Darren Urban on AM 1060 - Aug 11

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Kerouc9

Just FYI, in case no one picked up on this yet, but Mike Vick was the 1st QB to win at Lambeau in the playoffs, not only. Daunte Culpepper and the Vikings won there in the WC round just last season.

Nothing but good things to say about Warner here, so I'll just stay out of the remainder of this thread.

 

[Duckjake]

Well, they *were* playing *a lot* of games on turf during those seasons (they had Atlanta and New Orleans in division at that time--both indoor teams). And my point was that the *offense* struggled when on grass--is this really news to you? Many of those games were won on defense (some classic battles against the Tampa Bay Bucs come to mind...).

You mean like the 35-38 loss in Tampa? A real defensive struggle. Oh you probably meant the 11-6 win over Tampa in the 1999 NFC Championship game. No, that was on the turf in St.Louis.

It is "news" to me because it didn't happen. In fact there were more games in St.Louis where the Rams had trouble scoring than on the road on grass during those 3 years.

 

[daves]

There are better examples in support of your usual, rather tiresome - anti Josh diatribes than the SF games. Our "D" collapse in the last 5 min. of the first game became the greatest comeback in 9er history.

However, some of that was because our D was on the field so much.

Our offenses inablilty to start a drive and keep the D off the field in the final minutes of the game was one of the main reasons we lost that game.

Huh???

Actually, according to the official stats (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20041010_ARI@SF), the Cardinals had the ball for 9:19 of the first quarter, 15:47 of the first half, 22:47 of the first three quarters, and 30:49 of the first four quarters. When McCown threw a 24-yard pass to Fitzgerald to give the Cardinals a 28-12 lead with 8:19 to go in regulation, the 49ers had only had the ball for 1:17 of the 4th quarter vs. 5:24 for the Cardinals. At that point in the game, the Cardinals had held the ball for 28:11 vs. 23:30 for the 49ers.

Then Tim freaking Rattay proceeded to guide the 49ers to consecutive TD drives of 80 and 72 yards, followed by two successful two-point conversions.

True, in 14 offensive possessions, the Cardinals had four 3-and-out series, including one between the 49ers' fourth-quarter TD's, and one after the 49ers' tying TD, with 1:07 left in the game. (McCown completed 9-yard passes on both possessions!)

Of course it's correct that if the offense had executed yet another long drive in the fourth quarter, rather than going 3-and-out, they would've won the game. But the bottom line is that i don't think it's reasonable to excuse the defensive collapse at the end of that game "because our D was on the field so much."

...dave