Davis could be playing final game for Arizona

[Gee!]

Davis could be playing final game for Arizona

BOB BAUM
AP Sports Writer
Dec. 28, 2006 04:42 PM


TEMPE, Ariz. - Offensive tackle Leonard Davis could be playing his final game as an Arizona Cardinal on Sunday.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/1228davis-ON.html

 

[joeshmo]

Of all idiotic moves by the Cards over the years, letting Davis walk without compensation or a viable replacement especially in the currect FA market, it will go up to near the top of those idiotic moves.

Considering the upcoming FA market and current set of conditions in the cap market, Franchising him, telling his agent to go get a contract from other teams then grab your draft picks and or players from that team and it will be the easiest trade the Cards have ever made.

You dont want to keep him, fine, but you sure as heck better get your easy compensation for him.

 

[sportznutt]

Hasn't it been stated and realized by people all over the league that he's not playing the right position, and therefore not achieving as greatly as he should?

 

[red desert]

Of all idiotic moves by the Cards over the years, letting Davis walk without compensation or a viable replacement especially in the currect FA market, it will go up to near the top of those idiotic moves.

Considering the upcoming FA market and current set of conditions in the cap market, Franchising him, telling his agent to go get a contract from other teams then grab your draft picks and or players from that team and it will be the easiest trade the Cards have ever made.

You dont want to keep him, fine, but you sure as heck better get your easy compensation for him.

Kinda like letting Kendall walk without compensation. This would, however, be an even greater blunder.

 

[MrY]

Nice to see you back Gee!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hasn't it been stated and realized by people all over the league that he's not playing the right position, and therefore not achieving as greatly as he should?

1. I don't remember Davis EVER being dominant.

2. I really don't see how Davis has all of a sudden been the biggest player we have ever had here in Arizona.

How about when we let Jamir Miller walk? How about when we let Simeon Rice walk? How about when we let Otis Anderson walk?

It seems to me that this thing is getting way out of hand.

Rumor has it Big doesn't like playing for this team and he wants to leave. His contract is up and he is an unrestricted free agent. The only power this organization has is to franchise him. If we do that he will probably hold out.

I really think this is getting overblown. I think Davis is very replace-able and if he walks it is not a BIG deal.

JMHO

 

[Scott MS]

Good teams like the Patriots let guys walk when they have a guy ready to take his spot. The Cards, on the other hand, lets guys walk and then decide to go out and find a replacement.

They need to tag Davis unless they have some other guy drafted or signed to fill his shoes. As far as I know, they do not.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

They need to tag Davis unless they have some other guy drafted or signed to fill his shoes.

So what do they do if they tag him, and he holds out/demands a trade ?

 

[ReddBird]

If they tag him and Davis holds out -- they've got trade bait. There's no one else that they're looking to tag as this time; what's the downside?

 

[Evil Ash]

So what do they do if they tag him, and he holds out/demands a trade ?

They can trade him and considering the complete lack of Olineman on the market they could get something good in return or if worse comes to worse they can rescind the tag.

Letting him go without a plan and we've got back to the loser program we've been over the past couple of years

 

[joeshmo]

So what do they do if they tag him, and he holds out/demands a trade ?

First of all he will not hold out on 11+ mill franchise tag that once signed is gauranteed. He wont walk away or hold out from that.

Second of all I dont think people really understand just how bad the UFA market will be this offseason and how much so Davis will be in demand in that market. If the Cards cant pull off that trade in the upcoming cirumstances then they truley are the biggest losers in all of pro sports.

 

[joeshmo]

1. I don't remember Davis EVER being dominant.

2. I really don't see how Davis has all of a sudden been the biggest player we have ever had here in Arizona.

How about when we let Jamir Miller walk? How about when we let Simeon Rice walk? How about when we let Otis Anderson walk?

That was yesterday, this is today.

Totally different set of circumstances, totally different FA market, totally different cap economics.

 

[D-Dogg]

Of all idiotic moves by the Cards over the years, letting Davis walk without compensation or a viable replacement especially in the currect FA market, it will go up to near the top of those idiotic moves.

Considering the upcoming FA market and current set of conditions in the cap market, Franchising him, telling his agent to go get a contract from other teams then grab your draft picks and or players from that team and it will be the easiest trade the Cards have ever made.

You dont want to keep him, fine, but you sure as heck better get your easy compensation for him.

:notworthy

Worst case scenario, you are stuck with a decent tackle at not much more than he makes now, for another year. WORST CASE. It is a freaking no-brainer, and personally this is the final test of the changes in the Bidwill philosophy...can they make the risky play (even when the risk is hardly a risk at all) and do the right thing? I will be SHOCKED if they don't tag Big.

 

[D-Dogg]

Kinda like letting Kendall walk without compensation. This would, however, being an even greater blunder.

Not even close to Kendall.

 

[abomb]

If I agreed any more with JoeShmo, I'd be JoeShmo.

 

[joeshmo]

It is as easy as this, you may not want him here and there are very much so valid reason for that and I wont argue that. In fact I want him gone, his lax, ho hum, and immature attitude have been infecting this team for to long.

What I will argue is that there is upcoming what could be the best trade conditions ever since the start of FA. To not even try and franchise and trade him is lunacy. Just as it was for Miller, Rice, Boston, and so on. If I am wrong and we cant find a trade partner fine we resind the tag and move on.

It is a no lose situation.

 

[D-Dogg]

It is as easy as this, you may not want him here and there are very much so valid reason for that and I wont argue that.

What I will argue is that there is upcoming what could be the best trade conditions ever since the start of FA. To not even try and franchise and trade him is lunacy. Just as it was for Miller, Rice, Boston, and so on. If I am wrong and we cant find a trade partner fine we resind the tag and move on.

It is a no lose situation.

Just start a thread educating people...seriously...drop out pros and cons of tagging Big and diagram the FA market and how Big is shaping up to be a blue chip FA OL, and the dearth of them in the league.

The nuggets of wisdom you are dropping all over the place NEED to be put in one location, stickied, and linked everytime someone whines about this issue...because it will only get louder as we a) don't tag Big or b) do tag Big.

 

[D-Dogg]

If I agreed any more with JoeShmo, I'd be JoeShmo.

well, first you'd have to write it jenna-style. joeschmo. no caps.

 

[BigDavis75]

Letting Davis go would be pure stupidity, there is no downside to keeping him or tagging him. Even people that hate Davis as a player would agree that letting him walk would be one of the dumbest moves in recent history.

 

[Duckjake]

Davis said he isn't thinking about next year, concentrating instead on Sunday's season finale at San Diego. If the Cardinals don't re-sign him, he will become an unrestricted free agent in March.

"I have one more game to play," he said. "After that I'll say 'OK, let's talk contract."

Doesn't sound like a "me first" guy.

How about when we let Jamir Miller walk? How about when we let Simeon Rice walk? How about when we let Otis Anderson walk?

How about a major reason the Cards have averaged 5 wins and 11 losses per season since moving to Arizona?

Not letting guys walk is touted as the #1 improvement in the Bidwills' management of the franchise. Now they are not having to use next year's draft choices to replace the ones from 3-4 years earlier. Now they can afford to draft BPA instead of "need".

The Cards can win with Davis at LTackle. He isn't great but he's not Joe Wolf, or James Dexter, or Oliver Ross or, god forbid, Lester "duckjake" Holmes. Why let him go when you don't have to and you don't have anyone but some rookie you might not even be able to draft to replace him?

 

[red desert]

Not even close to Kendall.

Exactly. Just like I stated in my post.

Uhm, so what was the real intent of your post, bozo?

 

[overseascardfan]

Tag and slide Big to LG, draft Thomas, draft either Long or Baker next year, trade Big if not extended.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Of all idiotic moves by the Cards over the years, letting Davis walk without compensation or a viable replacement especially in the currect FA market, it will go up to near the top of those idiotic moves.

Considering the upcoming FA market and current set of conditions in the cap market, Franchising him, telling his agent to go get a contract from other teams then grab your draft picks and or players from that team and it will be the easiest trade the Cards have ever made.

You dont want to keep him, fine, but you sure as heck better get your easy compensation for him.

I agree, the Bidwills never use the tag and let players walk with nothing in return... Tag him, if he leaves we get draft picks if not we are left holding nothing in the wind...

 

[D-Dogg]

Kinda like letting Kendall walk without compensation. This would, however, be an even greater blunder.

Not even close to Kendall.

Exactly. Just like I stated in my post.

Uhm, so what was the real intent of your post, bozo?

Exactly like you stated in your post huh?? You mean the one where you compared it to letting Kendall walk? You mean the one where they are even worth mentioning on the same level? Or even the same situation? I'm not the guy who brought up Kendall.

You made the real intent of my post crystal clear: you don't know what the hell you are talking about. And guess what, you never have.

Gee I don't know why I might feel slighted by you.

And you are the dude calling me a bozo?

But congrats on making me notice you!




Edit: My, how far we've come from this

Honestly dude, why are you popping Viagra for me? I think we've crossed paths about 6 times total. Once you welcomed me to the board. Once you laughed at a joke. Twice you popped off about me with no provocation, and twice more you've responded to my posts with dripping hatred and bile. What gives. I didn't sleep with your lady, if that's what you are getting at. Otherwise, I don't know why you are perpetually swinging from my groin.

 

[Scott MS]

All the personal stuff aside, the Cards simply need to develop a plan to live without Davis before they choose to get rid of him. And a plan is hopefully more solid than deciding to draft an OL in April.

We all know the Cardinals will be far down the list in the player visit schedule in free agency and this team simply can't hope to replace him with a bunch of B tier free agents. If that happens, there might be a good chance that Shelton or Wragge will be back on the line.