Day 1 of FA Thoughts

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Defections:

DE Calais Campbell---amazing that Campbell got the same money per year ($15M) as his 2016 cap number for the Cardinals. He and his agent played the market perfectly. However, did Campbell's play warrant a $15.4M cap figure in 2016? In my mind, it did not. In the key 4 game stretch that determined whether the Cardinals could make a push for the playoffs, Campbell registered 12 tackles and 1 sack (losses to MIN, ATL and MIA and a win versus WAS). Now comes another question---where will he play in the Jaguars' 43 defense? Campbell is made to order as a 34 DE, but is he a 43 DT? A 43 DE? I would guess DT, seeing as Campbell has not shown he can be a productive edge rusher on passing downs.

Should the Cardinals have offered Campbell 4/$60M? No.

SS Tony Jefferson---$9M a year from the Ravens, who certainly pay a premium on signing and drafting tough guys. Seems he was heavily recruited from the get-go by FS Eric Weddle and he and Weddle have the potential to be one of the top safety tandems in the league.

Should the Cardinals have offered Jefferson $9M a year? No.

FS D.J. Swearinger---this defection is hard to understand. Swearinger was the first FS in quite some time to intimidate opposing WRs, RBs and TEs. When Jefferson was out, DJ stepped in at SS and played just as well as TJ did. For some reason, the Cardinals weren't sold on DJ. Yet, they raved about his work ethic, his diligent film study and his brash, aggressive style of play. They say they want guys who have a passion for the game and who are the first guy in and the last guy to leave, and yet when DJ gave them all of that and more, they let him walk at a modest $4.5M a year.

Should the Cardinals have offered Swearinger $4.5M a year. Yes.

Additions:

SS Antoine Bethea---going to be 33 this year, but still plays at a high level and is thirsty to win. Adds veteran leadership, toughness in the box...but the question is how effective he is in pass coverage, an area where TJ showed very good growth. Bethea will put every ounce of effort he has into it---but is he fast enough and agile enough to stick to TEs and RBs?

C A.Q. Shipley---this was a signing for continuity and depth. Shipley is a high effort guy who played a tad above average in 2016. Chances are he will remain the starting C and he has a good rapport with Carson Palmer. However, it would appear that Evan Boehm has more upside and long-term potential, so does this signing slow Boehm's growth another year or two? Not buying Boehm as a full-time starter at RG. At C. yes.

K Phil Dawson---might be the best signing of the day. Dawson is steady and consistently accurate. With Matt Wile on board, Dawson won't have to worry about kicking off.

LB Karlos Dansby---what is surprising about this move is that it happened on the first day of free agency when there were so many other options to consider. Clearly, the Cardinals want to move on from Kevin Minter who was a solid box tackler and improved inside blitzer, but not fast or athletic enough to be a consistently productive cover man. What the move suggests is that the Cardinals will use one of their first three draft picks on an ILB and Dansby will be the stop-gap on a team that is loath to play rookies. Dansby is a step or two slower than he used to be---he's a cagy, angular chase and cover ILB, but has never been a downhill stopper in run support. While he lacks the burst he once had as a blitzer he is able to threaten passing lanes with his size and wingspan.

Day 1 Grade: D

In my opinion, this was a tough first day for the Cardinals. It was understandable why Campbell and Jefferson were destined to move on. Losing Swearinger, to boot, was a mistake, especially at $4.5M a year (3/$13.5M). Swearinger is a far better option at age 25 than Bethea is at age 33. Plus, he can play both safety spots, whereas Bethea is not effective as a FS, nor is Mathieu or last year's regrettable signing, Tyvon Branch.

While the Shipley signing was understandable from a depth and continuity standpoint, Boehm should be the starting center today, not tomorrow.

The best signing was Dawson. Without him this grade would be an F.

The Dansby signing is just pure laziness on the Cardinals' part. The defense needs to get faster and more athletic and much better across the board at tackling and covering--these day 1 signings indicate that the Cardinals are content with the status quo (or even worse than the status quo), which is one of the main reasons why the rest of league is passing them by.
 
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I mentioned in the past that after a game I was in the player/family area and Swearinger was there with his posse and he just came off as a square peg in a round hole. Can't explain but he just seemed not to assimilate. I think there is more to his departure than they are saying.
 

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Come on Mitch, adding Dansby is an upgrade over minter in all aspects other than age. Even if it's for one year it's an upgrade.
 
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Cards also announced contract signing of OLB Chandler Jones on Day 1. That is a big deal and significant for them.

Yes. I think it is a very risky deal, particularly with regard to $53M guaranteed. Was very disappointed with Jones in October and November. Now what will this mean about re-signing Markus Golden in two years? Golden is better.
 

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We do not know the details of Swearinger, another team may have given him the starters role and a lot of ego stroking and we may have matched the dollars, but not the deal. He is a good player, but we don't know how good or how much he likes playing in this scheme versus what he could be promised by another team. Plus, his new contract seems front loaded when he may not have been able to do that, given our cap restraints in negotiations. I did want him back as well though.

And I think Dansby was a smart, smart signing. Bet, knows the defense, can call the plays - doubt Buc is ready for that and Dansby gives flexibility to find a young LB, either draft or FA plus depth. I still hope we resign Sio Moore, but this was an insurance signing, no more than that.

I give today a C since they are basically bringing in some leadership and insurance and buying themselves some options for the rest of free agency.
 
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Come on Mitch, adding Dansby is an upgrade over minter in all aspects other than age. Even if it's for one year it's an upgrade.

I would take Sio Moore over both of them, Moore is speedy and aggressive and young. Dansby is only an upgrade over Minter on passing downs. And at this point Minter is a much better blitzer.
 

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how the hell is Swearinger only 25 years old? I swear he has been in the league a long time
 

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I would take Sio Moore over both of them, Moore is speedy and aggressive and young. Dansby is only an upgrade over Minter on passing downs. And at this point Minter is a much better blitzer.
I still want Sio Moore also liked him
 

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I mentioned in the past that after a game I was in the player/family area and Swearinger was there with his posse and he just came off as a square peg in a round hole. Can't explain but he just seemed not to assimilate. I think there is more to his departure than they are saying.

I heard on a talk show that there were some questions on him not being good in the locker room. Not sure if that is BS or a real issue.
 

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I heard on a talk show that there were some questions on him not being good in the locker room. Not sure if that is BS or a real issue.
I heard the same and Kent Somers dispelled that but I don't buy it. From what I sensed in my brief and limited exposure there is more to it. He is a solid player so doesn't make sense otherwise.
 

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I am with you about Swearinger. I expected to lose CC and TJ. Dansby is a nice pick up and locking up Jones for five years was good. Hopefully we do better over the next couple of days. With the amount of losses on defense I think it would be better to solidify the offense so we are at least good on one side of the ball.
 

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breathe everyone, all is well. We are not rich with cap space. We made some solid signings for leadership and experience. We lost guys we couldnt afford to keep. The only surprise was swearinger and based on his contract, we must not have been interested in retaining him.
 

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I mentioned in the past that after a game I was in the player/family area and Swearinger was there with his posse and he just came off as a square peg in a round hole. Can't explain but he just seemed not to assimilate. I think there is more to his departure than they are saying.


Remember a couple of times last year there were comments from front office or coaches etc about lockerroom issues etc and many here speculated he was one of the guys they meant. It's unfortunate we lose a guy like CC who is a great role model for the younger guys, but my guess is they decided Swearinger was simply too much of an individual both on and off the field.
 

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Simply we are worse off after day one then we were when the season ended.
That's today's reality in the NFL. We have 4 very substantial contracts on the books now. That's about the most a team can have and still find depth. It's very hard to add starters. You have to get the youth up to speed. This will be a big test this year and next on this coaching staff.
 

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While not flashy I like the signings. It's all about leadership and players that know their role and hopefully won't screw up in close games or give up big plays. Keim said he went with athleticism over smarts last year and it backfired.
 

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What puzzles me is that while Dansby is a more accomplished player, ARZ could (should) have maybe looked into Zach Brown or Gerald Hodges who are much younger and entering their prime particularly Brown who made the Pro Bowl and was on NFL All Pro Second Team. Word is he told BUF he doesn't plan on being with the team next year.
 

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I would give the Cardinals a B for day one.

Mainly because they resisted the urge to overspend on Free Agents including several of their own who got overpaid on day one.
 

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That's today's reality in the NFL. We have 4 very substantial contracts on the books now. That's about the most a team can have and still find depth. It's very hard to add starters. You have to get the youth up to speed. This will be a big test this year and next on this coaching staff.

Isn't it 5, even? Badger, PP, Palmer, Fitz, Jones.
 

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We could also include the re-signing of Gresham as a Day One move...didn't officially sign the contract until yesterday.
 

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Swearinger loss was BS


we are paying Bethel more than Swearinger got from the skins, we absolutely couldve kept him
 

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Swearinger loss was BS


we are paying Bethel more than Swearinger got from the skins, we absolutely couldve kept him


I agree with you on one thing, cutting Bethel would free up $3.75M. I don't have confidence in Bethel ever becoming a decent CB. I would cut Bethel but wouldn't have wasted that money over paying Swearinger. I would use that added money to the cap to get a proven Veteran CB opposite of PP.
 

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