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[Dayman]

but they have paid him that way for last season and this year. The $17 mil for the last 2 seasons could have been part of his bonus. Management isn't all to blame but they definately have been a big part of the problem. All of these problems keep us from extending future players. We damn well better draft well (1st, 2nd and 3rd) or this teams success will be short lived.

I agree. That's why I believe they have to figure out what they believe he's worth and stick with it. If Dansby's asking price makes it clear the two sides will never agree long term, then concentrate on other players like Wilson and Breaston. Franchising a guy year after year does little for the long term success of this team.

 

[Dayman]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/04/07/20090407spt-cardsdansby.html

Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby doesn't expect his decision to change agents to hinder negotiations for a multiyear contract, and he denied reports that his former agent was close to reaching an agreement with the team.

"Not close, not even close," Dansby said. "That's why I felt there was a need for a change in order to get me a solid deal done that I'm comfortable with, that my family is comfortable with."

Even with a new agent, Dansby is not optimistic a deal can be reached before the start of training camp.

"I'm not sure it's able to get done," he said.

Dansby sounded as if he was looking forward to playing under the one-year franchise label, which guarantees him $9.7 million in salary in 2009 and would make him an unrestricted free agent in 2010.

Under the current collective bargaining agreement, there will be no salary cap in 2010.
"It's an uncapped year next year and I'm mentioned among the better linebackers in the league as far as the guys who are going to be up next year also," Dansby said. "So why not show what I've got? I'm up for the challenge. Make a splash, man."

With no salary cap, there would be no limits on what a team could spend on players. There are risks, however, for players.

In an uncapped year, teams could spend as little as they wanted, too. Each team would be allowed to place a franchise or transition tag on two players, instead of just one, and the Cardinals could retain right of first refusal on Dansby by using one of those tags.

The final eight teams in the playoffs would face additional restrictions in signing free agents.
Dansby fired his agent, Kirk Wood, last weekend, and has spent part of the past few days interviewing agents, he said. Dansby denied that he already had decided to hire Eugene Parker as his new agent.

"He's a great agent and he's done a lot of good things in this league," Dansby said. ""I've been talking to a lot of (players), Takeo Spikes, Calvin Pace. A lot of guys have a lot of good things to say about their agents."

Wood was in Tempe late last week negotiating a new contract with General Manager Rod Graves. According to NFL sources, the two sides had agreed to the framework of a deal that would have paid Dansby about $22 million in guarantees, including $12 million to $14 million in 2009.

Dansby, however, denied that a deal was close.
Under the franchise label, Dansby and the Cardinals have until July 15 to reach a multiyear deal. After that, Dansby cannot sign a new contract until after the 2009 season.

 

[joeshmo]

The longer we wait in redoing a players deal the more it costs the franchise.

I dont think thats true. Regardless a good player is going to get paid and its a catch 22 -

Wait to re-sign a player with 0 to 1 years left and pay him hefty money

OR

Sign them with 2-3 years left on their deal and watch them complain to high heaven they want another new contract 2-3 years later, and have to give them yet another new contract.

Either way if its a good player you are going to be paying regardless, and yes complaining players is a form of paying for it.

 

[joeshmo]

The market for Kurt was between 6-10M per year. This was done by independent GM's/scouts.

Come on, are we really going to use info from GM's and scouts that have a huge agenda with their answers. Agenda being pushing players contracts down or lower the market for Warner and maybe getting a shot at him themselves.

 

[Buckybird]

I dont think thats true. Regardless a good player is going to get paid and its a catch 22 -

Wait to re-sign a player with 0 to 1 years left and pay him hefty money

OR

Sign them with 2-3 years left on their deal and watch them complain to high heaven they want another new contract 2-3 years later, and have to give them yet another new contract.

Either way if its a good player you are going to be paying regardless, and yes complaining players is a form of paying for it.

your right to an extent, but franchising a guy 2 years in a row isn't exactly the cheapest way to go either. If the report above is true to what the Cards offered the guy, dont you think he would have taken that deal last season?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This is so full of hyperbole it's barely worth getting into it with you.

Thanks for doing it anyway.

6-10 per for the NFC starter at Pro Bowl and arguably the best QB in football last year is not only inaccurate, it's ridiculous.

If you say so. I mean, we all know your opinion is worth more than everyone elses.

For some reason you fail to recognize that Warner was the engine that got us to the super bowl.

Not the only reason. Hell, Pendergast was a BIG reason why we made it to the SuperBowl. The way that the defense played in the playoffs was very indicitive to the way that he coaches, and yet, he was let go. Food for thought.

Is it time to trot out your insane "Kurt should be paid the same as Kerry Collins" argument? I'm definitely no Warner jocker, but it's amazing how short sighted certain people can be about this team...luckily Whis is not one of them.

Would you rather we talk about how good St. Pierre is?

I LOVE how you claim you would have given him 19 million 3 years ago because of his age...clearly age is more important than performance to you, which is all I need to know.

No, I didn't claim that I would. I claimed it would have made more sense.

I think it would be ideal if Matt was the leader of the team, but you wishing so won't make it happen. There's a reason he's on the bench, and it's because he has one of the best qb's in football in front of him.

So we both think the same thing, but your hostile to me while having the same opinion? Interesting.

Uh, yeah...amazing that there is a connection. Most fans are capable of realizing that Warner was a main reason we made the Super Bowl. Of course if we let him go there would be a negative reaction, and the SOC talk.

It would also take the myopic view that with Kurt, anything is possible. Hell, I think Whiz was more instrimental in our SuperBowl run that Kurt.

 

[joeshmo]

I kinda wonder, if it does go uncapped.. what stops us from F-tagging him a third time?

Not even an option. Tagging a player for a third time means you have to pay them as a top 5 QB. I dont care if its uncapped or not there is no way the Cards will tag Dansby for a third time at that price tag. The only thing uncapped would mean for the Cards is that they may be more inclined to tag him and trade him only because the 16+mill price tag wont hinder them from signing other free agents because there is no cap of course.

 

[joeshmo]

also, doesn't he realize the odds of the uncapped season ACTUALLY happening are extremely slim?

Says who?

They barely signed an actually NFLPA leader and havent even started to negotiate a new deal yet. It took 1 year and a half to get the last one done. The odds are very high that there will be an uncapped year in 2010, in fact all signs point to it happening as of today and there isnt a single indicator out there that says otherwise.

 

[gamebird98]

http://azcardinals.com/blog/post.php?author=1&id=1831

 

[joeshmo]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/04/07/20090407spt-cardsdansby.html

Its time we just stop negotiating with him. It is very clear he has no intentions of re-signing and is like a fat kid in a candy store salivating over being a free agent.

We can offer him exactly what he wants and he will still want to be a free agent and see what sort of what he calls "splash I can make".

 

[joeshmo]

If the report above is true to what the Cards offered the guy, dont you think he would have taken that deal last season?

Nope.

Just read Dansbys comments. The guy cant wait to be a free agent, no matter what we offer thats Dansbys goal, not signing a long term deal.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If you say so. I mean, we all know your opinion is worth more than everyone elses.

Mature, especially coming from a mod. My opinion is at least based in reality, and supplemented by that of many that know far more than me. I think I'll take the opinion of those who work in the league and think he's worth at least 10 per, over that of your brilliant 6-10 per suggestion.

Not the only reason. Hell, Pendergast was a BIG reason why we made it to the SuperBowl. The way that the defense played in the playoffs was very indicitive to the way that he coaches, and yet, he was let go. Food for thought.

Where did I once indicate only reason? Stop making things up. Followed up by more ridiculous hyperbole, comparing Pendy's impact on the team to Warner, the d-coordinator who gave up the 4th most points in the NFL to the starter in the Pro Bowl.

Would you rather we talk about how good St. Pierre is?

The St. Pierre card...well played, especially because I have never mentioned him once. It's still funny after the 2,000,000th time. Oh and that's hilarious too, get it, more hyperbole?!?

I'll end it at that...no need to waste my time any further.

 

[Buckybird]

Nope.

Just read Dansbys comments. The guy cant wait to be a free agent, no matter what we offer thats Dansbys goal, not signing a long term deal.

You're probably right about him playing out this year, but I still think he would have signed if he was offered that deal last season or the season before.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

IMO Dansby is overrating himself, is is a good player NOT a GREAT player...

 

[Mitch]

Call the Dansby situation what it is right now: a stalemate. The Cardinals franchised him knowing they basically have this year to negotiate a long term deal, otherwise $16M to f-tag him again next year is out of the question. Dansby fired his agent because he basically has no intention at this point to re-negotaite with the Cardinals...he said it himself today to Darren Urban when he alluding to making "a splash" in free agency next year in a capless year.

It is what it is. This year is Dansby's last year with the Cardinals.

One thing is for sure, however. If Dansby is going to make the splash he wants, he is going to have to play at a very high level this year, so he should be supremely motivated.

The question is: are the Cardinals willing to accept this as Dansby's last year? Or will they be interested in putting him on the trading block to see what could be had for him this year?

IMO, the Cardinals have been eager to re-sign Dansby to clear up added cap space, not only to pave the way for the draft but to sign a couple more free agents. Check out this list of free agents still available:

RBs: Tatum Bell, Warrick Dunn, Rudi Johnson, Deuce McAllister, Dominic Rhodes.

Offensive linemen: C Melvin Fowler, G Adrian Jones, T Jon Runyan, T Mark Tauscher, G Pete Kendall (please don't make this a Kendall thread!...just saying...)

Defensive Line: Kevin Carter, Ebenezer Ekuban, La'Roi Glover, Tank Johnson, Jerome McDougle, Jason Taylor, Josh Thomas, John Thornton, Darwin Walker.

Linebackers: Derrick Brooks, Roosevelt Colvin, Tyjuan Hagler, Napoleon Harris, Freddy Keiaho, Willie McGinest, Zach Thomas, Marcus Washington.

Secondary: S Mike Brown, S Keith Davis, S Rodney Harrison, FS Kevin Kaesviharn (who could be the nickel FS the Cardinals need), CB Ty Law, CB Ken Lucas, CB Chris McAlister, CB Justin Miller (good KO returner...5 career TDs), S Lawyer Milloy, CB Keiwan Ratliff, CB Lewis Sanders.

For Dansby's $9M the Cardinals could actually acquire a handful of these players. How would the quintet of DT La'Roi Glover, DE Jason Taylor (or Roosevelt Colvin), LB Zach Thomas (or Marcus Washington), CB Justin Thomas (KO returner), and FS Kevin Kaesviharn (nickel FS) sound?

Without the chance of re-signing Dansby, the Cardinals will have to find other ways to create cap space, and they likely will have to alter their draft plans in order to draft Dansby's replacement.

 

[jefftheshark]

Perhaps the only way the FO could figure out a way to keep Karlos motivated was to have him continuously play in a contract year.

JTS

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Mature, especially coming from a mod. My opinion is at least based in reality, and supplemented by that of many that know far more than me. I think I'll take the opinion of those who work in the league and think he's worth at least 10 per, over that of your brilliant 6-10 per suggestion.

We have different opinions. You took mine personally for some reason.

Where did I once indicate only reason? Stop making things up. Followed up by more ridiculous hyperbole, comparing Pendy's impact on the team to Warner, the d-coordinator who gave up the 4th most points in the NFL to the starter in the Pro Bowl.

I never did either. You replied 'engine' which shows you think that he is the main reason. I disagree. I'm not making anything up. I'm going by what you said.

Pendy's impact on the team was definitely there during the Superbowl run, if you want to acknowledge it or not.

The St. Pierre card...well played, especially because I have never mentioned him once. It's still funny after the 2,000,000th time. Oh and that's hilarious too, get it, more hyperbole?!?

I didn't say that you did mention him. Ugh.

I'll end it at that...no need to waste my time any further.

If we can't have a difference of opinion without it becoming personal, then yeah. Waste of time.

 

[joeshmo]

You're probably right about him playing out this year, but I still think he would have signed if he was offered that deal last season or the season before.

Fair enough. Its all just speculation anyways from both of us so we will never actually know.

 

[binkar]

I think it's clear Dansby doesn't want to be a Cardinal. We are months away from training camp and he says he doesn't think a deal can get done before then. Just as the sides were getting closer (a deal may not have been close, but the fact that the team and his agent were talking is at least some sort of progress), the guy gives his agent the axe. He repeatedly has said he is excited for the uncapped year (he is so stupid it makes me sick), like teams are just going to throw undeserved money at him and pay him way over what he is worth.

Is Dansby a good player? Yes. But he is obviously wanting more than he is worth IMO so there isn't much you can do. It's a lose, lose. Either pay too much or lose a good player.

 

[john h]

Oof. Time to give Q some money.

Dansby is by far a greater need than Boldin. Good players do not come cheap. I do not think the guy is overrated. I think he is the best player on our team on the defensive side of the ball. Defenses are built around guys like Dansby whether you like him or not. He does come to play when the game starts. When you lose him you just do not find a quick replacement in the draft. I think he is the most important thing on our plate at the moment and that includes the draft.

 

[john h]

According to who? Just because you don't agree with what Kurt was paid doesn't make him overpaid...most would say he got exactly what was expected based on his performance.

In regard to Karlos, enjoy your last year as a Card, you just aren't worth breaking the bank for. In the great Steelers tradition I'm sure they'll let somebody else overpay for him.

No one is ever really overpaid when a deal is struck. When you have a willing buyer and a willing seller who have a meeting of the minds then no matter how much is paid can you say the player is over paid. At the end of the season you may make that statement but not when the deal is first consumated.

 

[Perfectionist]

Greed, is all it is. Play him hard this year, he has to excel or, or his value goes down.
If you can find a great deal, trade him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Greed, is all it is. Play him hard this year, he has to excel or, or his value goes down.
If you can find a great deal, trade him.

Unfortunately, we had a scenerio like this in the past, and we let him walk. (Big)

 

[Buckybird]

Unfortunately, we had a scenerio like this in the past, and we let him walk. (Big)

and we may have another...Q

 

[dreamcastrocks]

and we may have another...Q

Very true. Although we have at least another 2 years with Q.