante up big time. If the right team was involved it's definitely doable.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well it seems plausible under that scenario. Doncic would really have to drop far though....or maybe not if we ante up big time. If the right team was involved it's definitely doable.

It's hard to see Doncic making a hard stand on this issue. We shall see.

 

[Hoop Head]

He would have to play the 'I'm just going to stay in Europe until I am traded to the Suns" card. As a Suns fan I'd be pretty happy with this, as an NBA fan it'd be terrible. I'd be pretty pissed if I was Sacramento or Atlanta and he pulled that.

What keeps the league from getting involved if Doncic does that? Ok, maybe the Suns aren't involved but it does look bad. We have the coach that Doncic has a history with and that he wants to play with. There is definitely some issue there and I feel another team would call for a tampering investigation if nothing else.

I don't think we've done anything wrong, but who knows what has happened behind the scenes. I can't imagine teams would welcome that sort of investigation and it could negatively effect how the Suns are viewed for a little while when it's happening.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Isn't this essentially what Kobe did back when he was drafted? My memory of the situation is hazy but I recall him saying he would only play for the Lakers.

 

[Hoop Head]

Isn't this essentially what Kobe did back when he was drafted? My memory of the situation is hazy but I recall him saying he would only play for the Lakers.

I think Kobe's story has been distorted over time. He didn't want to play for Charlotte, that was known, but I think he had a few teams he'd accept a trade to, with the Lakers being one of them. Since he played his whole career in LA and some consider him one of the greatest Laker's ever, it sounds better to skew things some and say he only wanted to be a Laker.

 

[pokerface]

What keeps the league from getting involved if Doncic does that? Ok, maybe the Suns aren't involved but it does look bad. We have the coach that Doncic has a history with and that he wants to play with. There is definitely some issue there and I feel another team would call for a tampering investigation if nothing else.

I don't think we've done anything wrong, but who knows what has happened behind the scenes. I can't imagine teams would welcome that sort of investigation and it could negatively effect how the Suns are viewed for a little while when it's happening.

Never thought of that but yeah the optics are bad for real. We need not go there.

 

[overseascardfan]

I think PHX would still have to trade up. A team like LAC with 2 lottery picks (#12 & #13) could take him and still get a guy that will play for them next year. They would hold Doncic’s rights until he decides to play in NBA or use him as a trade chip.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think PHX would still have to trade up. A team like LAC with 2 lottery picks (#12 & #13) could take him and still get a guy that will play for them next year. They would hold Doncic’s rights until he decides to play in NBA or use him as a trade chip.

Agree. The Suns would have to move up earlier. Teams may gamble after #8.

 

[Phrazbit]

Agree. The Suns would have to move up earlier. Teams may gamble after #8.

I don't think he slips out of the top 6, even if he said he wasn't coming over next season for sure. Dallas or Orlando would gobble him up.

For him to get lower than that he'd have to say he only wants to play for some specific team... and even then I still suspect he'd get taken in the top 10.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think he slips out of the top 6, even if he said he wasn't coming over next season for sure. Dallas or Orlando would gobble him up.

For him to get lower than that he'd have to say he only wants to play for some specific team... and even then I still suspect he'd get taken in the top 10.

I was drawing a projection of where teams might gamble (after #8) on drafting Doncic if he said he would stay in Europe. We agree Doncic will go in the top ten picks and likely early.

 

[Phrazbit]

I was drawing a projection of where teams might gamble (after #8) on drafting Doncic if he said he would stay in Europe. We agree Doncic will go in the top ten picks and likely early.

Yeah, in know. I think he goes top 6, even if he stays in Europe a year.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, in know. I think he goes top 6, even if he stays in Europe a year.

I guess we will find out. Teams in a long rebuild might look at it this way.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah, in know. I think he goes top 6, even if he stays in Europe a year.

Teams that would not do this: Phoenix, Sacramento, Atlanta, Memphis, Knicks

Teams that might do this: Dallas, Chicago, Cleveland (if LeBron is gone), Hornets, Sixers.

If Doncic says he is staying in Europe he will not go before: Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Porter, JJJr, Mikal Bridges, Young, Wendell Carter. He could get hurt, he might never come. Too much of a risk with players of this caliber in this draft.

So my prediction: If Doncic says he is staying in the draft but also staying in Europe at least one year, he will drop to 9 or lower.

 

[Hoop Head]

Teams that would not do this: Phoenix, Sacramento, Atlanta, Memphis, Knicks

Teams that might do this: Dallas, Chicago, Cleveland (if LeBron is gone), Hornets, Sixers.

If Doncic says he is staying in Europe he will not go before: Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Porter, JJJr, Mikal Bridges, Young, Wendell Carter. He could get hurt, he might never come. Too much of a risk with players of this caliber in this draft.

So my prediction: If Doncic says he is staying in the draft but also staying in Europe at least one year, he will drop to 9 or lower.

Perhaps he's saying he's staying in Europe to help land where he wants. I can't see him staying in Europe another year if the Suns were able to trade for him or trade for a pick to draft him.

Also Cleveland doesn't have a bright front office. It wouldn't surprise me if they drafted Doncic whether he's planning on coming over or not. They're all in on Lebron and I think drafting Doncic shows they're trying to upgrade their team. If they can't get him to come over, that sucks but it can't be blamed on them entirely. It depends on what Doncic's camp is saying come draft time.