Cutler looks like top QB in draft

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SO much for the hype just coming from one "expert"

Let's get something straight right off the mark. This is not a knock against Matt Leinart or Vince Young. This also is not a knock against my colleague and friend Mel Kiper Jr., our ESPN draft scout, who does a terrific job.
However, this I'm pretty sure about: Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt is the best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April.

I am not alone. A bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing during Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala. Some of those even will put out some "negatives" on Cutler deliberately in hopes that he'll drop a little in the draft. It's not going to work.

"It's not even worth trying to downgrade the kid ... hoping he slides," one top personnel director said. "The secret is out."

I have felt for almost a year now that Cutler is the best quarterback prospect, and nothing has changed my mind. If anything, he has even solidified his standing now that I've had the pleasure and benefit of personally seeing him play in the Southeastern Conference.

Cutler was the All-SEC first-team quarterback selected by coaches and the media. He was the preseason pick, too. Heck, he was a first-team All-SEC choice as a redshirt freshman.

You know how difficult that is when you play at Vanderbilt in a conference with many of the nation's heavyweights?

A West Coast scout for one of the NFL's top personnel departments supported this notion in November after he did some cross-checking on the SEC quarterbacks.

"It can't be fun playing quarterback in the SEC," the scout said. "I mean, most of the teams are five and six deep at cornerback -- it's not even close when you compare it to the Pac-10. The speed on defense across the SEC is ridiculous. The defensive coordinators, well, some of them should be coaching in the NFL. Some of them have, in fact. Playing quarterback in the SEC is a task. Playing it well every week is a bigger task."

This scout (remember, a West Coast-assigned personnel man) marveled at Cutler's performance with inferior personnel around him.

"Unbelievably competitive with the physical skills to back it up," the scout said.

Cutler's similarities to Brett Favre are uncanny, except Cutler is far ahead of Favre in the mental aspects of the game at the same career stage. Cutler probably has the strongest arm in this draft. He has moxie. He has a swagger. As Favre did at Southern Mississippi, Cutler had Vandy winning games it had no business winning and competing in games in which the Commodores should have been blown out. As with Favre, his gunslinger mentality will get him in the doghouse with some NFL coach but the upside is way too high to let it bring him down. Oh, he never got his team to a bowl appearance? Neither did John Elway.

"Jay Cutler is special, like Elway and Favre," Bus Cook said.

Cook is supposed to say that. He is Cutler's agent. Oh, he also represents Favre and the Titans' Steve McNair, all three of them good ol' Mississippi men. Don't ask me how Cutler joined that club -- he hails from Santa Claus, Ind. It will be Christmas for any team that lands him.
The Titans, picking third in the draft, could be that team -- if Cutler gets past the New Orleans Saints at No. 2. Titans general manager Floyd Reese has noted that Cutler is a blend of Leinart and Young. He's a terrific pocket passer like Leinart but with much greater arm strength. He's athletic enough to make plays out of the pocket, although Young is certainly a better athlete, just without Cutler's arm strength.

Arm strength is not the only measure of a quarterback, as everyone knows. But it's probably more important in today's NFL than ever before. For instance, defensive coordinators are talking about how tough it is to defend the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger because he can throw it "outside the numbers" so well, meaning he has the arm to deliver the deep outs.
Leinart is clearly smart. Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow, his former USC mentor, talks glowingly of how "everything runs on time" when Leinart is behind center.

Yet, in today's NFL, the clock is running faster than ever once the ball is snapped. The idea that a quarterback has a chance to go through his first, second and third progressions while he drops back is basically a myth. The throwing windows are tighter than ever on about 75 percent of the passes a quarterback must deliver. The RPMs matter in a quarterback's throws. There are some doubts about the ability of Leinart and Young to throw it through those closing windows consistently.

Take Cutler's arm, his smarts, his moxie, his toughness and his athleticism, and you have a pretty good model quarterback. To downgrade him because you see a few errant balls during Senior Bowl week is silly because these guys are working in a strange offense with new receivers.
Put Cutler in USC's offense and Leinart in Vanderbilt's offense the past couple of years and imagine what would have happened.

True, Leinart and Young have much more notoriety and the draft projections have them as the stars of the draft, along with USC running back Reggie Bush. But that's where a lot of people in and out of the NFL go shallow.

Cutler was almost bypassed in college recruiting out of high school before choosing Vanderbilt. That wasn't his fault. Somebody missed. It happens a lot. As I've stated many times, the NFL spends millions of dollars on scouting and still gets it wrong more than 50 percent of the time on quarterbacks. So why would it surprise you that colleges would fare even worse?

One of the best players in Super Bowl XL is Seahawks linebacker Lofa Tatupu, who should have been the hands-down selection for NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. You know how many Division I scholarship offers he had coming out of high school? None.
Yes, it's early to be talking about the draft. But it's Senior Bowl week, and I've almost never been more excited about the draft than I am about the one coming up in April. The complaint last year is that it was a weak top-10 class. This year, it's ridiculously strong. You have three quarterbacks in Cutler, Leinart and Young. You have a future Marshall Faulk type in Bush; his rushing mate LenDale White might be another Jamal Lewis. D'Brickashaw Ferguson could be a future Pro Bowl left tackle. North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams could be another Julius Peppers. Ohio State middle linebacker A.J. Hawk could be another Ray Lewis, and Maryland tight end Vernon Davis could be another Tony Gonzalez.

Yes, I know I'm leaving somebody out.

Don't be shocked if Cutler is the first quarterback taken in the draft. It's not a lock, but Leinart and Young could go behind him. Regardless, I'm not sure that's a negative on either one of those guys, anyway.
In Cutler, maybe we have another Favre or Elway. In Leinart, we might have another Steve Young (minus the athleticism). In Vince Young, he's not Michael Vick fast, but he is 6-5, he is competitive and he is an intriguing prospect.

I'd like to think that there's something for everybody, except there are always busts. I just know the one guy I'd buy stock in right now is Cutler.
 

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"With the tenth overall selection, the Arizona Cardinals take Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt."


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Assface said:
"With the tenth overall selection, the Arizona Cardinals take Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt."


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If he's that good he won't be around at 10...
 

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Its a fine assessment although i feel like its completly predicated on flaw. I'm not trying to act like I know more than these guys who spend there lives studying the NFL but i completly disagree with his sentiments. And i will tell you why.

Yet, in today's NFL, the clock is running faster than ever once the ball is snapped. The idea that a quarterback has a chance to go through his first, second and third progressions while he drops back is basically a myth. The throwing windows are tighter than ever on about 75 percent of the passes a quarterback must deliver. The RPMs matter in a quarterback's throws. There are some doubts about the ability of Leinart and Young to throw it through those closing windows consistently.

Ok I agree that arm strength is nice, but according to this piece Cutler might as well just be one of those fungo machines. Arm strength is number four in my list of what makes a good college QB into a good NFL QB. Heres how i rank them:
1. Brain- breaking down blitz schemes is very very important. his comment about making the second and third reads is a myth probably the most ignorant comment i have ever heard. Its simply not true. I watched the Steelers game and his boy Ben, made read after read after read. You cant win w/o protection undoubtdly (sound familiar cards fans?) and then with that protection you need a QB who can make those reads. Why do you think announcers gush over stats like " hes thrown the ball to eight different recievers" its because hes not barralling down on his first option every time.
2-Accuracy- Lets think about some of the best QB's in the league the last few years: Manning, Brady, Pennington, Palmer, Ben, Hasselbeck, and McNabb (who if you look at his success over the last three years, look at the improvement in his completion percentage) Only Ben and Palmer are known for there dynamic arms. And Palmer is just a freak as he combines unreal accuracy with arm strength (which is what you would want in a perfect world). Farve also combine accuracy and arm strength, but what he lacks in accuracy he makes up for in my other criteria. The other guys all have average to above average arms. Now lets look at some guys with big arms: McCown, Boller, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, David Carr and Daunte Culpepper (who w/o Moss can no longer hide behind his inaccuracy) are all guys who have failed to live up to expectations or need some work after a bad last season. Look at the final four from last weekend. Only Ben is the QB with a big arm and he is accurate too.
3- Leadership- no explanation needed
4-Arm Strength- Important but not an all inclusive requirement
5-Footwork - Tom Brady is the master of this. Just watch him.

"It can't be fun playing quarterback in the SEC," the scout said. "I mean, most of the teams are five and six deep at cornerback -- it's not even close when you compare it to the Pac-10. The speed on defense across the SEC is ridiculous. The defensive coordinators, well, some of them should be coaching in the NFL. Some of them have, in fact. Playing quarterback in the SEC is a task. Playing it well every week is a bigger task."

This scout (remember, a West Coast-assigned personnel man) marveled at Cutler's performance with inferior personnel around him.

"Unbelievably competitive with the physical skills to back it up," the scout said.


Now this paragraph right here makes me pause and think he might be the right guy. Like i said i like that he played at Vandy as a sign of intelligence too. The SEC chews up and spits out good prospects at the QB position and for someone to excel at Vandy is very impressive. I keep hearing one name though in the back of my head: Tim Couch of Kentucky. But supposedly Cutler is more competitive. I amgoing to wait till the combine and then i will make a choice for my cardinals from there. But I think getting hyped about this article is a bad idea, as his main argument is Cutler's arm and there are more important predicators of success..
 

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again, which brings up me asking in the thread about 2 mock drafts why they had cutler going in the 2nd round....i dont get how some see him as 2nd rounder, while others see him #1 QB
 

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Assface said:
"With the tenth overall selection, the Arizona Cardinals take Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt."


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To be sure I have no idea who will be the first QB taken in the draft. I do feel that because Young had the greatest game of his life and maybe any QB's life this month that all the hype is over the top. The scouts will not be fooled when the chips are down. Leinhart will be hard to beat but I can see Cutler easily beating out Young as he is more ready for the pros than Young and should be a starter more quickly. I have watched Cutler a number of times as I watch all the SEC games. He has been under the radar because of who he plays for but to the SEC coaches he is no secret. If he and White are there at #10 I would take Cutler if am thinking two years down the road and beyond. If I want some immediate help this year and perhaps next I take White. At some time the Cards are going to have to think long term and take a QB. Unfortunately Green is not going to think long term as he has no long term if he does not show some big improvement this year.
 

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Leinart and Young will be drafted before Cutler. The top three drafted will be Reggie Bush, Leinart and then Young. I just don't see this changing.
 

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az jam said:
Leinart and Young will be drafted before Cutler. The top three drafted will be Reggie Bush, Leinart and then Young. I just don't see this changing.

I do not see Young going in the top three. Bush-Leinhart or Leinhart-Bush if Houston trades. I see Young as a major project at QB. Not that he want make it but with his background it is going to take a long time for him to learn to play under center, correct his throwing mechanics, not running every other play, and getting used to NFL speed. Those side arm throws will come back in his face in the NFL. I see him in top ten maybe.
 

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az jam said:
Leinart and Young will be drafted before Cutler. The top three drafted will be Reggie Bush, Leinart and then Young. I just don't see this changing.

Seems reasonable, but did any of us predict Big Ben to drop to the Steelers or Aaron Rodgers dropping to th PAckers? At this point in time for their respective drafts, people had each of them listed as prospects to go #1. Things can change.
 

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If Cutler does indeed go before #10 we are going to have our pick of an awfully talented player to be sure.
 

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Cutler will make a Phillip River's type leap into the top ten picks after the Senior Bowl and Combine.
 

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overseascardfan said:
Cutler will make a Phillip River's type leap into the top ten picks after the Senior Bowl and Combine.


He already has, NFL channels Mike Mayock (SP?) has him as the number 1 QB in the draft. I know thats pretty lofty but I think he is as good a draft guru as Big Hair Mel.
 

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and Maryland tight end Vernon Davis could be another Tony Gonzalez.

Like I have said previously. Then take Charlie Whitehurst in the 2nd round.
 

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overseascardfan said:
Cutler will make a Phillip River's type leap into the top ten picks after the Senior Bowl and Combine.
He'll probably be as successful as Rivers has been also.
 

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for a more accurate assessmnet of Culter at the Senior Bowl read this. The second paragraph in the report on the North squads practice is where the write up is. www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm

There is a possibility that the Cutler craze is like what happened when Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf came out. Manning was the consensus #1 pick so people looking to be different made Leaf the chic pick. It cost Manning the Heisman and San Diego millions.

Again it is just a possibility but it has happened before and not just with Manning and Leaf. I guess we'll find out in the fall of 2007.
 

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Ryan Leaf was, and is a head case.

I have seen Cutler play in about a dozen games over his career at Vandy. I will use the Florida/Vandy game this year as the benchmark for what he is capable of. Florida was thoroughly embarassed, at home, by Vandy, and arguably, Jay Cutler was the primary reason. He can flat out play the game and has all of the skills to translate to the NFL. I find the strength of defenses in the SEC argument as a good benchmark to compare him to the others. I think he will be the top skill QB in this draft.
 

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Ryan Leaf was, and is a head case.

I have seen Cutler play in about a dozen games over his career at Vandy. I will use the Florida/Vandy game this year as the benchmark for what he is capable of. Florida was thoroughly embarassed, at home, by Vandy, and arguably, Jay Cutler was the primary reason. He can flat out play the game and has all of the skills to translate to the NFL. I find the strength of defenses in the SEC argument as a good benchmark to compare him to the others. I think he will be the top skill QB in this draft.

But that didn't stop draft guru's and others from running around shouting about how he was going to be a better Pro QB than Manning.
 

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Now he's not only a high first rounder but.....he's now better than Leinart and Young?

This just keeps getting better. The media will have him as the #1 overall pick in a couple more days. Then they'll start with the stories about how everyone's dying to trade their entire draft to get him.

I wish Cutler all the luck in the world and I hope he hires a good agent to look after his money. As for whoever drafts him, I guess some people just never learn. Name the last QB to "rise like a rocket" at the Senior Bowl and actually have a good pro career. Not that Kyle Boller and Philip Rivers haven't been earning their millions.......
 

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He didn't look like the top QB in the draft today.
 

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ajcardfan said:
He didn't look like the top QB in the draft today.

Oh, man. You just accidentally agreed with me. Prepare to get a firestorm of BS rained down upon you. Big mistake.

Don't you realize that Cutler is the best player in the draft????? ESPN said so! Better than Young and Bush, yes he is.
 

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Ed Burmila said:
Now he's not only a high first rounder but.....he's now better than Leinart and Young?

This just keeps getting better. The media will have him as the #1 overall pick in a couple more days. Then they'll start with the stories about how everyone's dying to trade their entire draft to get him.

I wish Cutler all the luck in the world and I hope he hires a good agent to look after his money. As for whoever drafts him, I guess some people just never learn. Name the last QB to "rise like a rocket" at the Senior Bowl and actually have a good pro career. Not that Kyle Boller and Philip Rivers haven't been earning their millions.......

Jason Cambell.......but his career is just starting.
 
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