Could Harrison deal push Dansby back to the table?

[AsUdUdE]

We'd be lucky if we sign him to that deal. I think he's seeking more than $24 mil guaranteed

This is THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL... Its sad and true... Karlos Dansby in his mind HONESTLY believes he is worth more than the reining Defensive Player of the year...

It is an ABSOLUTE JOKE, and for all those who are defending Dansby, please explain how you can still back him up.. I have said all along I think Dansby is probably a top 10-15 LB in the league, but he wants to get paid like a top 1-2, which is a joke..

He makes me ill..

 

[CardShark]

Whatever happened to the transition tag? Wouldn't we get a 1st and a 3rd if another team signed him and we didn't match? Wouldn't we know his market value then? I would take those picks for him any day of the week.

 

[lauraw]

Cbus cardsfan, I.m for trading Dansby because he has snubbed the Cards and to me[only my opinion]disrespected the team and the players by his me-first attitude. you aren't trying to compare fitzgerald in any way to Dansby are you? Characterwise on the outside there is no comparison. fitz said he'd take a cut to pay boldin or warner, right? Character for the team...Dansby is not the player he thinks he is, Cbuscardfan, no matter what pedestal you want to put him on. This defense can survive and even thrive without him and I, being a Cardinal fan knowing noone is above the team, say trade him and get a high draft pick instead of keeping him for one year with no hope of re-signing
him as he has intimated. I agree to respectfully see your point and disagree with it.

 

[DoTheDew]

Then he is an idiot. If he could lock down anything even close to this deal he would avoid risk of injury. I say his pride now eyes this deal.

If there is no cap next year, and we do let Dansby go, I could see Jones or Snyder giving him some ridiculous amount.

 

[DoTheDew]

I'm with you all the way on this one, lw.

Problem is...who would pay the price for him (draft picks and mega-millions in salary)?...especially when they can wait a year and get him for less.

If they wait until next year, they have to compete with other teams, if they trade, they have exclusive rights as well as an extra franchise tag if a deal can't be worked out assuming the CBA isn't renewed before then.

 

[Duckjake]

When Dansby almost singlehandedly changes the momentum and outcome of a superbowl, then he can make that much.

You mean something sort of like this:

1-10-PIT 16 (2:46) 21-M.Moore left tackle to PIT 22 for 6 yards (56-C.Okeafor).
2-4-PIT 22 (2:09) (No Huddle) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle intended for 10-S.Holmes INTERCEPTED by 58-K.Dansby (97-B.Robinson) at PIT 33. 58-K.Dansby to PIT 34 for -1 yards (21-M.Moore).

Not Dansby's fault the offense gave it back plus some.

 

[Duckjake]

It's not that shocking when you remember that Harrison was playing in NFL Europe as recently as 2004. He wasn't even a starter until the 2007 season (after Joey Porter was cut during the previous offseason).

Before his breakout 2007 season, Steelers fans knew him as the guy that body slammed a Browns fan running on the field on Christmas Eve in '05:

Not that interesting. How many more million did Fitz make over Boldin for example? Had to be 10M+.

That's the point. What you get paid also depends on the timing of your contract not just what you are worth. Are the top draft picks worth what they get paid as rookies?

 

[joeshmo]

Whatever happened to the transition tag? Wouldn't we get a 1st and a 3rd if another team signed him and we didn't match? Wouldn't we know his market value then? I would take those picks for him any day of the week.

He already signed the franchise tag so we cant go back now. Plus there is no compensation for the transition tag. The only thing you get with that tag is the right to match any offer, you dont get any draft picks.

 

[joeshmo]

If there is no cap next year, and we do let Dansby go, I could see Jones or Snyder giving him some ridiculous amount.

Depends. Is Dallas or Washington a top 8 team? If they are they will not be able to spend willy-nilly. Top 8 teams in uncapped year have more rules on them then the other 24 teams. They cant sign as many players or spend as much, they will be severely limited in what they can do because of the new rules on top 8 teams in the uncapped year.

 

[lobo]

Last time I looked I didn't notice his name as a professor of finance at the university of chicago. If a major leage offer was on the table and he wants to take a shot at something bigger, he is taking an gigantic risk, but he is over 21 and free to do as he wishes. Without calling names he needs a course in good judgement and math!! There will e some very attractive lb's available next year and he will be up against them.

 

[SuperSpck]

Dansby wants a deal bigger than either Scott or Harrison.
He'd be paid like one of the best linebackers in the game.
The question from my perspective is, point blank, is he one of the leagues' best?
No. He's good, but he was still on a marginal defense that went flaccid in the biggest game of their lives.
He wants that money he can grab it somewhere else.

 

[john h]

He is not coming back to the table. He wants to be a free agent next year and test the market. I hope I'm wrong but that seems to be his mind set.

If I were Karlos or any other big time player and the economy being what it is I would take a good deal now rather than wait for a bigger deal. You risk injury. You risk an economic disaster of some sort. A bird in the hand is still worth two in the bush in my mind. Especially in todays world. I say this not because I want to keep Karlos (and I do) but because it makes more economic sense to me. These guy probably do not think much about economics other than wanting more money. Things do not always go up as workers at GM have found out.

Movie stars are being hit by the economy. Big time stars are not getting the big deals they once got. They still make big money but perhaps not outrageous money they did only a year ago.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i find it interesting that there are so many people that KNOW what Karlos Dansby is thinking. I think it's all still up in the air. His knew agent may, or may not, hinder negotiations. I think Dansby gets a new deal and stays in Arizona.

 

[Duckjake]

i find it interesting that there are so many people that KNOW what Karlos Dansby is thinking. I think it's all still up in the air. His knew agent may, or may not, hinder negotiations. I think Dansby gets a new deal and stays in Arizona.

It is also interesting that so many people think that Dansby isn't a top LB but that he'll get so much money from another team the Cards won't be able/willing to keep him.

 

[AsUdUdE]

It is also interesting that so many people think that Dansby isn't a top LB but that he'll get so much money from another team the Cards won't be able/willing to keep him.

Dansby is a good LB.. but he is NOT a top or ELITE LB.. PERIOD...

He just isn't, maybe he will be a top F.A. in a given yearwhere all the elite LB are locked up, I will give you that but to say he is a top 5-7 LB in the league is just not a true statement...

I have said and wll always say I will buy that he is MAYBE 11-15 in the league which makes him an above average LB, yes, but not a top LB, which is how he wants to be paid, and the Cards are not going to do that, and I don't blame them....

 

[AsUdUdE]

DJ Williams form the Denver Broncos is a very comparrable player to Dansby.... ANd most people feel like he is a good certainly not great LB in the league.. just sayin..

 

[Duckjake]

Dansby is a good LB.. but he is NOT a top or ELITE LB.. PERIOD...

He just isn't, maybe he will be a top F.A. in a given yearwhere all the elite LB are locked up, I will give you that but to say he is a top 5-7 LB in the league is just not a true statement...

I have said and wll always say I will buy that he is MAYBE 11-15 in the league which makes him an above average LB, yes, but not a top LB, which is how he wants to be paid, and the Cards are not going to do that, and I don't blame them....

I just watched the DVD the Cards sent to season ticket holders. Now I disagree with you even more.

DJ Williams? Come on. Dansby has more sacks and more interceptions in a single season than Williams has in his entire career.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i've never gotten an answer to my qusetion in another thread. If Dansby goes who do you want to replace him . To get someone of his caliber will probably cost the Cards even more. Then you have to throw in the fact that the new guy would be replacing the team leader of the defense and a someone who has been in the system for years. I still remember reading some ludicrous comments,last year i believe, that people though Beisel could do an equivalent job to Dansby. Then there's bound to be someone say you can draft a guy to and start him . I could see that if we had a guy that had been on the team for a few years an was ready to take over. Say we draft a guy like Antonio Appleby this year. He's similar is size to Dansby. You let him learn the ropes for 2 years and then when a guy like Dansby wants a boatload of money, you let him walk. The Cards aren't to that point, depth-wise yet. They got a start by letting Smith go because CC can take over.

 

[Skkorpion]

Aaargh. Bring on the draft. Please. It is less than 10 full days from now.

If you stop, take a deep breath and think for a minute, it is now likely there will be no further negotiations at all with Dansby until at least June 1. The window of opportunity is temporarily closed.

GMs and all personnel people are currently draft-fixated. All other tasks will be shut down, if they haven't been already. Right after the draft, several days of frantic UFA signing will occur. Then most of the month of May, nearly everybody working for the Cardinals will take their vacations.

Around June 1 Cardinals business tasks will resume.

 

[Shogun]

Dansby is a good LB.. but he is NOT a top or ELITE LB.. PERIOD...

He just isn't, maybe he will be a top F.A. in a given yearwhere all the elite LB are locked up, I will give you that but to say he is a top 5-7 LB in the league is just not a true statement...

I have said and wll always say I will buy that he is MAYBE 11-15 in the league which makes him an above average LB, yes, but not a top LB, which is how he wants to be paid, and the Cards are not going to do that, and I don't blame them....

FOOLISHNESS!

He's a Top 6-7 ILB and a Top 3 WLB. You'd be hard pressed to find someone of Dansby's caliber in the league. Please list ten inside linebackers and ten outside linebackers better than Dansby. I challenge you.

And DJ Williams could be as good as Dansby if the Broncos didn't make him play a different position every year. I hate how the Broncos are using him.

 

[AsUdUdE]

FOOLISHNESS!

He's a Top 6-7 ILB and a Top 3 WLB. You'd be hard pressed to find someone of Dansby's caliber in the league. Please list ten inside linebackers and ten outside linebackers better than Dansby. I challenge you.

And DJ Williams could be as good as Dansby if the Broncos didn't make him play a different position every year. I hate how the Broncos are using him.

I said LB.. period, not seperating between inside or outside, weakside, or strongside... in general, as a LB, he is not a top 10 LB....

The reason one can't compare those diferences, is the position is SOO different playign a 3-4 to a 4-3...

yes DJ Williams doesn't have a lot of sacks/INT... but he has 80 more tackles playing 5 less games..... HE doesn't rush the QB hardly at all, that doesn't mean if you switched the two he would be just as good at sacks/INT, but I bet you anything he would be comparrable...

It is the same argument against Aaron Curry in the draft, dude has what like 4 sacks in his career, doesn't mean he isn't a great LB, it just means in the system he played in, they simply didn't send him after the QB, or drop him into coverage all that much...

The bottom line is Dansby is a good LB, but he is not ELITE, thats all I am saying.. and I could name 10 LBs in the league I would take in a heartbeat over Dansby right this second, that could come in and play Dansby's position...

with Denver switching to the 3-4 this year I will put money that he and Dansby will have similar numbers this year...

 

[AsUdUdE]

FOOLISHNESS!

He's a Top 6-7 ILB and a Top 3 WLB. You'd be hard pressed to find someone of Dansby's caliber in the league. Please list ten inside linebackers and ten outside linebackers better than Dansby. I challenge you.

And DJ Williams could be as good as Dansby if the Broncos didn't make him play a different position every year. I hate how the Broncos are using him.

I AGREE.. growing up I was about as die hard of a Bronco fan as there was, and now, they are still 1a. in my heart and the way they have used him is sickening sometimes... hopefulle with Nolan (who IMO knows how to coach a Defense), he will return to his 2007 form...

 

[Duckjake]

# of tackles is meaningless. Those stats are padded and often the wrong guy is credited with the tackle. Ron McKinnon was once credited with over 200 tackles in consecutive seasons. Do you consider him to have been an elite LB?

You can find LBs with more sacks. You can find LBs with more tackles, You can find Lbs with more turnovers. But you can't find very many with Dansby's combination of all 3.

 

[AsUdUdE]

# of tackles is meaningless. Those stats are padded and often the wrong guy is credited with the tackle. Ron McKinnon was once credited with over 200 tackles in consecutive seasons. Do you consider him to have been an elite LB?

You can find LBs with more sacks. You can find LBs with more tackles, You can find Lbs with more turnovers. But you can't find very many with Dansby's combination of all 3.

lol.. point taken... but THAT is kindof funny

 

[SuperSpck]

He's a Top 6-7 ILB and a Top 3 WLB. You'd be hard pressed to find someone of Dansby's caliber in the league. Please list ten inside linebackers and ten outside linebackers better than Dansby. I challenge you.

I thought it'd be fun to give this a shot.

Looking over too many different players I've come to the conclusion that it's easier to find an WILB than an WOLB. It's easier to find a Will than a Sam.

Dansby's one of the better ones and his rare blend of height, weight and speed make him special, but it may not be hard to find a more cost-efficient replacement and get a draft pick to boot.

These are guys I like at WILB (3-4) or WOLB (4-3) or Mikes or Sams that given the opportunity to start there could excel.

The Names
(The guys who I'd take over him, no matter what)
DeMeco Ryans
Lance Briggs
Keith Bulluck
Lofa Tatupu
Patrick Willis
Jon Beason

The As Good As Or Dang Close
(Small sample set of work, constantly shifting spots, schemes, continuatly bad teams, etc, makes for a harder gauge)
Jerod Mayo
Bart Scott
Andra Davis*
D.J. Williams
Thomas Howard
Barrett Ruud
Jonathan Vilma
Chad Greenway*
Julian Peterson*

The Guys Who Just Might Work
(Position changes, senery changes, etc. Different skills sets)
Brian Urlacher
D'Qwell Jackson
Leon Williams*
Derrick Johnson
Tim Dobbins*
Will Witherspoon
Manny Lawson
Rocky McIntosh*
Stewart Bradley
Dan Morgan*
Curtis Lofton
E.J. Henderson
Nick Barnett
Ernie Sims

*Guys I'm on the fence about for some reason, may be dropped from the list or downgraded.

There aren't 10 guys that I think are flat-out better than Dansby, but there are enough guys that could fit into the defense in his place we may not notice.

In a perfect world I'd love to pay every player more than they'll ever need, but in the realities of the cap world a team has to have budget balance.
I'd pay blockbuster money to:
DE's
OLB's
S's