Dan Williams Update

Cbus cardsfan

Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
21,463
Reaction score
7,632
Of course you don't think it matter if he was a first round pick.
I say that because it's irrelevant to this years' team. The Cards have at least got production from Wells for alot less money than they gave Bradley and monetary cost is what I was basing it on.
And Bradley WAS actually in for two plays last week. Want to wager that Bradley plays as much as the bEaN the rest of the year?
Yes, I'll make that wager. Wells first game back and gets 13 carries ought to be enough :p
Bradley makes 4X as much after his pay cut?
see below

And why is it that Adrian Peterson blows out his knee but still makes it back? Yet Beanie is almost always dinged up. I wish they would hurry up and send Beanie to the guy in Germany already.
Everyone is amazed at AP's recovery. We should have taken him instead of Levi Brown, maybe I'll start a thread on that :D
Wells's salary this year is $700,00 and change. Bradley's is 2.5 mill plus, I think a bonus. According to one site,and I don't kow if it is correct or not, Bradley's cap hit this year is just over 6 mill while Wells's is a little over 1 million.
 

Mulli

...
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2004
Posts
52,529
Reaction score
4,601
Location
Generational
Wells's salary this year is $700,00 and change. Bradley's is 2.5 mill plus, I think a bonus. According to one site,and I don't kow if it is correct or not, Bradley's cap hit this year is just over 6 mill while Wells's is a little over 1 million.
Leshon McCoy!
 

Crazy Canuck

ASFN Icon
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
10,077
Reaction score
0
Wells's salary this year is $700,00 and change. Bradley's is 2.5 mill plus, I think a bonus. According to one site,and I don't kow if it is correct or not, Bradley's cap hit this year is just over 6 mill while Wells's is a little over 1 million.

Bradley's CAP hit was $4M in 2013 before it was re-negotiated down to half.

If he'd been cut it would have cost $4M to cover his pro-rated signing bonus.

P.S. Comparing a guy who's playing out his first contract and a free agent signing is a bit apples and oranges. Neither Beanie's or Stewart's final contributions to this team have been written down in the record books, yet.
 

Cbus cardsfan

Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
21,463
Reaction score
7,632
P.S. Comparing a guy who's playing out his first contract and a free agent signing is a bit apples and oranges. Neither Beanie's or Stewart's final contributions to this team have been written down in the record books, yet.
Agree that it's different but my original point was that the Bradley signing is an embarassment. Yet people seem to give him the benefit of the doubt and think he will somehow become a productive player. At the same time, a guy like Wells, who has performed well and played hurt, constantly gets ripped. For people to think Bradley can all of a sudden and play at even an adequate level doesn't make sense to me. He's had 20 games and is behind Reggie Walker in the pecking order. Bradley is a colossal bust along the lines of Wendell Bryant, only more expensive.
 

conraddobler

I want my 2$
Joined
Sep 1, 2002
Posts
20,052
Reaction score
237
DD disapears at times by design, he gets a lot of double teams, which allows CC to get a lot of glory.

DD can bust through the line at will even a double but he only has gas in the tank to do this so many times, he paces himself as he should, it takes incredible energy to drive through or around an NFL O linemen, a lot can't do it if they try, he can but he can't do this every time he'd be dead by halftime.

He often time picks his spots, usually at a good time to reek havoc.
 

Crazy Canuck

ASFN Icon
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
10,077
Reaction score
0
Agree that it's different but my original point was that the Bradley signing is an embarassment. Yet people seem to give him the benefit of the doubt and think he will somehow become a productive player. At the same time, a guy like Wells, who has performed well and played hurt, constantly gets ripped. For people to think Bradley can all of a sudden and play at even an adequate level doesn't make sense to me. He's had 20 games and is behind Reggie Walker in the pecking order. Bradley is a colossal bust along the lines of Wendell Bryant, only more expensive.

You sound like Yul Brynner in the 10 commandments: "So let it be written, so let it be done".

(You MAY BE right on Bradley, but, you may want to hold off... ;)
 

Arizona's Finest

Your My Favorite Mistake
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Posts
9,709
Reaction score
1
He wasn't brought in to back up Daryl Washington. If the guy is good, don't you think that Horton would find a way to get him on the field?

Which linebacker are you taking off the field? You want him to come in at Safety or DE? Acho, Schofield, Lenon, and Schofield have all arguably this far played the best football of their careers with the sample size being small with Sco, Acho, and Washington.

Bradley played well when he was on the field alot in the preseason and like AJ said I would be comfortable with him coming in if Lenon went down, which based on his age maybe a likliehood at this point.

With FA lean towards the Packers/Steelers philosophy (and less like the Eagles) where we build through the draft and augment through FA. And we have drafted well which we can tell by many of the usual suspects silence on this subject this year.

Granted last year we didnt get our moneys worth out of his 1st year and signing bonus. But now Hes solid depth and at his restrcutred contract makes that much easier to swallow.

Every team makes bad signings all the time. They become more glaring when you are losing. We aren't. So whats the issue? Obviously whiffing on Stewart Bradley hasnt hurt our record thus far and as I detailed above, maybe its bringing out the best in Lenon because his play had been phenonmenol.
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
Which linebacker are you taking off the field? You want him to come in at Safety or DE? Acho, Schofield, Lenon, and Schofield have all arguably this far played the best football of their careers with the sample size being small with Sco, Acho, and Washington.

Bradley played well when he was on the field alot in the preseason and like AJ said I would be comfortable with him coming in if Lenon went down, which based on his age maybe a likliehood at this point.

With FA lean towards the Packers/Steelers philosophy (and less like the Eagles) where we build through the draft and augment through FA. And we have drafted well which we can tell by many of the usual suspects silence on this subject this year.

Granted last year we didnt get our moneys worth out of his 1st year and signing bonus. But now Hes solid depth and at his restrcutred contract makes that much easier to swallow.

Every team makes bad signings all the time. They become more glaring when you are losing. We aren't. So whats the issue? Obviously whiffing on Stewart Bradley hasnt hurt our record thus far and as I detailed above, maybe its bringing out the best in Lenon because his play had been phenonmenol.

Nice take but Bradley, as has been pointed out already, doesn't come in for any of our LBs. So when we do have to take a LB off the field Bradley isn't the guy coming into the game at all which is what K9 is pointing out. Not that Bradley should be playing ahead of any of our top 4. Just that for the money and the hype he should at least be #5.

I don't see anything wrong with bagging on a player when we're winning because it doesn't sound like losers looking for excuses and is more true football talk.
 

Krangodnzr

Captain of Team Conner
Joined
Jul 21, 2002
Posts
36,490
Reaction score
34,466
Location
Charlotte, NC
Well, Warren Sapp, who knows a thing or two about playing D-line in the NFL says DD and Ngata are the two best at their position.

Warren Sapp is an idiot. This is supposed to be persuasive?

I'd put Dockett in Tier 1, just because he's indispensible for the operation of the defense at peak productivity (Exhibit A: the Miami game where he was out).

That being said, Dockett makes things happen for Campbell on Special Teams. When I watched the coaches' tape for the block against Seattle, it was Dockett clearing the hole (putting two linemen on their bellies) for Campbell to jump into/through.

Good points, but we're not necessarily talking about being indispensible. Brandon Mebane is pretty freaking important for Seattle's defense. Justin Smith is light years better than Dockett; I would say he's the most important player to the 49ers despite the more hyped Patrick Willis. Rams without Long? Their defense would be bottom three without him.

All that doesn't mean that he's isn't a Tier 1 defender though. Just food for thought.

None of those players under 1 and 2 are great players or better than Dockett. Long? Please.

Long is a very good pass rusher and is great against the run. Look at his QB hurries, sacks, and QB hits. He's better than Dockett.
 

Mulli

...
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2004
Posts
52,529
Reaction score
4,601
Location
Generational
Long is not great at anything. Sapp is an idiot, but he is more persuasive than you trying to tell me Long is great. Great? Really?
 

Krangodnzr

Captain of Team Conner
Joined
Jul 21, 2002
Posts
36,490
Reaction score
34,466
Location
Charlotte, NC
Long is not great at anything. Sapp is an idiot, but he is more persuasive than you trying to tell me Long is great. Great? Really?

13 sacks last year and he's not great at anything? I'd disagree, and he gives us fits every time we play them.
 

Cbus cardsfan

Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
21,463
Reaction score
7,632
Which linebacker are you taking off the field? You want him to come in at Safety or DE? Acho, Schofield, Lenon, and Schofield have all arguably this far played the best football of their careers with the sample size being small with Sco, Acho, and Washington.

Bradley played well when he was on the field alot in the preseason and like AJ said I would be comfortable with him coming in if Lenon went down, which based on his age maybe a likliehood at this point.

With FA lean towards the Packers/Steelers philosophy (and less like the Eagles) where we build through the draft and augment through FA. And we have drafted well which we can tell by many of the usual suspects silence on this subject this year.

Granted last year we didnt get our moneys worth out of his 1st year and signing bonus. But now Hes solid depth and at his restrcutred contract makes that much easier to swallow.

Every team makes bad signings all the time. They become more glaring when you are losing. We aren't. So whats the issue? Obviously whiffing on Stewart Bradley hasnt hurt our record thus far and as I detailed above, maybe its bringing out the best in Lenon because his play had been phenonmenol.
1. It's pre season, therefore meaningless.
2. He's depth but I don't know about solid. I think the only reason he was kept is because, in a pinch, he can play both inside and outside and guys that were cut, like Sturdivant, could only play one position.
3. I agree. That's why I am not banging on the FO. I think it was terrible signing, and did at the time, but they gave it a shot.

What I am saying is that to expect him to be anything of value is a terrific reach and a leap of faith. He has shown nothing and they even tried him as a pass rusher last year, to no avail. They have tried, numerous ways, to get him on the field and nothing has worked but people still think he can be a productive player :confused:. He is't the first and won't be the last bad signing but let's just call him what he is, a bust, and move on.
 

clif

ASFN Addict
Joined
Aug 17, 2004
Posts
8,967
Reaction score
214
Location
Phoenix, az
Kolb was a terrible signing according to some until sept 9th. Lenon was a terrible signing until he became indispensable. Washington was too small until he became a stud. Beanie was a terrible pick until he rushed for over 1k last year. Ryan Williams was a terrible pick until beanie went on ir. dumpster Dan was a terrible pick until he finally put in the work. Blah blah blah. These huge proclamations where made by people on this board and one time or another.

If you want to continually bash a guy that is a solid depth guy took a pay cut, has kept quiet and not been a distraction all while we are 4-0. Go ahead. But it seems a bit silly in my book.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Cbus cardsfan

Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
21,463
Reaction score
7,632
Kolb was a terrible signing according to some until sept 9th. Lenon was a terrible signing until he became indispensable. Washington was too small until he became a stud. Beanie was a terrible pick until he rushed for over 1k last year. Ryan Williams was a terrible pick until beanie went on ir. dumpster Dan was a terrible pick until he finally put in the work. Blah blah blah. These huge proclamations where made by people on this board and one time or another.

If you want to continually bash a guy that is a solid depth guy took a pay cut, has kept quiet and not been a distraction all while we are 4-0. Go ahead. But it seems a bit silly in my book.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

But those guys all at least saw the field. How can you say Bradley is solid depth? You could just as easily say Mulli and Shane are solid depth and be just as accurate. They play almost as much. But I'd be willing to bet they could pick up the defense faster :).
 

Arizona's Finest

Your My Favorite Mistake
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Posts
9,709
Reaction score
1
Kolb was a terrible signing according to some until sept 9th. Lenon was a terrible signing until he became indispensable. Washington was too small until he became a stud. Beanie was a terrible pick until he rushed for over 1k last year. Ryan Williams was a terrible pick until beanie went on ir. dumpster Dan was a terrible pick until he finally put in the work. Blah blah blah. These huge proclamations where made by people on this board and one time or another.

If you want to continually bash a guy that is a solid depth guy took a pay cut, has kept quiet and not been a distraction all while we are 4-0. Go ahead. But it seems a bit silly in my book.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

:thumbup:
 

Shane

Comin for you!
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
69,068
Reaction score
39,009
Location
Las Vegas
But those guys all at least saw the field. How can you say Bradley is solid depth? You could just as easily say Mulli and Shane are solid depth and be just as accurate. They play almost as much. But I'd be willing to bet they could pick up the defense faster :).

:mulli:
 

Crazy Canuck

ASFN Icon
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
10,077
Reaction score
0
Warren Sapp is an idiot. This is supposed to be persuasive?



Good points, but we're not necessarily talking about being indispensible. Brandon Mebane is pretty freaking important for Seattle's defense. Justin Smith is light years better than Dockett; I would say he's the most important player to the 49ers despite the more hyped Patrick Willis. Rams without Long? Their defense would be bottom three without him.

All that doesn't mean that he's isn't a Tier 1 defender though. Just food for thought.

Long is a very good pass rusher and is great against the run. Look at his QB hurries, sacks, and QB hits. He's better than Dockett.

Warren Sapp is an idiot who played DT in the NFL and has Hall of Fame credentials.

YOU.. are an avid fan, nothing more.

PS: Long is 4-3 D-end... apples and oranges comparison at best.
 

RugbyMuffin

ASFN IDOL
Joined
Apr 30, 2003
Posts
30,485
Reaction score
4,877
I'd put Dockett in Tier 1, just because he's indispensible for the operation of the defense at peak productivity (Exhibit A: the Miami game where he was out).

That being said, Dockett makes things happen for Campbell on Special Teams. When I watched the coaches' tape for the block against Seattle, it was Dockett clearing the hole (putting two linemen on their bellies) for Campbell to jump into/through.

+1

On all points.
 

Crazy Canuck

ASFN Icon
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
10,077
Reaction score
0

You're right, I shouldn't have been so curt.

Should have simply said that given a choice between the informed opinion of someone who played the position and has Hall of Fame credentials, and an avid reader, viewer... I'll go with the so-called... idiot.
 

Mulli

...
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2004
Posts
52,529
Reaction score
4,601
Location
Generational
I am only 6'3" 220. Happy to say I am now too skinny.

But am I the only one who looks at Stewie B and thinks "he looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane."

:notsexist:
 

Forum statistics

Threads
553,644
Posts
5,409,586
Members
6,319
Latest member
route66
Top