Chaplin
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Huh? They're talking about SG rotation, not SF. In that case, it would be Jackson/Smith/Ginobili vs. Penny/JJ/Casey.
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Huh? They're talking about SG rotation, not SF. In that case, it would be Jackson/Smith/Ginobili vs. Penny/JJ/Casey.
San Antonio has just 7 losses in 2003. One of them was against the Phoenix Suns, and in their other meeting the Suns took the game into overtime. The Suns also won the first game in November. For one reason or another the Suns seem to match up well against San Antonio.
I just don't like the Suns chances against one of these high-powered offenses like the Dallas Mavericks or Sacramento Kings.
Joe Mama
I just don't like the Suns chances against one of these high-powered offenses like the Dallas Mavericks or Sacramento Kings.
Joe Mama
hcsilla
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Me too.
My point was that Smith wasn't really the part of SAS's swingman's rotation this year so if we count Jackson as a SF then their SG combo is Bowen/Ginobili.
Huh?
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Chaplin
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When was Bowen a SG? From what I remember, Shawn Marion is a SF and Bowen was always on Shawn defensively. That makes him a SF, not a SG.
hcsilla
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It doesn't.
Bowen guards Marion because Bowen is SAS' best perimeter defender and Marion is Suns' best wingplayer so it is nothing to do with positions
One more time if Jackson is their SF then what do you think who is their SG (if we want to make matchups with Suns)?
Chaplin
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For the record, the San Antonio Spurs starts:
C David Robinson
PF Tim Duncan
SF Bruce Bowen
SG Stephen Jackson
PG Tony Parker
In that respect, the Spurs Shooting Guard rotation is Jackson/Ginobili/Smith. Bowen isn't even considered a guard, let along a shooting guard.
C David Robinson
PF Tim Duncan
SF Bruce Bowen
SG Stephen Jackson
PG Tony Parker
In that respect, the Spurs Shooting Guard rotation is Jackson/Ginobili/Smith. Bowen isn't even considered a guard, let along a shooting guard.
hcsilla
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Chaplin, you can't read.
I said already twice that IF (so I repeat IF, and I say slowly one more time for you IF) Jackson counts as a SF then Bowen is their SG.
In my 1st post in this trade I wrote that "Spurs' starting SG/SF combo is Jackson/Bowen" so what do you argue against?
BTW, what kind of skills exactly does Bowen have what makes him to SF and not to SG?
His D he doesn't play SG . Bowen is a SF SF SF SF. Jackson has quickness and scoring ability that lets him play at SG.
hcsilla
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SweetD, who did write this "SF Marion vs Jackson (Suns)"?
So please decide it if Jackson is a SF or Bowen is a SF SF SF SF!
Again, Bowen's defense doesn't make him to a SF because he defends against the opponent's best perimeter player because Bowen is a great PERIMETER defender.
He is guarding also SG's not only SF's.
He isn't a great low-post defender or shot-blocker so he couldn't really defend against bigger post-up SF's ala Corliss Williamson.
Chaplin
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That has no bearing on the Spurs vs. Suns.
Chaplin
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NOT AGAINST THE SUNS
And since when are you the judge on whether Jackson plays out of position at the SF position? Amare plays center, why not talk about how he matches up with David Robinson instead of Tim Duncan? Or how Parker matches up with Marion?
Bowen at 6'6 is more of a SG than SF, and Jackson at 6'8 is more of a SF than a SG. Bowen is regarded as a defensive speacialist and has improved his 3pt shot. Jackson was more of a slasher and shooter, not a good defender. In fact, he was very poor defensively when he started at SF for NJ for a few games after we released him. But he has matured and become alot more consistent.
They switch positions depending upon matchups.
Just my two cents.
They switch positions depending upon matchups.
Just my two cents.
hcsilla
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Not?
Then Spurs play with two SF's and without any SG against Suns, right?
So the matchup against the Suns would be rightly:
Penny/JJ -- nobody/Ginobili
Marion----- Jackson/Bowen
That's what you want to say, right?
What?Who I am?
So you are saying that Jackson plays SG and am I the judge who says that Jackson plays out position at SF?
Man, you are really confused.
This is totally senseless.Wake up!
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Chaplin
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Would you PLEASE stop getting personal? It is really ridiculous.
I never said anything of the sort. According to the Spurs' starting lineups, Stephen Jackson has started at SHOOTING GUARD. I don't know why there is some descrepency with you. I looked it up on the Spurs site and Sportingnews and CBS.
Granted, Jackson is bigger than Bowen, but Bowen is EASILY a better defender, hence VS THE SUNS he plays the Small Forward position to try to slow down Shawn Marion. That's a fact.
BRUCE BOWEN IS NOT A SHOOTING GUARD. He may defend Kobe, but Bowen has never been a shooting guard. Jackson is a tweener and plays both, but against the Suns, he plays SG.
hcsilla
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Then please send this post to SweetD who wrote that Jackson is a SF and didn't count Bowen in Spurs' starting lineup.
I still don't understand what do you debate with me about.
And I still under the impression that you sometimes don't understand what you are reading.
Chaplin
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Same with you. But hey, we're all human, aren't we?
Hcsilla, can you stop ur name calling BS?
Honestly I am fed up with your atitude. I have ignored your posts LONG LONG time ago since your ego just can't take any kind of opposite OPINIONs. This is just a message board after all!
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you become mad and start quoting people's post, name calling and attack people. Sometimes you do have some point, but quoting people specifically and start with something like "Chaplin, you can't read.
", "SweetD, who did write this "SF Marion vs Jackson (Suns)", those are personal attacks, maybe you are not aware of this since you come from a different culture. Seriously I feel offended and I am sure alot of other people too.
Chap, maybe you want to make the board more interesting by repeately and pointlessly agruing with him. But it has gotten worse and worse, he is going to drag your down to his level and beat your with experience (of getting mad and attacking people).
Ignore him!
Honestly I am fed up with your atitude. I have ignored your posts LONG LONG time ago since your ego just can't take any kind of opposite OPINIONs. This is just a message board after all!
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you become mad and start quoting people's post, name calling and attack people. Sometimes you do have some point, but quoting people specifically and start with something like "Chaplin, you can't read.
", "SweetD, who did write this "SF Marion vs Jackson (Suns)", those are personal attacks, maybe you are not aware of this since you come from a different culture. Seriously I feel offended and I am sure alot of other people too.
Chap, maybe you want to make the board more interesting by repeately and pointlessly agruing with him. But it has gotten worse and worse, he is going to drag your down to his level and beat your with experience (of getting mad and attacking people).
Ignore him!
Chaplin
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Sorry about that cheng, I understand your point... 
Chaplin
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I still would prefer playing the Spurs myself... 
elindholm
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Well, I'm not offended. I don't mind people asking each other to be clear about what they are saying. Certainly we are all guilty from time to time of misreading others' posts -- but if we really are trying to discuss something, we owe it to one another to pay attention to what the other guy wrote, rather than make assumptions.
Hcsilla criticized me for misunderstanding him in a trade thread a week or so ago, and once I read things over again, I saw that he was correct. No harm done.
And by the way, a lot of people here could learn something from hcsilla's command of English. Occasionally he gets a verb tense wrong or something like that, but overall, he's one of the more articulate posters on this board. And for someone for whom English is not a native language, that's pretty impressive. I've often been tempted to recommend that certain other posters here spend some time in Hungary, so that maybe their English will improve.
Hcsilla criticized me for misunderstanding him in a trade thread a week or so ago, and once I read things over again, I saw that he was correct. No harm done.
And by the way, a lot of people here could learn something from hcsilla's command of English. Occasionally he gets a verb tense wrong or something like that, but overall, he's one of the more articulate posters on this board. And for someone for whom English is not a native language, that's pretty impressive. I've often been tempted to recommend that certain other posters here spend some time in Hungary, so that maybe their English will improve.
Chaplin
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This is the only thing I disputed. The first part of his sentence is correct, the second is not. UNLESS he meant Bowen/Ginobili as the SF/SG combo, rather than just the SG rotation (minus Smith of course). If that is the case, then I apologize, but that was never made clear as we continued on our arguement.
So while my opinion may not be fact (neither is his), I will not apologize for it.
elindholm
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I am sure you won't use phrases like
"This is totally senseless.Wake up!"
"Man, you are really confused."
"You can't read."
just to name a few to make sure people understand what you are saying.
Well... I try not to be that harsh, but I'm sure I've written things that have been just as offensive. A lot of people are automatically offended by any correction or difference of opinion.
"This is totally senseless.Wake up!"
"Man, you are really confused."
"You can't read."
just to name a few to make sure people understand what you are saying.
Well... I try not to be that harsh, but I'm sure I've written things that have been just as offensive. A lot of people are automatically offended by any correction or difference of opinion.
