Day 1 of FA Thoughts

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Something had to have been wrong in the locker-room last season. Looks like the FO has now addressed that issue. The Dansby signing could indicate the Cards may be going after Ruben Foster (if available) or, as "b8" indicated, another LB in rounds 2 or 3. Hope they sign Sio Moore too.
Mitch, I always appreciate your posted analyses, but I do not believe the first day should have been scored a "D". Especially, with the Phil Dawson signing.
 
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Something had to have been wrong in the locker-room last season. Looks like the FO has now addressed that issue. The Dansby signing could indicate the Cards may be going after Ruben Foster (if available) or, as "b8" indicated, another LB in rounds 2 or 3. Hope they sign Sio Moore too.
Mitch, I always appreciate your posted analyses, but I do not believe the first day should have been scored a "D". Especially, with the Phil Dawson signing.

I said this in a couple of other threads but I think Swearinger was part of the problem in the locker room. There is a reason why he bounced around so much in the 2 years he's been in the NFL.
 
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Something had to have been wrong in the locker-room last season. Looks like the FO has now addressed that issue. The Dansby signing could indicate the Cards may be going after Ruben Foster (if available) or, as "b8" indicated, another LB in rounds 2 or 3. Hope they sign Sio Moore too.
Mitch, I always appreciate your posted analyses, but I do not believe the first day should have been scored a "D". Especially, with the Phil Dawson signing.

I dont think Dansby is indicative of anything other than they are moving on from Minter.

If Foster is at #13 I have no doubt they take him.
 

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Here was my initial plan back in December for the Cardinals going into the offseason:

Your offseason changes

Cut:

Daryl Washington $4.6 million added to cap
Troy Nickedglass $1M added to cap
Justin Bethel $3.75M added to cap
Tyvon Branch $2.4M added to cap

Re-Sign:

Chandler Jones
Tony Jefferson
Germaine Gresham
Kevin Minter
Josh Mauro

FA Signed:

Rashod Johnson FS
Logan Ryan CB
Kevin Zeitler G
Brandon Tate KR
Greg Zuerlein K
Bryan Anger P


Draft:

BPA


So far

CUTS: Nickedglass and Bethel are still on the roster but I would still cut them to create additional cap space. D Waste is still suspended so no need to cut him until he is reinstated or his contract runs out. With Tyvon Branch taking a $2M pay cut there is no longer a need to cut him.

RE-SIGN: We have already resigned Jones, Gresham and Maruo as I had hoped. I would have loved to have had Jefferson back, but $9M per year was just to rich. Minter is still a FA but now that Dansby is back he isn't a priority anymore.

FA SIGNED: Bethea is pretty much the same as bringing back Rashod Johnson. Phil Dawson is more reliable than Zuerlein so I'm happy with that pickup. I would still like to see the Cardinals address CB in FA. Logan Ryan signed with another team so I would move onto Prince Amakamura or another similar CB who has experience as a starter. Additional help at Guard would be nice as well.


All in all things are pretty much going as I had hoped this offseason except for Jefferson breaking bank which I didn't expect.
 
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nice writeup mitch.

i just can't wrap my head around swapping out swearinger for bethea. maybe BASK are expecting big things from tyvon branch that we didn't get last year.
 

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I would give the Cardinals a B for day one.

Mainly because they resisted the urge to overspend on Free Agents including several of their own who got overpaid on day one.
they didn't have the cap space to splurge even if they wanted to
 

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I think Dansby is a known commodity. The Cards do not have money to waste. Minter did not work out like they wanted. So they are going back to a known guy who buys them time for a year. Maybe draft a guy to bring along. So much of what they did on day 1 depends on what they do in the draft. It could look a lot better, or maybe worse depending on how the draft goes.
 

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Obviously we have to remember that we don't know what the Cards overall FA plan is. We have some space and can make some moves. We need to see what we spent overall on Bethea and Dawson, but we might have led the league in quality low price signings, especially on day 1.

The Day 1 grade format forces snap judgments and omits the possibility of seeing the overall free agency picture. Obviously we all want grades and instant analysis, and we are thankful for them Mitch.

Personally given the constraints we were in... decent capspace, but guys other teams wanted badly and overpaid for, I think we did very well. I'd give us a C+. Maybe even higher, up to a B. I'll settle at B-.

Of course the day itself given our losses is worse, but given our constraints we fared well. Dansby, Bethea, and Dawson are nothing to sneeze at. That's some quality talent coming in on the day we lost some quality talent. True we gave up long term for short term and that's the biggest loss, but it's probably a wash overall for this year, maybe even a plus for the Cardinals.

We have to remember that special teams cost us (or was the deciding factor in) 4-5 wins and caused a tie. Give us a few of those wins and we're in the playoffs last year. Dawson removes us from the kicker in those debacles. It might not be entirely fair to Cat, but I think Arians felt Cat wasn't mentally tough enough, and this removes him from the equation. If we can make sure our long snapper can snap, our holder can hold, and our kicker can kick... that improvement might be the biggest one we can make compared to last year. Other areas of special teams contributed to the debacle, but the actual process of kicking xp's and field goals was the major component of our special teams disaster.

Dansby, if he even plays like last year is a significant upgrade. We have to remember he plays big in big moments, and for whatever reason he plays the best in our defense.

Bethea is a physical force, and he's going to bring it. We want his toughness on the team. He'll continue to make offensive players pay for their catches/runs.

We have the capspace to be flexible to make choices going forward. I think it's clear we made the choice that we thought we could use the capspace more wisely on other players then sinking them into large contracts for some combination of Jefferson, CC, and DJ. Let's not forget that none of those three originally came to us as 1st round picks. CC was a 2nd rounder, DJ was a cut second rounder we picked up as a FA, and Jefferson was a UDFA.

There's still quality that can help this team remaining and we have the capspace to get some. We have a deep DL. I am concerned about Nkemdiche, but imo we're absolutely fine at DL, especially if we draft or sign another guy there.

Secondary is more of a concern now, but I don't believe we've taken that far of a step back, with plenty of time and cap space to make moves. Of course we could lose Cooper as well, but this draft is loaded with CB/S, who ironically seemed to be a good deal faster as a group than the WR's. If we were going to create holes, this was the area of the team to allow holes to be created.

Overall on a day where we lost some significant talent, I'm simply glad we added some good talent likely without compromising our ability to add a decent amount more in free agency. In the end we might end up with 6-7 guys filling holes for the pricetag of losing CC, TJ, and DJ. Not ideal, but pretty good given our position.
 

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The Dansby signing is just pure laziness on the Cardinals' part. The defense needs to get faster and more athletic and much better across the board at tackling and covering--these day 1 signings indicate that the Cardinals are content with the status quo (or even worse than the status quo), which is one of the main reasons why the rest of league is passing them by.

Mitch, I am going to argue this point, and know that I am really setting myself to be wrong.

But, crazy me, thinks that Dansby will not only be a HUGE asset to the Cardinals because at 35 he is better than Kevin Minter who is in his prime, but that he has more to share to guys like Deone Bucanon and whomever is brought in through the draft.

If Dansby is slated as a 3-down player.....he may wear down. If Dansby is a role player? I think he will thrive.

It looks like the Cardinals plan going into next season is to go 100% George Allen with their roster when it comes to filling in needs and gaps. By that I mean you bring in veterans that may be old, but have the knowledge, leadership and professionalism that will create a locker room that will be mentally tough to win a championship.

.......then why didn't George Allen succeed? Because the veterans either became run down at the end of the season, where hurt, or over they hill. But, that was the 1960's. In the year 2017 has modern medicine and nutrition made it that 30 somethings can still produce enough for 16 games and the playoffs ? I do not know, but apparently we are going to see.

By the way, I hope we are all ready to see Darius Butler be brought in if Marcus Cooper is released.


FYI, I am just being the messenger here, but the Cardinals were never going to re-sign DJ Swearinger this offseason per Mr. Gambo who does come up with pretty valid information from the club.

I wanted Swearing back, BTW, and would love to know what he didn't bring to the table that Bethea does.

Good write up man, thanks for posting it.
 

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I would take Sio Moore over both of them, Moore is speedy and aggressive and young. Dansby is only an upgrade over Minter on passing downs. And at this point Minter is a much better blitzer.


In your opinion, would you like to see the Sio Moore/Karlos Dansby as almost a combo ? Cause that is what I am looking for.

[Draft Pick]
Bucanon
Dansby
Moore

That is a big upgrade at the position if you ask me, and you could easily justify Scooby Wright/Alani Fua for special teams purposes, in that mix as well.
 

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we've lost CC, Jefferson, and Swearinger and signed a handful of guys. Does anyone know how this will affect our possible comp picks in the 2018 draft?

i hope we don't miss out on a third rounder comp because of Bethea, Dawson and Los
 
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we've lost CC, Jefferson, and Swearinger and signed a handful of guys. Does anyone know how this will affect our possible comp picks in the 2018 draft?

i hope we don't miss out on a third rounder comp because of Bethea, Dawson and Los

It would be pretty safe to bet that CC and TJ will be pretty high on the top 32 UFA signing list and it's possible that DJ will make the top 32.

We haven't seen the numbers on Dawson and Dansby, but it is unlikely that either one of them would make the top 32.

Bethea does not count toward comp picks because he was released and became an instant free agent.

Thus right now the Cardinals are looking at 2 possible 3rd rounders and a possible 7th. Or a 3rd a 4th and a possible 7th.
 

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we've lost CC, Jefferson, and Swearinger and signed a handful of guys. Does anyone know how this will affect our possible comp picks in the 2018 draft?

i hope we don't miss out on a third rounder comp because of Bethea, Dawson and Los

Bethea was released so he won't figure in to the formula.
 
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I heard on a talk show that there were some questions on him not being good in the locker room. Not sure if that is BS or a real issue.

Some players are quirky...look at how the Pats have embraced LeGarrette Blount, who is one of the quirkiest dudes in the NFL. How about Marshawn Lynch?

The fact is, the Cardinals took a chance on DJ when the Texans dumped him---and with that opportunity, DJ made the most of it.

Credit both the Cardinals and DJ for making things work. That's what seems so odd about the Cardinals letting him walk---this is a results oriented business and in terms of results DJ delivered. He flat-out balled for the Cardinals. He laid it all out there. Plus, he was getting his hands on a number of passes---and telling people afterward how he knew the other team's tendency from film study.

Letting Swearinger go is a failure on the Cardinals' part, because they developed him (however they did it, it worked) and now he's gone and as of right now there is no one on the roster who can play FS they way he can.

Plus, he is one of the few players on the team who has any real interest and enthusiasm for tackling.
 

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I am not as upset at losing Swearinger as a lot seem to be. He played well but I don't see him an especially vital cog in that defense that will cause it to be significantly worse without him. Relaceable.

CC will be missed but I think he was at an age that Jacksonville will get, maybe, 2 quality years out of him for their money. Good for him getting his bucks but I am glad it wasn't here for that price.

TJ was outstanding but it was a contract year. He is younger and has improved season by season but, again, too much money to retain. Good for him getting his bucks but we will see if he's topped out or will continue to improve. If he continues to improve they got them a hell of a player.

All in all, I am a bit more optimistic after the 1st day of FA. I would give the Cards a solid B- or what they did. They didn't obscenely over pay and got some quality players. Plus, signing Jones, Mauro and Gresham was excellent.

NOW, they need to shore up that 2nd CB slot, get an ILB (or maybe 2), get Buchannon back to safety where he belongs and the defense will be OK IMO. It will be a big plus if Dkemdiche..Dkem...uh...what's his name from the last draft...can come on.

I am not nervous (yet)...
 

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