David Stern on Dan Patrick Show right now...

[azdad1978]

What am I not surprise that Stern is a tool. This is the same guy that decided to introduce the new ball without asking the players? Now I know why I favor the NFL more than the NBA.

 

[Chaplin]

It's not showing today's show available for download yet.

The whole show isn't, but I was able to hear the Stern portion a few minutes ago.

 

[HooverDam]

Patrick said they are going to replay the interview on the show.

 

[azdad1978]

It's not showing today's show available for download yet.

Dan Patrick said they will re-aired the interview after the coach interview is over.

 

[HooverDam]

Does anyone have any way of recording the interview when they replay it?

 

[D-Dogg]

Holy crap, Stern came into this smarmy as hell.

The bad press is getting to him I think.


I do agree with him in the respect that he is assigning blame to Amare and Diaw for leaving the bench area while the rest of the team didn't leave. And that it, and the Horry incident are two seperate incidents.

I knew that he would hold hard and fast to the rule, but he did at least say if the owners want to change it over the summer they can do it. And that he can't supercede the rule and change the way it is enforced on the fly.

He's a person who has to enforce a bad rule, and enforce it strongly. He's also acting like a defensive jackass in this interview.

 

[btimsah]

Patrick did a bad job on this interview.. First of all he kept saying, "commissioner" about 56 times. Then letting him talk over him. I know Stern is mad, clearly because he doesnt want to do this and follow the letter of the law.

But who's law is this? Gods?

 

[azdad1978]

But who's law is this? Gods?

The owners who voted to put this in effect?

 

[D-Dogg]

Patrick did a bad job on this interview.. First of all he kept saying, "commissioner" about 56 times. Then letting him talk over him. I know Stern is mad, clearly because he doesnt want to do this and follow the letter of the law.

But who's law is this? Gods?

The league, which includes owners and which was voted on and approved by every team including how it is enforced.

Yes it sucks, but as the rule stands that is the way it is enforced. You can't change it on the fly...but I will almost guarantee that the league reviews it and adjusts the rule for the next season.

 

[Evil Ash]

He's a person who has to enforce a bad rule, and enforce it strongly.

The why don't they enforce the rest of the rules like say TRAVELING or 3 seconds in the key? They let those go because its "playoff basketball" and the officials are morons.

However of all rules they enforce that one. Does this makes sense to anyone?

He's also acting like a defensive jackass in this interview.

Thats the understatement of the century

 

[JS22]

If anyone else was having problems with the stream, as I was, simply copy the stream location directly into media player. (File / open URL.) The URL is:

http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3202.asx

For some reason the web stream just wasn't working for me. Hopefully I can still catch the D'antoni interview and Stern replay.

 

[Evil Ash]

The league, which includes owners and which was voted on and approved by every team including how it is enforced.

Yes it sucks, but as the rule stands that is the way it is enforced. You can't change it on the fly...but I will almost guarantee that the league reviews it and adjusts the rule for the next season.

No its still open for interpretation. Who defines what the "vicinity of the bench" and an "altercation" is?

 

[D-Dogg]

The why don't they enforce the rest of the rules like say TRAVELING or 3 seconds in the key? They let those go because its "playoff basketball" and the officials are morons.

However of all rules they enforce that one. Does this makes sense to anyone?

Well, since it isn't a ref's decision and is a league review rule, you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[green machine]

No its still open for interpretation. Who defines what the "vicinity of the bench" and an "altercation" is?

That is precisely where I thought the league would find their loophole. Everyone knows that the suspension isn't just, so I honestly thought the league would use the vicinity thing or the altercation thing and say that no suspensions were warranted. Sure, nobody would have believed that, but nobody would have argued.

 

[Evil Ash]

Well, since it isn't a ref's decision and is a league review rule, you are comparing apples to oranges.

In a way yes but the league is saying that this rule is iron-clad. So why in the hell aren't all of the rules?

 

[D-Dogg]

No its still open for interpretation. Who defines what the "vicinity of the bench" and an "altercation" is?

They do.

And even if there weren't some exact definition of either, Amare was on the court and Horry got a game for throwing an elbow at Raja's neck while Amare was on the court. Even a liberal definition would say it's an altercation and he wasn't in the bench vicinity.

It would take an EXTREMELY conservative definition to say that Duncan was on the court during an altercation. Though he should have gotten a tech for being on the court during play.

 

[ndjmc]

Coach Mike Is On Now!!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

In a way yes but the league is saying that this rule is iron-clad. So why in the hell aren't all of the rules?

The only answer there is that it is a simple rule (on court during altercation)based upon review of the tape, while traveling is a simple rule called by imperfect refs who miss things watching everything else, and which is not subject to tape review.

 

[btimsah]

The league, which includes owners and which was voted on and approved by every team including how it is enforced.

Yes it sucks, but as the rule stands that is the way it is enforced. You can't change it on the fly...but I will almost guarantee that the league reviews it and adjusts the rule for the next season.

Okay. I think everyone understands the rule. Everyone understands it's a bad rule too. The double standard for Duncan walking on the court during A POTENTIAL ALTERCATION is what really gets me. Stern had just said - WE CAN'T GUESS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN. But they do that with Duncan.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They do.

And even if there weren't some exact definition of either, Amare was on the court and Horry got a game for throwing an elbow at Raja's neck while Amare was on the court. Even a liberal definition would say it's an altercation and he wasn't in the bench vicinity.

It would take an EXTREMELY conservative definition to say that Duncan was on the court during an altercation. Though he should have gotten a tech for being on the court during play.

But would an "EXTREMELY" conservative definition, and enforcing the rule strongly one in the same? To me it is.

 

[D-Dogg]

Okay. I think everyone understands the rule. Everyone understands it's a bad rule too. The double standard for Duncan walking on the court during A POTENTIAL ALTERCATION is what really gets me. Stern had just said - WE CAN'T GUESS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN. But they do that with Duncan.

It's the word potential there. That isn't in the rule as written.

JJ should have just punched him or shoved him and it would have been an altercation, and Duncan would be suspended. It only goes to show how the rule, while well intentioned, is poorly constructed.

 

[HooverDam]

God, Coach D'Antoni is the freaking coolest. I hope he's the Suns coach as long as he wants to be. He's so honest, funny, gives great answers and I think he's a damn fine coach.

I like how he's talking about "We don't fight, thats not us, we don't fight. Boris doesn't fight, we'd have to throw Boris into a fight"

 

[dreamcastrocks]

God, Coach D'Antoni is the freaking coolest. I hope he's the Suns coach as long as he wants to be. He's so honest, funny, gives great answers and I think he's a damn fine coach.

I like how he's talking about "We don't fight, thats not us, we don't fight. Boris doesn't fight, we'd have to throw Boris into a fight"

Well duh, he's French.

 

[Evil Ash]

They do.

And even if there weren't some exact definition of either, Amare was on the court and Horry got a game for throwing an elbow at Raja's neck while Amare was on the court. Even a liberal definition would say it's an altercation and he wasn't in the bench vicinity.

It would take an EXTREMELY conservative definition to say that Duncan was on the court during an altercation. Though he should have gotten a tech for being on the court during play.

Actually Amare was on the court BEFORE the fight started.

However thats a fair argument on the altercation part of the argument but what about the vicinity of the bench? Thats an extremely vague term and leaves it way open for interpretation.

Still as I brought up in a previous thread if James Jones had kicked Elson was on the ground, then Duncan would be punished. However since he took the high road they have given no punishment whatsoever. No fine. No suspension. Not even a T.

All that tells me is the league is afraid of Tim Duncan

 

[arthurracoon]

DAntoni on:

Im glad Im not a robot
Im glad I have feelings

players were already on the court at the end, since the game was over
players were starting to celebrate

No one wins in this situation, us, the fans, the league

has not talked with the front office

thinks fairness and common sense should factor in as well

this is an emotional game, and you react

Boris Diaw wasnt going to fight
not in his nature

if you are not trying to ruin the game in any capacity, then you make a good ruling for everyone

we will play hard

no retaliation

I think we're going to win