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Cardinals Player Cited for Improperly Carrying Gun



January 24th, 2007 @ 6:24pm


by KTAR Newsroom


A player for the Arizona Cardinals got in a little trouble with the law.

Around 2 a.m. Friday, a Gilbert police officer pulled Karlos Dansby over for going 10 miles over the speed limit and not having a license plate.
Sgt. Andrew Duncan said the officer asked if Dansby had a gun. Dansby said yes, but that gun was not in a holster and not in the glove compartment. That's illegal.
"It's a rather technical manner of how to carry a gun properly within a vehicle, and the law is very cumbersome and not everyone understands it," he said.
Duncan stressed that Dansby was polite and cooperative through the whole traffic stop.
"He did state, up front, that he did have a gun in there and unfortunately, he didn't have it stored in the vehicle as the law requires and he was issued a citation at the scene for improperly carrying that gun," said Duncan. Dansby now has a court date on a misdemeanor weapons charge.
 

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I see nothing wrong with what he did. As a matter of fact the police department seems to think the same. I know here in Oregon if you have a fire-arm registered in your name and have a license for a concealed fire-arm, 9 times out of 10 the police are going to ask if you are packing. Don't blame them a single bit either.
 

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Sounds like a brain fart on Dansby's part. Let's hope this is the end of it.
 

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Judging from the newscasts I watch when I'm in Phoenix I don't blame Dansby one bit for carrying a gun.

Of course I'm from Texas where they check you for guns as you enter a bar and if you're not packing they loan you one.
 

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This sounds like more of a Bears infraction. And if shots were fired it be more of a Chargers infraction. No booze, pot, or underage girls, so I'm not sure if the Bengals would be interested.
 

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This sounds like more of a Bears infraction. And if shots were fired it be more of a Chargers infraction. No booze, pot, or underage girls, so I'm not sure if the Bengals would be interested.

Yeah, he's a piker to the Bengals. They'd throw him back and keep fishing for the real bad boys. ;)
 

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This sounds like more of a Bears infraction. And if shots were fired it be more of a Chargers infraction. No booze, pot, or underage girls, so I'm not sure if the Bengals would be interested.

:biglaugh:
 

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Its just the wierd way AZ law is written regarding a gun in a vehicle. You can have one as long as its in a holster or in the glove box. Barely anyone gets that, b/c what's the point? Anyway, its not like Dansby is a prohibited possessor or on probation or anything else. They'll probably offer him a deferred prosecution where it doesn't ever even go on his record. He buys a crappy little holster at walmart and tomorrow he can drive around with his gun and he's completely legal. The main thing this incident tells us, is Dansby is a decent citizen, played straight with the cops all the way through and didn't even get mad when he realized he was getting cited for something stupid. Not Bengals material.
 

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Its just the wierd way AZ law is written regarding a gun in a vehicle. You can have one as long as its in a holster or in the glove box. Barely anyone gets that, b/c what's the point?
It probably has to do with the availability of the gun and road rage problems. If it's right by your side and you are pissed you won't have as much time to realize that you are about to do something incredibly stupid. If you have to get the gun out of the glove box or holster you may think twice. Plus, I would consider a person with an unholstered gun right by their side more of a threat than a person who had a gun holstered.
 

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I am more suspicious about the lack of a plate than the possession of a gun.
 
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Its just the wierd way AZ law is written regarding a gun in a vehicle. You can have one as long as its in a holster or in the glove box. Barely anyone gets that, b/c what's the point? Anyway, its not like Dansby is a prohibited possessor or on probation or anything else. They'll probably offer him a deferred prosecution where it doesn't ever even go on his record. He buys a crappy little holster at walmart and tomorrow he can drive around with his gun and he's completely legal. The main thing this incident tells us, is Dansby is a decent citizen, played straight with the cops all the way through and didn't even get mad when he realized he was getting cited for something stupid. Not Bengals material.
I always thought that (in Arizona) if you were carrying the gun in the glove box that was considered a concealed weapon, thereby requiring a concealed weapons permit. Wheareas a weapon in plain sight was legal without permit.

Is that not true?

Btw, re: Dansby - amounts to nothing...
 

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I always thought that (in Arizona) if you were carrying the gun in the glove box that was considered a concealed weapon, thereby requiring a concealed weapons permit. Wheareas a weapon in plain sight was legal without permit.

Is that not true?

Btw, re: Dansby - amounts to nothing...

I'm not sure about the glove box. I had heard before that the gun was alright in there and the article sure seems to say that, but don't rely on me and get arrested over it. I am sure about the holster part.
 

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It probably has to do with the availability of the gun and road rage problems. If it's right by your side and you are pissed you won't have as much time to realize that you are about to do something incredibly stupid. If you have to get the gun out of the glove box or holster you may think twice. Plus, I would consider a person with an unholstered gun right by their side more of a threat than a person who had a gun holstered.

I agree this was probably the thought behind it but if youre going to have your gun right there with you albeit in a holster, and you suddenly decide its time to shoot and drive, seriously, are we talking one extra second? Maybe not even that long. Still seems very silly to me.
 

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It's been awhile since I lived in Arizona, but when I was there, you simply had to keep the gun in plain sight when driving, like on the dashboard. Like the Texas poster mentioned, you could bring a gun into a bar, but had to check it at the door or with the bartender. Not sure if that has changed.
 

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Why would the office ask him if he had a gun? Did the officer see the gun first? Why not put it under the seat? Would the officer have searched the car because he was speeding? Interesting.
 
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quick note: I am not saying it is a bad thing i just thought it would be funny.

It sounds like he did absolutley nothing wrong.
 

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Pretty funny how the world works. I get firearms training regularly and carry one from time to time in the course of my employment. However, if I got pulled over and was cited for something like this everyone I work with would call my actions stupid and irresponsible and they would wonder what in the heck I was doing out at 2am. I'd probably get my sercuity clearance revoked (or reduced) and I might lose my job. The Constitution protects my right to own and carry firearms just as it protects my right to drink alcohol but just as I cannot drink and drive (beyond certain restrictions) I cannot "pack heat" and drive (beyond certain restrictions). There would be an investigation of mitigating circumstances, I'm sure, but the bottom line is that being out at 2am, presumably after a night of drinking (or otherwise partying), and breaking a couple of laws (speeding and the gun thing) is a pretty good indicator that you're not behaing in a manner that might be consistent with (in my case) a professional military officer. And from there it'd be a judgement call as to whether my past history indicated a trend of risky behavior. Even if I got off I'd be on "super secret double whammy walk-the-line probation" where ANY misstep would be my last. I don't think the NFL has anywhere close to the moral/ethical/legal regulations as the US military, but it makes it harder to cheer for a guy who (in my eyes) might be going a down a path of self-destruction. Hopefully Edge or some of the other vets gives Karlos a call and tells him not to make a habbit of this stuff, especially if you're fighting for a contract!!!!!
 

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Pretty funny how the world works. I get firearms training regularly and carry one from time to time in the course of my employment. However, if I got pulled over and was cited for something like this everyone I work with would call my actions stupid and irresponsible and they would wonder what in the heck I was doing out at 2am. I'd probably get my sercuity clearance revoked (or reduced) and I might lose my job. The Constitution protects my right to own and carry firearms just as it protects my right to drink alcohol but just as I cannot drink and drive (beyond certain restrictions) I cannot "pack heat" and drive (beyond certain restrictions). There would be an investigation of mitigating circumstances, I'm sure, but the bottom line is that being out at 2am, presumably after a night of drinking (or otherwise partying), and breaking a couple of laws (speeding and the gun thing) is a pretty good indicator that you're not behaing in a manner that might be consistent with (in my case) a professional military officer. And from there it'd be a judgement call as to whether my past history indicated a trend of risky behavior. Even if I got off I'd be on "super secret double whammy walk-the-line probation" where ANY misstep would be my last. I don't think the NFL has anywhere close to the moral/ethical/legal regulations as the US military, but it makes it harder to cheer for a guy who (in my eyes) might be going a down a path of self-destruction. Hopefully Edge or some of the other vets gives Karlos a call and tells him not to make a habbit of this stuff, especially if you're fighting for a contract!!!!!
Forgive me if I misunderstand you but how does this equate to Dansby? The article leaves a lot to the imagination.

First- the whole plate thing: was it missing a front plate, back plate, both plates. It doesn't really say and alot of drivers don't want a front plate and will not put one on until told to do so. Stupid yes, but hardly anything to make a judgement on Dansby.

Second-The officer asked him if he had a firearm and Dansby was curtious and forth coming about having a firearm. He made a poor judgement call and it also seemed as if the Gilbert police department accepted the fact the gun carrying law is hard to understand. If the police department is understanding why shouldn't we? I hardly think the Gilbert officer that pulled him over went "oh my gosh, this is a Cardinal player I better take it easy on him".

Third- There is no mention of alcohol so why bring it up?

Fourth- The officer must have been pretty confortable with Dansby's candor and sited him then let him go on his merry way.

Fifth- You get firearm training so my guess is you probably know the laws better than the average person (as well as being in the military and understanding the consequences of making a bonehead mistake). Basically you have no excuse as to why you were carrying a firearm illegally. I know here in Oregon if I carry my firearm in a vehicle it cannot be load and readilly available.
 

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Why would the office ask him if he had a gun? Did the officer see the gun first? Why not put it under the seat? Would the officer have searched the car because he was speeding? Interesting.

It didn't mention where the gun was. It could have been under the seat. I think it's common for an officer to ask about a weapon when there is no plate as that's usually an indicator of a stolen vehicle.
 

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they way things are these days i'm actually surprised that there wasn't any alcohol or drugs seeing that he was pulled over at 2am.
 

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