Current Depth Chart/Needs

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Just going by what we have as a current depth chart, this does not take into account any possible trades going forward which will probably happen (i.e. trading Shelton), please correct me where I am wrong on the current player list, I am sure I'm gonna list someone who isnt currently part of the team...

Offense:
QB - Kurt Warner, Josh McCown, John Navarre, Shaun King
XWR - Anquan Boldin, Karl Williams
ZWE - Bryant Johnson, Lawrence Hamilton
HWR - Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Newhouse
TE - Eric Edwards, Bobby Blizzard
RB - Marcell Shipp, Troy Hambrick, Damian Anderson, Josh Scobey
FB - James Hodgins, Obafemi Ayanbadejo
LT - Leonard Davis, LJ Shelton
RT - Oliver Ross, Anthony Clement
LG - Reggie Wells, Cameron Spikes
RG - Jeremy Bridges, Rolando Cantu
C - Alex Stepanovich, Nick Leckey

QB is set right now unless your giving up on McCown which I dont think the organization is ready to do yet, so dont expect anyone grabbed here either free agent or draft.

WR also very set, With Fitz, Quan, & BJ, plus veteran help of Karl Williams and rookie Newhouse, might see a very late round pick of WR but highly doubt this.

TE is defintly a team need, I would like to see us sign Ituli Mili here.

RB expect to pick someone up vis free agency or draft, more likely draft at this late point in the game unless the Shelton for Henry deal gets revived.

FB is good with Hodgins and Ayanbedajo.

O-line according to Green is set, wouldnt be too suprised to see a 3rd rounder or a 2nd day pick going for another Guard. I expect either Shelton or Clement to be gone, meaning the rookie Alan Rueber moves up the depth chart probably.

So only real need would be RB on the offensive side of the ball.

Defense:
LDE - Chike Okeafor, Peppi Zellner, Kyle Vanden Bosch
NT - Russell Davis, Wendell Bryant
UT - Darnell Dockett, Ross Kodziej
RDE - Bertrand Berry, Calvin Pace, Kenny King
SLB - Karlos Dansby, Levar Woods
MLB - Gerald Hayes, Leon Jones
WLB - James Darling, Ray Thompson
LCB - Renaldo Hill, ???
RCB - David Macklin, Tobert Tate
SS - Adrian Wilson, Michael Stone
FS - Ifeanya Ohalete, Quentin Harris

DE - With Okeafor and Berry have 2 solid ends, and lots of relief players backing them up, Figure 2 of the 4 backups may not come back next year, King I think comes back just because he can be used in almost all 4 positions, wether KVB or Zellner come back depends on 2 things, #1 did Calvin Pace listen to DG and do MAJOR weight room training and will he come in hungry this year, if not I expect Pace to be cut leaving the running between Zellner and KVB. Highly doubt any more FA or 1st day picks

DT - Dockett is the man! Davis is servicable, could see us picking up another DT 1st day of the draft 2nd or 3rd round.

LB - Not sure whats going on with Raynoch Thompson, Is he going to be traded, cut, or will he come back hungry and pissed, much like Pace alot will depend on what happens in the off season work outs on where we are with our LB core. Don't think we necissarily need a LB but if all the blue chip CB & RB are gone when we pick #8 and Derrick Johnson is available certainly couldnt complain about taking BPA, however this really isnt a big need so more likely a 2nd day pick.

Safety - Wilson and Ohalete, with the backups are decent, not great, but decent, no real need to search for a player here.

CB - This to me is the biggest team need right now, Renaldo Hill may very well be gone and even if he isnt, I dont think he really is a #1 CB. Very solid #2 and great nickle back, but not a shut down corner. To me this is almost a foregone conclusion that we should and will take a CB with the #8 pick unless all the CB DG likes are gone at #8.


Recap:

TE - Sign Ituli Mili
#8 Pick - CB, Pac-man Jones or Antrel Rolle
#40 Pick - RB, JJ Arrington or Ciatrik Fason
2 3rd rounders - DT & maybe another CB or a Guard.


Thats just how I see it.
 

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There are so many really good potential-type WRs in this draft I'd be shocked if we didn't take one early on day two. Shocked!


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JasonKGME said:
TE - Sign Ituli Mili
#8 Pick - CB, Pac-man Jones or Antrel Rolle
#40 Pick - RB, JJ Arrington or Ciatrik Fason
2 3rd rounders - DT & maybe another CB or a Guard.
:thumbup:

I'd like to see it shake out this way.
 

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I doubt Karl Williams sticks around he was fairly useless last season. I'd expect him to be cut and replaced by a rookie or cheap free agent.

I still don't get all the love for Mili when there are better and younger TEs available. Mili has been nothing more than average his entire career.

We still need a Safety because Ohalete is only serviceable as a back-up and is a well below average starter.

I don't agree about Hill being a solid #2 CB, an average #3 but he really shouldn't be counted on as more than the #4 CB. Even if he is re-signed we need a starter opposite of Macklin.

Otherwise I agree with the rest of your depth chart.
 

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I think Karl Williams was cut in Feb.

R.Hill is not on the team, he's a FA, so the Cards only have 1 reasonable CB right now.

For TE, I'll take any of Mili, Wiggens, Bech.

Add one of the 5 top available CB and the Cards end up with a very good team. Then just draft BPA, making sure you get at least one day 1 RB.

Anyone know how Shipp's rehab is doing? He was injured in preseason (saw it, ugly!). Broken ankle. Did they have to sew any ligments together?

When is he going to be full speed? If he's 100% before the draft, it would be nice to know his current 40 speed. Basicly is he returning to full health and speed or not?
 

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JasonKGME said:
Recap:

TE - Sign Ituli Mili
#8 Pick - CB, Pac-man Jones or Antrel Rolle
#40 Pick - RB, JJ Arrington or Ciatrik Fason
2 3rd rounders - DT & maybe another CB or a Guard.

Thats just how I see it.

Problem is our running game won't scare anyone. We need a #1 back...i.e Henry or with the #8 pick (and crossed fingers).

I think we still have the following holes...

#1 RB
#1 TE
#1 RG or RT (IMO Ross=RG...not a need if Shelton or Clement stay)
#1 MLB
#1, #3 CB
#1 FS

That is six or seven players. I think we still have 3 left in FA and we have 4 picks in the top 100.
 

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Pariah said:
I, for one, am pumped to see Hayes play as a starter in the middle.

I like the intensity from Hayes but he was unable to gain significant playing time from McKinnon and that combined with DG's interest in Hartwell, tells me Hayes may not be ready in 2005.
 

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TheCardFan said:
I think we still have the following holes...

#1 RB
#1 TE
#1 RG or RT (IMO Ross=RG...not a need if Shelton or Clement stay)
#1 MLB
#1, #3 CB
#1 FS

That is six or seven players. I think we still have 3 left in FA and we have 4 picks in the top 100.

I agree.

However, some of these positions (RG & MLB) could be filled by player development.
 

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I like the idea of getting a corner, because that seems to be our greatest need. At this time though I have never seen the Cards sign so many free agents and be so active in free Agency. If they do get Hartwell if will definitly boost the D, however Hayes is not a bad choice at all. The one part I really like about Hartwell is he could be a great quarterback for our defense. Also who better to lead the Defense than somone who has been playing along side of Ray Lewis for the last few years.
 
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AntSports Steve said:
I think Karl Williams was cut in Feb.

R.Hill is not on the team, he's a FA, so the Cards only have 1 reasonable CB right now.

For TE, I'll take any of Mili, Wiggens, Bech.

Add one of the 5 top available CB and the Cards end up with a very good team. Then just draft BPA, making sure you get at least one day 1 RB.

Anyone know how Shipp's rehab is doing? He was injured in preseason (saw it, ugly!). Broken ankle. Did they have to sew any ligments together?

When is he going to be full speed? If he's 100% before the draft, it would be nice to know his current 40 speed. Basicly is he returning to full health and speed or not?

Last week they were interviewing either Rod Graves or Mike Bidwill on FTB and one of the guys asked about Shipp, they said his re-hap was right on schedule, that Shipp was in the weight/training room as one of the 1st guys there every morning, and that he is expected to be 100% by training camp.
 
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TheCardFan said:
Problem is our running game won't scare anyone. We need a #1 back...i.e Henry or with the #8 pick (and crossed fingers).

I think we still have the following holes...

#1 RB
#1 TE
#1 RG or RT (IMO Ross=RG...not a need if Shelton or Clement stay)
#1 MLB
#1, #3 CB
#1 FS

That is six or seven players. I think we still have 3 left in FA and we have 4 picks in the top 100.

#1 MLB, I think Hayes is an upgrade over McKinnon from last year, so dont think we need this.

#1 FS, While Ohelate is not a great FS, I think with the other upgrades and assuming we do something about the CB position that we don't have to replace him.

I think we are only likely to see 1 more quality FA brought in, most likely a TE, other then that we'll just see some depth guys brought in cheap, the rest have to come via draft.
 

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JasonKGME said:
THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT UNDER CONTRACT:

Offense:
LG - Cameron Spikes

Defense:
LDE - Peppi Zellner, Kyle Vanden Bosch
LCB - Renaldo Hill
SS - Michael Stone

re: MLB Leon Joe not Jones
 

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1. We aren't going to be able to fill all our holes via the draft or free agency. There will have to be a couple of situations where our backups step up and take care of business. Which guys (among guys like Blizzard, Anderson, Cantu, Leckey, Wakefield, Sanders & Nelson) will step up and surprise us are hard to determine and therefore will represent questionmarks going into the season that we'll just have to doing a lot of gulping and praying. Not a good thing; but life's a bitch.

2. Do not rule out Rogers (Auburn) among our #8 CB options

3. If Green & Graves were to surprise the world and rank Alex Smith that high and he turns out to the best available guy at #8, I think we'd draft him. But that happened, McCown (and his cap impact - plus or minus) would likely be history.

4. There are some interesting WR options after Round One. (Keep an eye on the Williamson kid).

5. And let's not overlook our need for a return guy - I'm still thinking Sproles in (late) Round 3 or Round 4.

6. Going in to this offseason, I felt our biggest needs were at CB, QB, OL & NT. (We've helped ourselves in 2 of the 4 positions). I think the toughest position to fill through free agency, trade or the draft is nose tackle. I'm still not sold on R Davis as the only guy we have who can occupy 2 blockers up the gut.
 

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JeffGollin said:


3. If Green & Graves were to surprise the world and rank Alex Smith that high and he turns out to the best available guy at #8, I think we'd draft him. But that happened, McCown (and his cap impact - plus or minus) would likely be history.

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.... or send Navarre to the taxi squad....
 

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JasonKGME said:
#1 MLB, I think Hayes is an upgrade over McKinnon from last year, so dont think we need this.

#1 FS, While Ohelate is not a great FS, I think with the other upgrades and assuming we do something about the CB position that we don't have to replace him.

I think we are only likely to see 1 more quality FA brought in, most likely a TE, other then that we'll just see some depth guys brought in cheap, the rest have to come via draft.

Ohalete: 70 Tackles 8 passes defended
Wilson: 80 Tackles 8 passes defended

I think Ohalete is underrated by this board because he didn't have any interceptions. He just needs more time to adjust to a new team and new defensive coordinator.
 

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Duckjake said:
Ohalete: 70 Tackles 8 passes defended
Wilson: 80 Tackles 8 passes defended

I think Ohalete is underrated by this board because he didn't have any interceptions. He just needs more time to adjust to a new team and new defensive coordinator.

Not a fair comparison sayin hes as good as Wilson in the passes defensed category. They play two different positions.

Wilson is the strong safety and plays a lot in a LB type position and is used to rush the QB and in run support. He shouldnt have as many passes defensed as our FS but he does. :shrug: To me that makes Ohalate look even worse.
 

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Recap:

TE - Sign Ituli Mili
#8 Pick - CB, Pac-man Jones or Antrel Rolle
#40 Pick - RB, JJ Arrington or Ciatrik Fason
2 3rd rounders - DT & maybe another CB or a Guard.


Nobdy is giving CB Justin Miller any respect. From everything I read he may be the best cb in college and is a great punt returner.

I would love this draft. Add Darrin Sproles with the Patriots pick( #96) and all of a sudden our offense has speed to burn. Sproles is a type of guy we coould bring in when we wanted to spread the opposing defense out. This offense could reek havoc.
 

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Hayes is totally overrated by the posters on this board. No where else, including with my own eyes, have I seen the rave reviews he gets here. I think the love for him is a homerism, loyalty thing since he's been on the team for awhile.

Sign Hartwell.
 

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KingofCards said:
Hayes is totally overrated by the posters on this board. No where else, including with my own eyes, have I seen the rave reviews he gets here. I think the love for him is a homerism, loyalty thing since he's been on the team for awhile.

Sign Hartwell.

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Shane H said:
Not a fair comparison sayin hes as good as Wilson in the passes defensed category. They play two different positions.

Wilson is the strong safety and plays a lot in a LB type position and is used to rush the QB and in run support. He shouldnt have as many passes defensed as our FS but he does. :shrug: To me that makes Ohalate look even worse.

But then Wilson should have had far more tackles than Ohalete. So Wilson isn't doing his job?

j/k

You should have noticed that my post wasn't serious but was making fun of the "only needs more time" takes.

:D
 
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