critique my offseason plan...

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id resign...
warner
davis
obefemi

nfl FA...
l.bentley-c/g (assuming hutch is franchised)- versitile, can play c or g at a probowl level. his versatility leaves our options open in rd2 for the best T OR G, draft a G (gilles?) move him to C draft a T (winston/scott) he plays G.

c.hope-fs-steelers- good in pass d can come up and make a play on the ball. use to playing next to a ss like wilson (polomalu) who plays up and blitzes a lot leaving him to cover over the top.

k.clancey-dt-giants- he's been credited with the drastic improvement in the giants run d and is perfect to be next to plymakers like umenyora, strahan, berry, okefor, dockett

draft
1-l.white
2-best t/g available (gilles/winston/scott)
3-best te i.e. fasano/klopfenstein

this wouldn't be a very expensive offseason at all, just because we have the cap room doesnt mean we HAVE to spend it all, it leaves us a little wiggle room for next offseason (maybe a good fa qb?) and still addresses all of our needs. It would be VERY tempting to go after edge but I just can't see breaking the bank on a 28y/o rb with a repaired knee, that may cost us the ability (cap room) to go after fa's like bentley and fill other needs (fs, dt, ol), that i believe we are in more need of. since i really like l.white and would love to see a young healthy back in here for the next decade instead of edge for 2 or 3 good years at a much higher price id opt against edge.

If i was to go after another big name fa it would be w.witherspoon, he wont cost as much as peterson or arrington but would greatly upgrade that lb corpfort years to come (i beleive he's only 25)

I may even consider cutting ross (i believe he's a 5mil cap hit next year) and signing j.backus to play rt. id love to keep him ofr depth but not at that cap #, with ross' old coach coming in i really can't see that happening though. I doubt we could afford him on top of althe other signings.
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A bit optimistic, but solid overall. I think cutting Ross and landing Backus is a bit of a pipe dream though.
 

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sundevil04 said:
id resign...
warner
davis
obefemi

nfl FA...
l.bentley-c/g (assuming hutch is franchised)- versitile, can play c or g at a probowl level. his versatility leaves our options open in rd2 for the best T OR G, draft a G (gilles?) move him to C draft a T (winston/scott) he plays G.

c.hope-fs-steelers- good in pass d can come up and make a play on the ball. use to playing next to a ss like wilson (polomalu) who plays up and blitzes a lot leaving him to cover over the top.

k.clancey-dt-giants- he's been credited with the drastic improvement in the giants run d and is perfect to be next to plymakers like umenyora, strahan, berry, okefor, dockett

draft
1-l.white
2-best t/g available (gilles/winston/scott)
3-best te i.e. fasano/klopfenstein

this wouldn't be a very expensive offseason at all, just because we have the cap room doesnt mean we HAVE to spend it all, it leaves us a little wiggle room for next offseason (maybe a good fa qb?) and still addresses all of our needs. It would be VERY tempting to go after edge but I just can't see breaking the bank on a 28y/o rb with a repaired knee, that may cost us the ability (cap room) to go after fa's like bentley and fill other needs (fs, dt, ol), that i believe we are in more need of. since i really like l.white and would love to see a young healthy back in here for the next decade instead of edge for 2 or 3 good years at a much higher price id opt against edge.

If i was to go after another big name fa it would be w.witherspoon, he wont cost as much as peterson or arrington but would greatly upgrade that lb corpfort years to come (i beleive he's only 25)

I may even consider cutting ross (i believe he's a 5mil cap hit next year) and signing j.backus to play rt. id love to keep him ofr depth but not at that cap #, with ross' old coach coming in i really can't see that happening though. I doubt we could afford him on top of althe other signings.

You asked for a critique, so here it comes. Many of your thoughts have been addressed in multiple previous posts, but perhaps you have not seen them. So allow me:

a) Resign Warner. They are currently negotiating with him and a deal should be imminent. Consider this a fait accompli. Leonard Davis. He is not under any form of FA (UFA,RFA,EFA etc.) so we can stand pat and do nothing if we want. The prudent move however would be to re negotiate his existing contract (which calls for a total of $8MM+ in base/bonus in 2006) in order to lock him up going forward and to reduce his total cap hit for this year and beyond. Ayanbadejo. He is indeed a serviceable player and has a value as a pass catching FB. But he is not critical, although cost affordable and a very good team player. John Hodgins is a more accomplished blocking FB (although injury prone and rather expensive cap wise). If Green sees value in him, he is a non issue in terms of worrying about losing him.

b) Your FA pick of Bentley/Hope seem to be consensus favorites. While the DT pickings in FA are slim, Clancey doesn't represent a heck of an improvement over a healthy Russell Davis, IMO. Langston Moore is solid depth, with excellent upside. I acknowledge that a DT is a position of need. Ryan Pickett from the Rams might be a potential NT in FA.

c) Draft White, a T/G and a TE. White is a consensus option in the 1st, assuming that we don't go after Edgerrrin James in FA. Personally, the RB issue is the one quandry as I analyse the off season. I'm mixed about James (or any of the other prominent FA RB's) versus LenDale. A T/G in round 2 is likely a selection that you can take to the bank. Gilles might slide into round 2 but it is very iffy that he will. If he does, I can't see him lasting to #41. But there are others that will be available ( Joseph, Latui and Spencer).Most of the high pofile RT's will be gone by #41. Picking up a TE is not a priority on day 1, IMO. The premier ones will be picked by the 3rd round and I'm not sure that any round 3 TE is incrementally better than what we have. My opinion means "squat", but I'm in the "let's give the tandem of Bergen/Edwards another year" to assess what we really have in them.

d) Will Witherspoon is the one W/OLB that would be a great acquisition. I'd pass on either of Petersen/Arrington.

e) Backus is a LT (contrary to popular opinion, he has never played a down at RT, irregardless of comments that Detroit have wanted to move him there. A move from LT to RT is not as transparent as one would assume. Ross' cap hit is $3.5MM not $5MM by the way.
 

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spanky1 said:
a) Resign Warner. They are currently negotiating with him and a deal should be imminent. Consider this a fait accompli. Leonard Davis. He is not under any form of FA (UFA,RFA,EFA etc.) so we can stand pat and do nothing if we want.

He probably meant Russell Davis.
 

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spanky1 said:
While the DT pickings in FA are slim, Clancey doesn't represent a heck of an improvement over a healthy Russell Davis, IMO.

Wow, you are giving way to much credit to Russel Davis if you truely believe that.
 

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joeshmo said:
Wow, you are giving way to much credit to Russel Davis if you truely believe that.

And with all due respect, I think you are giving Clancey far too much "head". TSN rates Clancey a 6.4 and Davis a 7.4.

Ouside of playing better for NY Giants in his last year (and 1st year of FA) than he did while in Pittsburgh, he is undersized.
 

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spanky1 said:
And with all due respect, I think you are giving Clancey far too much "head". TSN rates Clancey a 6.4 and Davis a 7.4.

Ouside of playing better for NY Giants in his last year (and 1st year of FA) than he did while in Pittsburgh, he is undersized.

Undersized. They are the same size at 305 lbm but Clancy is much more stout and better leverage being 3 inches shorter then Davis.

As for the TSN ratings were those before or after the season. Highly doubtfull Davis was still that high after not even playing this season and Clancy that low after being credited with making the Giants run go from 28th to 12th.

And our run D went from 27th to 10th with Davis and McKinnon out of the line up coincidence, a Little bit, yes, but it does speak volumes that our run D got better after the 2 main Run personel on the field Slant NT and MLB were changed from last years duo.
 

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joeshmo said:
Wow, you are giving way to much credit to Russel Davis if you truely believe that.


I am with spanky. But not because I think Davis is that good. It is because I don't think Clancy is as good as people make him out to be.

The Giants were good against the run for more reasons than Clancy. William Joseph was a beast this year, Robbins was vastly improved, and Pierce at MLB is a monster.

Clancy is a waste of money IMO.
 

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