D-Backs offer Tanaka six years and $120MM

[82CardsGrad]

That would be ideal.

Revenue sharing, a hard cap, and a hard floor.

Basically, the NFL structure

Hard to imagine MLB will survive and thrive over the next decade or so, without some form of the NFL structure... It just can't be all about a handful of teams who are lucky to be owned by dudes who can compete with Buffett and Gates... No bueno...

 

[Dback Jon]

Hard to imagine MLB will survive and thrive over the next decade or so, without some form of the NFL structure... It just can't be all about a handful of teams who are lucky to be owned by dudes who can compete with Buffett and Gates... No bueno...

Yup - I firmly believe that the Parity in the NFL, where any team, with a good front office can be competitive and win championships, is the main reason it is the number one sport these days.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Yup - I firmly believe that the Parity in the NFL, where any team, with a good front office can be competitive and win championships, is the main reason it is the number one sport these days.

Hard to argue.... It's amazing how moving away from the place you were born, raised, lived and worked for the first 37 years of life, can bring clarity and such a different perspective.
All of my closest friends and of course, all of my family still live back east - and when I express my angst with the Yankees, and actually be so bold as to talk down or raise legit criticism against them, it's as if I have committed some type of felony!
I'll admit, 12-15 years ago, I would never have been for a salary cap. However, distance and time have helped me see this sorry situation for what it is... Destructive.

 

[Azlen]

The most difficult part about implementing a salary cap is that both the players and the high spending owners would have to agree to one. I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

[crisper57]

7 year $155 million deal to go to the Yankees. He can opt out after 4 years if he wants. WOW, that is a lot of money.

At least it wasn't the Dodgers.

 

[PDXChris]

At least it wasn't the Dodgers.

I have a feeling his arm will give out sooner rather than later, so I almost wish it were the Dodgers so they would be stuck with that contract.

 

[sfrancis13]

MLB really needs a strong salary cap structure... And, as many know - I grew up and lived the first 40 years or so of my life, as hard core of a Yankee fan as they come. However, MLB has a problem...

Why? That let's the owners put more money in their pockets. This is the unfortunate reality. Bigger pocketed teams can afford to sign guys like this. Smaller market teams, like the Diamondbacks, need to grow players in their farm systems and let them play. You can sign a few free agents, but you need young guys who are cost controllable to round out the budget. Trading away all of them has killed this team for the future.

 

[az jam]

MLB really needs an international draft

What they really need is a salary cap like football. Thee is no parity in baseball, the rich get the best players even if they don't win every year.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Why? That let's the owners put more money in their pockets. This is the unfortunate reality. Bigger pocketed teams can afford to sign guys like this. Smaller market teams, like the Diamondbacks, need to grow players in their farm systems and let them play. You can sign a few free agents, but you need young guys who are cost controllable to round out the budget. Trading away all of them has killed this team for the future.

Let's just say we are miles apart on this topic...

 

[Dback Jon]

Why? That let's the owners put more money in their pockets. This is the unfortunate reality. Bigger pocketed teams can afford to sign guys like this. Smaller market teams, like the Diamondbacks, need to grow players in their farm systems and let them play. You can sign a few free agents, but you need young guys who are cost controllable to round out the budget. Trading away all of them has killed this team for the future.

Small market teams have to catch lightning in a bottle to compete. Draft picks, farm system players are no guarantee to develop into stars, even into solid players.

It is impossible to do without some free agent signings.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Small market teams have to catch lightning in a bottle to compete. Draft picks, farm system players are no guarantee to develop into stars, even into solid players.

It is impossible to do without some free agent signings.

For every Pirate there is a Royal.

 

[PDXChris]

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Yankees separated themselves, but not by a wide margin. The Dodgers, Cubs, White Sox, Astros and Diamondbacks were all involved in the end. According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, all teams that participated in the second round of bidding had to come in above the six-year, $120MM level.

I wonder what our final number was.

 

[DWKB]

The idea that a hard salary cap would facilitate parity in MLB isn't a completely thought out idea IMO. It would just create different dynasties. Trust me, Kevin Towers and Ken Kendrick would not be at the helm of one of them either.


The idea that there is parity in the NFL, hard cap or not, isn't a completely thought out idea either. Been 9 different winners of the WS since 2000, been 9 different winners of the SB since 2000.

Small markets such as Baltimore, Boston, and New York have 7 SBs since 2000.

 

[Gaddabout]

Small market teams have to catch lightning in a bottle to compete. Draft picks, farm system players are no guarantee to develop into stars, even into solid players.

It is impossible to do without some free agent signings.

The D-Backs are solidly in MLB's middle class to be clear (they're not Kansas City), but the distance between them and LA, NY, Bos and Chicago is the distance between ... well, the middle class and the ultra wealthy. They will never out-bid one of those four teams if both teams have the same interest in the player.

 

[devilalum]

Sounds like it came down to a bidding war which makes me wonder what the Towers was doing. At least he didn't lose out on any other players because he pursued this.

 

[Bert]

I always knew if it came down to a bidding war, ofcourse we would lose. That's ok I liked Tanaka but I'm not sure I wanted to go all-in on him. He may well be worth every penny but it's a big risk for a franchise like ours.

 

[crisper57]

Sounds like it came down to a bidding war which makes me wonder what the Towers was doing. At least he didn't lose out on any other players because he pursued this.

KT thought he could sell Tanaka on taking a little less money by selling the D-Backs organization. And the fact that he could be anonymous in the Phoenix market when going out to eat, etc. He also tried to sell him on the fact that he would not have to move his new bride around for spring training and then again when the season started. Except for the 81 away games, they could stay put year round.

All of this is great, and he thinks they were a runner up in the Tanaka sweepstakes, but we still failed to land him when it came down to money.

He thinks they will stand pat with the rotation they have now, maybe giving Bradley those innings instead of trying to land a consolation prize starter. Looks like they will only be players in FA near the trade deadline, if they are still in the race by then.

 

[Dback Jon]

Tanaka to DL

Good thing we didn't sign him

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Tanaka to DL

Good thing we didn't sign him

Couldn't we use guys with 12-4 records?

 

[don7031]

Tanaka pitched once a week in Japan. The Yankees have been trying to ease him into the normal five day rotation. The outing against the Tribe was the first time Tanaka has been asked to pitch on four days rest twice in a row. And now the Yankees are waiting to see if he blew out his elbow.

 

[devilalum]

Tanaka to DL

Good thing we didn't sign him

Just talking to the Dbags caused him to need TJ surgery.

 

[BC867]

Just talking to the Dbags caused him to need TJ surgery.

LOL

 

[AZ Native]

Just talking to the Dbags caused him to need TJ surgery.

If only that were true. From an article dated 7/17/13: "One-third of current MLB pitchers have had Tommy John surgery. Of the about 360 who started the season, 124 share the all-too-familiar triangular scar".

There were 24 TJ surgeries in all of 2013. There have already been 24 this year. It is a league wide problem.

 

[Lefty]

If only that were true. From an article dated 7/17/13: "One-third of current MLB pitchers have had Tommy John surgery. Of the about 360 who started the season, 124 share the all-too-familiar triangular scar".

There were 24 TJ surgeries in all of 2013. There have already been 24 this year. It is a league wide problem.

I read where some are saying pitchers should not be building too much muscle in their arms because this could be the reason of the increased TJ surgeries.

 

[Bert]

I read where some are saying pitchers should not be building too much muscle in their arms because this could be the reason of the increased TJ surgeries.

I think that has a lot to do with it but it extends far past the weight room. I think it all goes back to the developmental level. SOME Little league and high school coaches are running these kids into the ground with no regard for long term effects. Especially if it's a gifted young kid who has a lot of promise. WORK HIM HARDER! You have guys like that idiot who let his player throw over 200 pitches and that happens a lot more often that we dont hear about.

It's not only pitch count. Everyone has a "method" they subscribe to now which is all about torquing your arm in just the right way to get the most movement and velocity, not just people throwing their natural motions and having natural "stuff". Doing all these extra exercises, weight training and other new methods are literally tearing these guys ligaments apart. The evidence is clear.

I mean it's either that or guys arms are just getting weaker which makes no sense.

Another valid argument is the crack down on PED's. The body just doesn't heal the same way when it's not pumped full of growth hormones and steroids like tons and tons of players were doing in the 70's-00's.

I think it's pretty clear that we need to go back to the drawing board on how we develop and train young pitchers.