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[CardsGuy]

http://azcardinals.com/blog/post.php?author=1&id=1831

 

[CaptTurbo]

I am kind of glad. I am all about keeping playings that make it to the superbowl but I think Dansby is one of the most overrated players since Kwammie Lassiter.

 

[dogpoo32]

Oof. Time to give Q some money.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If the Cards want him, they will have to overpay. They without a doubt overpaid for Kurt, and they will have to do the same with Karlos. 20M guaranteed is what he will get or he wont sign.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

They without a doubt overpaid for Kurt

According to who? Just because you don't agree with what Kurt was paid doesn't make him overpaid...most would say he got exactly what was expected based on his performance.

In regard to Karlos, enjoy your last year as a Card, you just aren't worth breaking the bank for. In the great Steelers tradition I'm sure they'll let somebody else overpay for him.

 

[az1965]

Time to start working on Wilson and Q... I really believe Dansby wants to hit the FA market.

 

[dogpoo32]

According to who? Just because you don't agree with what Kurt was paid doesn't make him overpaid...most would say he got exactly what was expected based on his performance.

Paying a 38 year old for past performance is basically overpaying him.

 

[WildBB]

Dansby also said he was "not even sure (a new contract) is able to get done." He also mentioned the upcoming uncapped year in the NFL and said he could "make a splash" if he was a free agent after 2009.

So much for them reaching some kind of monetary settlement with Wood as well.

 

[WildBB]

Time to start working on Wilson and Q... I really believe Dansby wants to hit the FA market.

And he's welcome to.

 

[dogpoo32]

Time to start working on Wilson and Q... I really believe Dansby wants to hit the FA market.

I like Dansby a lot, but not as much as Q and AW. Making him 3rd man out. If he wants to go back to the back of the line, be my guest.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Paying a 38 year old for past performance is basically overpaying him.

Oh, that's right...it has nothing to do with what they project him to do in the same offense over the next two years, they gave him all that money as a giant thank you and have no expectations of future performance. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[splitsecond]

if this is true, take the axe out and cut him. at least boldin has played his ass off in non-contract years.

i can't wait to see what his ex agent says.

also, doesn't he realize the odds of the uncapped season ACTUALLY happening are extremely slim? sounds like he has been paying too much attention to the panic on the nfl fan boards...

 

[Ryanwb]

I could up-chuck

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Time to start working on Wilson and Q... I really believe Dansby wants to hit the FA market.

Agreed. On all points.

It is frustrating to spend so much time on a player. Hopefully, Graves is smart and will cut off negotiations. Dansby signed his franchise tag, he is on the team for 2009.

I expect an ILB, or LB of some sort be drafted to be his replacement.

On to Wilson and hopefully Q.

 

[anks106]

I kinda wonder, if it does go uncapped.. what stops us from F-tagging him a third time?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

According to who? Just because you don't agree with what Kurt was paid doesn't make him overpaid...most would say he got exactly what was expected based on his performance.

In regard to Karlos, enjoy your last year as a Card, you just aren't worth breaking the bank for. In the great Steelers tradition I'm sure they'll let somebody else overpay for him.

The market for Kurt was between 6-10M per year. This was done by independent GM's/scouts. Kurt is getting what 19M guaranteed the first year? He's 88 years old. I could at least understand if we gave him 19M guaranteed 3 years ago. He was a lot younger then.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt was given the highest amount of guarantees for a 38+ year old player in history.

I have been clear that I wanted Matt to be the leader of the franchise, but I didn't mind Kurt, as long as it was for a reasonable amount. This wasn't.

The Cards appeared to negotiate out of desperation as they were afraid that they were going to lose their fanbase if the didn't resign him. It's no coincidence that they completed Kurts deal BEFORE season ticket renewals came out.

Kurt got exactly what he wanted in negotiations. Fitz got exactly what he want in negotiations. You'd think that Graves was in charge of the NFLPA, the way that he just gives the players whatever they want. What gives Dansby the indication that he has to settle for less than what he wants? Not the Cards.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I kinda wonder, if it does go uncapped.. what stops us from F-tagging him a third time?

He gets top 5 of all salaries in the NFL, something like 16M next year???? That's close to what he is asking for in a long term deal.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Kurt got exactly what he wanted in negotiations. Fitz got exactly what they want in negotiations. You'd think that Graves was in charge of the NFLPA, the way that he just gives the players whatever they want. What gives Dansby the indication that he has to settle for less than what he wants? Not the Cards.

Well you gotta re-sign some players.

If not then it is "1998 all over again".

It is a catch-22 situation, I guess, and there is no action the Cardinals can take in order to seem "compitent".

I am sorry but Dansby is reaching for the stars IMO. He has earned it, and it is his decision.

But 2009, he is a Cardinal. I will worry about it next offseason.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Well you gotta re-sign some players.

If not then it is "1998 all over again".

It is a catch-22 situation, I guess, and there is no action the Cardinals can take in order to seem "compitent".

I am sorry but Dansby is reaching for the stars IMO. He has earned it, and it is his decision.

But 2009, he is a Cardinal. I will worry about it next offseason.

Sure, but I would have rather resigned Boldin, Dansby, Wilson and still had money left over, than resign Kurt at the deal he got.

That's just me.




If they decide to until next year to deal with Dansby, then it is all but certain that they trade Leinart. (hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he cut him and got nothing) They aren't going to give him that huge roster bonus that he is due next year.... not when they gave Kurt all of this money.

 

[Buckybird]

Bottom line is this, Graves and management aren't being proactice in getting deals done. Target guys and get them done!!! The longer we wait in redoing a players deal the more it costs the franchise. The FO blew the Fitz fiasco last offseason, waited too long on Warner and have taken 2 years to get Dansby done and are dealing with a disgruntled WR in Boldin. What next? Matts due a big bonus, Rolle the same and AW is sitting in the background salivating. I'm not saying we need to get everyone done, but can't they get more than 1 problem solved in a offseason? Same thing every season.

Maybe things haven't changed so much in Cardinal land and it pisses me off because this is a very important offseasson. Maybe the biggest ever!!!

I would love to see how much up front $$$ the Cards have spent on players (our own FA's, new FA's and rookies) the last 5 seasons. Joeshmo, bring us some #'s.

Same crap, differant offseason. Who's to blame? management and the players!!!

 

[cardncubfan]

Sure, but I would have rather resigned Boldin, Dansby, Wilson and still had money left over, than resign Kurt at the deal he got.

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+1

 

[Dayman]

Unlike the Warner negotiations, we don't know a lot about the parameters of this deal, so it's difficult to judge. If the FO is offering a contract that would pay him in the top 10 ILB range both annually and in guarantees, I say move on to Wilson. If not, the FO needs to step it up. This constant cycle of players complaining about their contracts has to end. Taking a hardline stance with Dansby could go a long way in that quest. I really like him as a player, but he's not exactly the Larry Fitzgerald of linebackers. There's no reason he should be paid as such.

 

[Buckybird]

Unlike the Warner negotiations, we don't know a lot about the parameters of this deal, so it's difficult to judge. If the FO is offering a contract that would pay him in the top 10 ILB range both annually and in guarantees, I say move on to Wilson. If not, the FO needs to step it up. This constant cycle of players complaining about their contracts has to end. Taking a hardline stance with Dansby could go a long way in that quest. I really like him as a player, but he's not exactly the Larry Fitzgerald of linebackers. There's no reason he should be paid as such.

but they have paid him that way for last season and this year. The $17 mil for the last 2 seasons could have been part of his bonus. Management isn't all to blame but they definately have been a big part of the problem. All of these problems keep us from extending future players. We damn well better draft well (1st, 2nd and 3rd) or this teams success will be short lived.

 

[WildBB]

The market for Kurt was between 6-10M per year. This was done by independent GM's/scouts. Kurt is getting what 19M guaranteed the first year? He's 88 years old. I could at least understand if we gave him 19M guaranteed 3 years ago. He was a lot younger then

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An "88 year old" that guided the team to within 2+ minutes of it's first SB win in history. Not his fault they didn't close it out. He deserves another shot. 6M per is just plain wrong in setting his value. It's 10-11M and that's pretty much what he got. It's not even top 5 QB money. Yes he got all that upfront almost but he had to. He's 88 remember? And he's definately top 5.
Dansby, doubtful. But that's another argument.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt was given the highest amount of guarantees for a 38+ year old player in history.

Probably. Money better spent, then on Edgerrin now.

I have been clear that I wanted Matt to be the leader of the franchise, but I didn't mind Kurt, as long as it was for a reasonable amount. This wasn't.

The team has a window now. The players don't agree with your sentiment , I'd wager.

The Cards appeared to negotiate out of desperation as they were afraid that they were going to lose their fanbase if the didn't resign him. It's no coincidence that they completed Kurts deal BEFORE season ticket renewals came out.

I'm sure it could appear that way. I think they (FO) wanted him back as a short term core player. Whis has stated he definately wanted him back. They both (Whis and Warner) have repeatedly said they want Boldin back. It's all taking shape again. When Anquan signs it will have been well worth it, IMO. They have to give it another shot this coming season. They HAVE TO.

Kurt got exactly what he wanted in negotiations. Fitz got exactly what he want in negotiations

. Kurt got what he needed. A guarantee that they're not just going to cut him loose after one year. Fitz is totally unrelated as his escalators kicked way in and they had no option but to re-do his deal. And lucky they did, when they did. They got a bargain, again. He'd be looking at a bunch more this season. BTW , he didn't have to sign that deal I don't believe. His contract called for him to make like 15-17M last season, so he did them a big favor by signing as far as I know.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The market for Kurt was between 6-10M per year. This was done by independent GM's/scouts. Kurt is getting what 19M guaranteed the first year? He's 88 years old. I could at least understand if we gave him 19M guaranteed 3 years ago. He was a lot younger then.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt was given the highest amount of guarantees for a 38+ year old player in history.

I have been clear that I wanted Matt to be the leader of the franchise, but I didn't mind Kurt, as long as it was for a reasonable amount. This wasn't.

The Cards appeared to negotiate out of desperation as they were afraid that they were going to lose their fanbase if the didn't resign him. It's no coincidence that they completed Kurts deal BEFORE season ticket renewals came out.

Kurt got exactly what he wanted in negotiations. Fitz got exactly what he want in negotiations. You'd think that Graves was in charge of the NFLPA, the way that he just gives the players whatever they want. What gives Dansby the indication that he has to settle for less than what he wants? Not the Cards.

This is so full of hyperbole it's barely worth getting into it with you. 6-10 per for the NFC starter at Pro Bowl and arguably the best QB in football last year is not only inaccurate, it's ridiculous. For some reason you fail to recognize that Warner was the engine that got us to the super bowl. Is it time to trot out your insane "Kurt should be paid the same as Kerry Collins" argument? I'm definitely no Warner jocker, but it's amazing how short sighted certain people can be about this team...luckily Whis is not one of them.


I LOVE how you claim you would have given him 19 million 3 years ago because of his age...clearly age is more important than performance to you, which is all I need to know.

I think it would be ideal if Matt was the leader of the team, but you wishing so won't make it happen. There's a reason he's on the bench, and it's because he has one of the best qb's in football in front of him.


"The Cards appeared to negotiate out of desperation as they were afraid that they were going to lose their fanbase if the didn't resign him. It's no coincidence that they completed Kurts deal BEFORE season ticket renewals came out. "

Uh, yeah...amazing that there is a connection. Most fans are capable of realizing that Warner was a main reason we made the Super Bowl. Of course if we let him go there would be a negative reaction, and the SOC talk.