Dansby

[Zona_T6]

I've been wondering. I know Karlos Dansby is a FA at the end of this season, and I know he's got the franchise tag for the last two years. My question is what kind of money is he looking for during how much time?

 

[OmeneX]

That's the 8 to 10million dollar question concerning Dansby IMO. He's probably also looking for a 3year minimum & 20+ guaranteed or something.

 

[Zona_T6]

Why wouldnt the Cards pay him, he's there best tackler and LB is their biggest hole. Dansby is a franchise type of guy, and he seems to be a contributor on and off the field. Why not pay him?

 

[Shane]

Why wouldnt the Cards pay him, he's there best tackler and LB is their biggest hole. Dansby is a franchise type of guy, and he seems to be a contributor on and off the field. Why not pay him?

The Cards have tried to pay him. He wants to much money.

 

[BigDavis75]

The Cards have tried to pay him. He wants to much money.

Well if the cap isn't an issue and we have a ton of revenue rolling in from the new stadium and our recent success, I don't see what the problem is.

 

[Zona_T6]

has there been any word if another team has offered what he wants? And if not, would he settle for less with Arizona?

 

[Shane]

Well if the cap isn't an issue and we have a ton of revenue rolling in from the new stadium and our recent success, I don't see what the problem is.

You dont just a pay a guy whatever he wants 75. If you cant see that you couldnt see the forest through the trees.

No salary cap is irrelevant to smart business. There will be a cap after 2010 you can bet on that. Just paying Dansby whatever he wants would be just plain silly.

Have you even bothered looking at the list of players that need to be taken care of? Much less all the ones bitching about their contracts too?

 

[OmeneX]

Well if the cap isn't an issue and we have a ton of revenue rolling in from the new stadium and our recent success, I don't see what the problem is.

We pay him w/e he wants then we set a precedence that some other players (read DD and Q) are gonna want a piece of that action likewise. Not that any of them don't deserve it, but we just can't and shouldn't pay out the butt for. Especially when the cap returns, which it will. It's gonna be an interesting year to say the least.

 

[Zona_T6]

that being said about the precedence of making inflated signings, will Dansby come back and settle for less if no other team wants to pay him what he wants?

 

[OmeneX]

that being said about the precedence of making inflated signings, will Dansby come back and settle for less if no other team wants to pay him what he wants?

I seriously doubt no other team will not want him, and I'm pretty sure some teams out there will pay him what he wants if not very close to it. All signs point to him leaving the team unless we match the best offer he gets somewhere else. But yeah, I think he would play for less (1 year contract) if for some reason no one ponies up.

Looking foward to seeing some possibly outrageous contracts during this offseason.

 

[BigDavis75]

We pay him w/e he wants then we set a precedence that some other players (read DD and Q) are gonna want a piece of that action likewise. Not that any of them don't deserve it, but we just can't and shouldn't pay out the butt for. Especially when the cap returns, which it will. It's gonna be an interesting year to say the least.

Irrelevant, different situations. They both have time left on their contracts and will be dealt with in time.

 

[BigDavis75]

You dont just a pay a guy whatever he wants 75. If you cant see that you couldnt see the forest through the trees.

No salary cap is irrelevant to smart business. There will be a cap after 2010 you can bet on that. Just paying Dansby whatever he wants would be just plain silly.

Have you even bothered looking at the list of players that need to be taken care of? Much less all the ones bitching about their contracts too?

You also don't severely weaken your team at an important spot over a few million, you should at least know that. Which of our FAs, to you, is more important than Dansby right now? You just don't throw away excellent defensive players like Dansby on a defense that is already very suspect. If the cap coming back is the problem, I assume we could work around that and load a few extra million in this year and make the deal more cap friendly when the cap actually does come back.

I honestly don't know the numbers being thrown around. What is Dansby asking for and how would that compare to what you think a player at his position and skill is worth?

 

[Zona_T6]

I just don't see the logic in letting a player walk for a number of reasons.

1.) He is a franchise type player.
2.) He is one of the top 3 on their defense.
3.) He is playing the position we are weakest at.
4.) The other FA's out there at LB are not as strong, Dansby is likely in the top 3 LB's out in FA.

Money being the issue, I do agree that you can't overpay somebody. But realistically, without Dansby, they have no strong, reliable LB.

 

[Shane]

You also don't severely weaken your team at an important spot over a few million, you should at least know that. Which of our FAs, to you, is more important than Dansby right now? You just don't throw away excellent defensive players like Dansby on a defense that is already very suspect. If the cap coming back is the problem, I assume we could work around that and load a few extra million in this year and make the deal more cap friendly when the cap actually does come back.

I honestly don't know the numbers being thrown around. What is Dansby asking for and how would that compare to what you think a player at his position and skill is worth?

We have been over it many times on this board with Joeshmoe . Dansby is asking for guaranteed money in the range of an elite pass rusher. Something he isnt and NEVER has been. IIRC correctly the team stated that they were offering a contract similar to a Lofa Tatupu but HIGHER who is a an ILB with a similar production level. Yet Dansby and his camp scoffed at it.

Dansby isn't an elite pass rusher nor should he be payed like one. It is proven many times over that ILB in the 3-4 system is the easiest position to fill via the draft.

 

[OmeneX]

Irrelevant, different situations. They both have time left on their contracts and will be dealt with in time.

Hey you and I both know that they are locked into their contracts. But you have read that both of them want NEW contracts? They will most deff make an issue of Dansby getting a massive new contract because of an uncapped year. Which was all the point was really in mentioning their names. Nevermind the actual players who's contracts are indeed up.

Of course we hold them (Q & DD) to their contracts, that's not the issue @ hand. But it's not irrelevant in the least. However, going by the reason of this thread, if you are going to pay Dansby large sums of cash *because* it's an uncapped year you could make the stretch to say why not take care of your other stars if your going to just start handing out the monies. They for sure will be saying as such. Other NFL players are gonna be doing the same.

Anyways, yeah. No one in their right mind on this board wants to just throw away Dansby and it has been known that we did offer him a good sized contract which he refused. He is worth near the money he's asking for, it's just that it's hard to pay him that amount when considering the rest of the team.

One sticky problem is no one knows what the cap will be when it does return, so it's smart to play with amounts of money the team is familiar with.

 

[OmeneX]

We have been over it many times on this board with Joeshmoe . Dansby is asking for guaranteed money in the range of an elite pass rusher. Something he isnt and NEVER has been. IIRC correctly the team stated that they were offering a contract similar to a Lofa Tatupu but HIGHER who is a an ILB with a similar production level. Yet Dansby and his camp scoffed at it.

Dansby isn't an elite pass rusher nor should he be payed by one. It is proven many times over that ILB in the 3-4 system is the easiest position to fill via the draft.

QFT. I *wish* Dansby was an elite pass rusher.

 

[OmeneX]

I just don't see the logic in letting a player walk for a number of reasons.

1.) He is a franchise type player.
2.) He is one of the top 3 on their defense.
3.) He is playing the position we are weakest at.
4.) The other FA's out there at LB are not as strong, Dansby is likely in the top 3 LB's out in FA.

Money being the issue, I do agree that you can't overpay somebody. But realistically, without Dansby, they have no strong, reliable LB.

All 4 points agreed. So the remedy is to match whatever amount he asks for or that another team shows him? Then what about everything and everyone else on the team? All I can say as a fan is I'm sure we could pay him. What I'm not so sure about is what we would have left for the team after. And the team is priority in my mind, most of all the defense, which would yes be one short of a good player if he left. However, we would have alot more money to possibly play with. 3 Linebackers for his cost possibly. Which with hope could match or come close to his production, and just maybe have a better return in other areas. Namely pash rush. Rest time and depth would be a boon to. "shrug" Yes, it amounts to a gamble, but at least in this scenario we would have 3 shots at it, and not cause an uproar in the locker room about monies being handed out.

 

[OmeneX]

IIRC & FYI Dansby made 9+ million this season with the Franchise tag. That's a truck load.

 

[Second Deck]

To me this team needs to find some way to make Dockett happy. He has been by far the best player on the DLine. I would also take care of Q if possible but am not sure what kind money he is asking for. Dansby would be third on my list.

 

[joeshmo]

To me this team needs to find some way to make Dockett happy. He has been by far the best player on the DLine. I would also take care of Q if possible but am not sure what kind money he is asking for. Dansby would be third on my list.

I have come to the conclusion that you will never be able to make Dockett happy. He will sign a contract this year and be unhappy about it the following year when the nextbig time DT gets a new contract and it trumps his. Thats just what guys like Dockett do, and has proven as such by talking about spefici players contracts that are not better then him, and complaining about his last extension only 9 months after he signed it.

Again Dockett will never be happy about his contract. All you can do is make sure he is under contract and just let him be unhappy about it.

 

[joeshmo]

We have been over it many times on this board with Joeshmoe . Dansby is asking for guaranteed money in the range of an elite pass rusher. Something he isnt and NEVER has been. IIRC correctly the team stated that they were offering a contract similar to a Lofa Tatupu but HIGHER who is a an ILB with a similar production level. Yet Dansby and his camp scoffed at it.

Dansby isn't an elite pass rusher nor should he be payed like one. It is proven many times over that ILB in the 3-4 system is the easiest position to fill via the draft.

Yep he was offered a deal very similar to the ones other highly thought of ILB have recieved over the last two years. Tatupu and Bart Scott. I was told it was very similar to Bart Scotts with a slightly lower gauranteed portion, but they made up for it by making it easier to get the gauranteed money by making more of it a signing bonus compared to Scotts deal who wont see more then half of his gauranteed money until year two of his deal.

Scotts deal - Signed a six-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $22 million guaranteed, including a $3.5 million signing bonus and Scott's first two base salaries. 2009: $4.5 million, 2010: $3.85 million (+ $10 million option bonus), 2011-2013: Under Contract, 2014: "Dummy Year,"

So with that my guestimate as to what he was offered was 6 years 48 mill, 18to 20 mill gauranteed.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Yep he was offered a deal very similar to the ones other highly thought of ILB have recieved over the last two years. Tatupu and Bart Scott. I was told it was very similar to Bart Scotts with a slightly lower gauranteed portion, but they made up for it by making it easier to get the gauranteed money by making more of it a signing bonus compared to Scotts deal who wont see more then half of his gauranteed money until year two of his deal.

Scotts deal - Signed a six-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $22 million guaranteed, including a $3.5 million signing bonus and Scott's first two base salaries. 2009: $4.5 million, 2010: $3.85 million (+ $10 million option bonus), 2011-2013: Under Contract, 2014: "Dummy Year,"

So with that my guestimate as to what he was offered was 6 years 48 mill, 18to 20 mill gauranteed.

Seems completely appropriate for Dansby. IMO, he has made more these past 2 season in salary via the Franchise Tag than he will ever make again in salary for the rest of his career...

 

[Capital Card]

Can we use the Transition Tag on Dansby? It's been so long (if ever) since we've used it, I can't remember all the details behind it.

 

[Buckybird]

You also don't severely weaken your team at an important spot over a few million, you should at least know that. Which of our FAs, to you, is more important than Dansby right now? You just don't throw away excellent defensive players like Dansby on a defense that is already very suspect. If the cap coming back is the problem, I assume we could work around that and load a few extra million in this year and make the deal more cap friendly when the cap actually does come back.

I honestly don't know the numbers being thrown around. What is Dansby asking for and how would that compare to what you think a player at his position and skill is worth?

I heard on the Bickley & MJ show 2day with their weekly AW spot that #24 says he's likely gone because of the $$$ he is seeking. The reasons AW said were pretty much what everyone sees: our situation with numerous other players saying it would cause serious problems done the road to the franchise. Wilson is also Los' closest friend on the team.

 

[bg7brd]

How much $$$ do you think Dansby will be offered by other teams? I don't see it being a whole lot more than what was offered by us last year.