Days 4, 5 of FA Thoughts

[Ronin]

Kent Somers‏Verified account@kentsomers 4m4 minutes ago
1st year cap of #azcardinals signings
Bethea — $3.4
Dansby — $2.25
Gresham — $3.75
Dawson — $2.5
C. Jones — $10
Shipley — $1.6

 

[GuernseyCard]

Food for thought:

http://www.isportstimes.com/article...ndon-carr-new-york-jets-arizona-cardinals.htm

 

[Buckybird]

Food for thought:

http://www.isportstimes.com/article...ndon-carr-new-york-jets-arizona-cardinals.htm

I'd rather have Mo Claiborne. He's the m2m CB the Cards covet...if he can stay healthy. Maybe pairing 3 former LSU kids together would be the answer lol

 

[Chopper0080]

Check this out---as of today:

49ers offense---Kyle Shanahan as HC and OC

QB Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley (both ex-Cardinals)
RB Carlos Hyde
FB Kyle Juszczyk
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Marquis Goodwin
WR Jeremy Kerley
TE Vance McDonald, Logan Paulsen
LT Joe Staley
LG Marcus Martin*
C Daniel Kilgore
RG Joshua Garnett
RT Trent Brown

* will be replaced by a UFA or rookie draft pick

That has the making of a good, solid offense. Hoyer knows Shanahan's system, which is a plus. His trio of WRs certainly match what the Cardinals currently have. Carlos Hyde is a bell cow RB---they will add a RB in the draft to have what Shanahan had in Atlanta with 2 RBs sharing the load. TE McDonald is good. LT Staley is a Pro Bowler. Kilgore is solid, RG Garnett from Stanford has big upside. RT Trent Brown enters 3rd year. The cupboard in not bare, by any means.

49ers' Defense:

DE DeForest Buckner
NT Quentin Dial or Earl Mitchell
DE Arik Armstead
OLB Ahmad Brooks
ILB NaVarro Bowman
ILB Malcom Smith
OLB Aaron Lynch
CB Trumaine Brock
SS Jacquiz Tartt
FS Eric Reed
CB Jimmy Ward

Lots of young talent here---Buckner, Dial, Amstead, Lynch, Brock, Tartt, Reed and Ward have upside, all of them. Without Campbell on our defense, their defense is pretty dang close to ours. They are better up front. We are better on the edges. In the middle I'd gibe them the edge because of Reed.

Mitch,

That is a pretty crappy roster. On defense, Buckner, Armstead and Reed can be good players. The rest are role guys. Offensively it is Hyde and Joe Staley and Garcon. The rest are bottom basement pickups.

 

[Chopper0080]

This should scare anyone. We would need 9 picks in the first three rounds to address these needs.

What on earth is scary. We are churning the bottom half of our roster...that is something that should be done regularly.

Chris Johnson - unsigned
Andre Ellington - re-signed
Stepfan Taylor - unsigned
Michael Floyd - unsigned
Jaron Brown - re-signed
Jermaine Gresham - re-signed
Darren Fells - signed elsewhere
Earl Watford - signed elsewhere
AQ Shipley - re-signed
Calais Campbell - signed elsewhere
Frostee Rucker - unsigned
Josh Mauro - re-signed
Kevin Minter - unsigned
Sio Moore - unsigned
Chandler Jones - re-signed
Alex Okafor - signed elsewhere
Tony Jefferson - signed elsewhere
DJ Swearinger - signed elsewhere
Marcus Cooper - signed elsewhere

I don't see anything scary here.

 

[Mitch]

Sorry Mitch but that offense is putrid and full of castoffs. I will say the defense has some young talent but they better be letting off about 6 points a game or they'll be drafting top 2 again.

I hope you're right, Cbus. I really like their RB, WRs, TE, FB, LT, RG and RT. Hoyer is the key. If he can perform, they could be much improved from last year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Rams defense is going to put our defense to shame. Wade Phillips is the best DC in the business, hands down. And the 49ers defense is quickly getting as good as ours. People are going to be surprised at how competitive both the Rams and the 49ers are going to be this year.

The Rams D might be very good (although people have been saying this for AGES and they don't really have Phillips' preferred personnel), but their offense is still going to be HORRIFIC and their coach still can't get into R-rated movies.

and the Niners? Come on. There's is NOTHING on that offense and the D is still a joke.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Check this out---as of today:

49ers offense---Kyle Shanahan as HC and OC

QB Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley (both ex-Cardinals)
RB Carlos Hyde
FB Kyle Juszczyk
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Marquis Goodwin
WR Jeremy Kerley
TE Vance McDonald, Logan Paulsen
LT Joe Staley
LG Marcus Martin*
C Daniel Kilgore
RG Joshua Garnett
RT Trent Brown

* will be replaced by a UFA or rookie draft pick

That has the making of a good, solid offense.

Yeah... if they had a QB, instead of two complete and utter pieces of trash. And even if they had a QB, Gracon, Goodwin and Kerley is a pretty ugly ********* at WR. That offense will be putrid.

 

[JeffGollin]

I buy into the "maybe" factor.

As fans, we're not privy to the insider info about players that might spell the difference between a mediocre athlete & a gamer. Or a delinquent and a good guy who's finally on the right track. Or a superstar and a prima donna. Or whether a player is injury-prone or just unlucky.

From my remote vantage point:

- I'm not sold on SF's roster nor am I sold on their new regime.

- Seattle with a 260 lb Lacy? Ehh....no (But a healthy Rawls is a different story.

- The Ram defense under Fisher scared me. Dunno about their new coaches/not in awe of Goff.

But this doesn't mean borscht - because there's a lot going down that I (& others) don't know (or at least can't be sure of).

This board doesn't lack for certainty but (regardless of the excellent creds of Mitch, Harry and others) I'm uncomfortable automatically accepting opinion as gospel.

 

[Mitch]

I buy into the "maybe" factor.

As fans, we're not privy to the insider info about players that might spell the difference between a mediocre athlete & a gamer. Or a delinquent and a good guy who's finally on the right track. Or a superstar and a prima donna. Or whether a player is injury-prone or just unlucky.

From my remote vantage point:

- I'm not sold on SF's roster nor am I sold on their new regime.

- Seattle with a 260 lb Lacy? Ehh....no (But a healthy Rawls is a different story.

- The Ram defense under Fisher scared me. Dunno about their new coaches/not in awe of Goff.

But this doesn't mean borscht - because there's a lot going down that I (& others) don't know (or at least can't be sure of).

This board doesn't lack for certainty but (regardless of the excellent creds of Mitch, Harry and others) I'm uncomfortable automatically accepting opinion as gospel.

So true, Jeff. Well said. I like to express my opinions as I am feeling them---but often times the board and a new day helps to change my perspective. But, this is what the board is for, isn't it? Thoreau said, "most men lead lives of quiet desperation." When it comes to the Cardinals my feelings of desperation are profound at times, but being able to vent that desperation here enables me to feel as sense of catharsis every now and then. And being able to rejoice in all the positives is just as cathartic, if not more.

 

[JeffGollin]

So true, Jeff. Well said. I like to express my opinions as I am feeling them---but often times the board and a new day helps to change my perspective. But, this is what the board is for, isn't it? Thoreau said, "most men lead lives of quiet desperation." When it comes to the Cardinals my feelings of desperation are profound at times, but being able to vent that desperation here enables me to feel as sense of catharsis every now and then. And being able to rejoice in all the positives is just as cathartic, if not more.

Agree, Mitch. Swapping opinions is what this board is all about. My only gripe is borne out of my unorthodox view of the world which centers on its uncertainty vs. the more traditional point of view by which people are convinced they have all the answers and state opinion as fact with 100% certainty. (To paraphrase Coach Mora: "We may think we know, but we really don't know diddly-poop).

 

[Mitch]

Agree, Mitch. Swapping opinions is what this board is all about. My only gripe is borne out of my unorthodox view of the world which centers on its uncertainty vs. the more traditional point of view by which people are convinced they have all the answers and state opinion as fact with 100% certainty. (To paraphrase Coach Mora: "We may think we know, but we really don't know diddly-poop).

The reality is no one but BA&SK and the FO knows what's actually going on behind the scenes. If we knew the details, we probably would have a different opinion, one way or another.

 

[sdscard4]

We lost starters from a team that was middle of the pack. 3 wins from contender 3 losses from disaster. I'd be more alarmed if we were in the playoffs and we lost these starters. It's all crap thrown against the wall and seeing what sticks. We just ain't throwing as much crap as other teams. Im cool where we're at. Dawson...Dansby and Jones. Could be worse. Lets bring on the draft.

 

[PJ1]

What on earth is scary. We are churning the bottom half of our roster...that is something that should be done regularly.

Chris Johnson - unsigned
Andre Ellington - re-signed
Stepfan Taylor - unsigned
Michael Floyd - unsigned
Jaron Brown - re-signed
Jermaine Gresham - re-signed
Darren Fells - signed elsewhere
Earl Watford - signed elsewhere
AQ Shipley - re-signed,
Calais Campbell - signed elsewhere
Frostee Rucker - unsigned
Josh Mauro - re-signed
Kevin Minter - unsigned
Sio Moore - unsigned
Chandler Jones - re-signed
Alex Okafor - signed elsewhere
Tony Jefferson - signed elsewhere
DJ Swearinger - signed elsewhere
Marcus Cooper - signed elsewhere

I don't see anything scary here.

We have lost more than gained and at this point are counting too much on the draft, TJ, CC, DJ, Fells are bottom half of roster?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If you watch this tape, you can see the closing speed I am talking about. Is he Ryan Shazier? No. But he has a burst to the football---always has.

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But it hasn't translated at the pro level. At least not in the way anyone hoped. 6 sacks in 4 years. Methinks the 4.92 didn't lie. He is by almost no measure "speedy" by NFL definitions.

That said, I am not adverse to giving this guy a shot. We need such gambles.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Alot of maybes. Im in support of waiting-to-see. But the statement "As of today 03/14/2017, the Cards had the worst 2016 draft class" is fact. What happens tomorrow or next week or next year is unknown. But today is known.

Hmm, I'd wouldn't make a blanket statement that covers the future as you do. I'd say, for the 2016 season the cardinals had the worst draft. That's 100% accurate while yours is part fact largely conjecture (1 season of the potential 10+ seasons these guys might play indicates a small, and likely not significant, sample size)

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Agree, Mitch. Swapping opinions is what this board is all about. My only gripe is borne out of my unorthodox view of the world which centers on its uncertainty vs. the more traditional point of view by which people are convinced they have all the answers and state opinion as fact with 100% certainty. (To paraphrase Coach Mora: "We may think we know, but we really don't know diddly-poop).

I like to approach thusly:

If I am differing in OPINION with someone else I'm in all likelihood going to believe myself over someone else. Why would I trust someone else's brain over my own. There are exceptions. For instance, due to Harry's background I give his opinion a great deal of weight and if I'm wavering his opinion may sway me.

That said, I am readily willing to be proven wrong. I won't fight my side of an argument just to be proven right. Ultimately I want to KNOW what's correct. So if someone presents me with facts I will happily change my mind. Most of you might think "well duh we all would do that" but the fact is most people, even in the face of facts that their argument is wrong, tend to dig in even more deeply. I just a study to that extent that blew my mind.

So folks, if you're arguing with me and it's opinion verses opinion the gods honest truth is you're likely not going to convince me unless you present facts (and they needn't even be irrefutable - just persuasive), in which case I'll be happy to recognize the truth and be correct in my assessment/statements moving forward.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We have lost more than gained and at this point are counting too much on the draft, TJ, CC, DJ, Fells are bottom half of roster?

Free agency isn't over. For instance if we signed Carr I actually think we might be improved in the secondary over last year. Too early to panic.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

We lost starters from a team that was middle of the pack. 3 wins from contender 3 losses from disaster. I'd be more alarmed if we were in the playoffs and we lost these starters. It's all crap thrown against the wall and seeing what sticks. We just ain't throwing as much crap as other teams. Im cool where we're at. Dawson...Dansby and Jones. Could be worse. Lets bring on the draft.

Agreed...It's not like this is after the 1998 season, where they blew up a team that just scratched the surface of winning.

 

[kerouac9]

What on earth is scary. We are churning the bottom half of our roster...that is something that should be done regularly.

I don't see anything scary here.

Losing Campbell and Jefferson are going to hurt and are scary. Those aren't bottom half of the roster guys. People were saying not to worry about losing R. Johnson and J. Powers last season, and we missed them a ton.

 

[iRobot]

Losing Campbell and Jefferson are going to hurt and are scary. Those aren't bottom half of the roster guys. People were saying not to worry about losing R. Johnson and J. Powers last season, and we missed them a ton.

Johnson and Powers may not have done much for their team they left us for.. BUT, they were integral on our team as glue guys.

 

[daves]

People were saying not to worry about losing R. Johnson and J. Powers last season, and we missed them a ton.

The Cardinals missed Johnson and Powers so much, they went from being ranked #3 in defensive DVOA in 2015 to being ranked #3 in defensive DVOA in 2016.
...dbs

 

[PJ1]

Free agency isn't over. For instance if we signed Carr I actually think we might be improved in the secondary over last year. Too early to panic.

Agreed. Signing a vet CB would be huge.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The Cardinals missed Johnson and Powers so much, they went from being ranked #3 in defensive DVOA in 2015 to being ranked #3 in defensive DVOA in 2016.
...dbs

Last seasons' issues were more on the Offense and ST, than the Defense, IMO.

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[WildBB]

The D had their letdowns late in close games and 3rd down issues in many games. Tackling was atrocious at times and were even blown out by Atlanta. They played a great game in the Seattle home game though. Mixed results even though they had a good ranking.