*Dbacks asking price for Goldy might be too high?* aka the Goldschmidt trade watch thread

[Town Drunk]

He gone.

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[82CardsGrad]

He gone.

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Should be quite interesting to see what we get in return... It BETTER be one helluva a haul of young talent!!!!!!!

 

[unseenaz]

Should be quite interesting to see what we get in return... It BETTER be one helluva a haul of young talent!!!!!!!

spoiler: it's not.

 

[82CardsGrad]

spoiler: it's not.

The St. Louis Cardinals have acquired slugger Paul Goldschmidt from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for right-handed pitcher Luke Weaver, catcher Carson Kelly, infielder Andrew Young, it was announced Wednesday.

The Diamondbacks also receive a 2019 Competitive Balance Round B draft pick from the Cardinals.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[1Sun]

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Chances are this would have been a better return than we got as well.

My big fear now is that Torey Lovullo, who was irrationally obsessed with Chris Hermann in 2017, pushed for this deal based on a similar irrational obsession with Kelly.

 

[BC867]

Chances are this would have been a better return than we got as well.

My big fear now is that Torey Lovullo, who was irrationally obsessed with Chris Hermann in 2017, pushed for this deal based on a similar irrational obsession with Kelly.

Was he obsessed with Chris Hermann or did he place priority on a defensive Catcher who could handle and motivate a pitching staff being worth a weak spot in the batting order more than a slugger who could not.

It is a valid point of view. Pitching does affect half of the game. It is another reason why I have changed my long held opinion against the DH in the National League. One weak spot at the bottom of the batting order. With hopefully a SS who can hit decently not in that category, too.

The D-backs, in print, have gone back and forth on the importance of defensive Catchers for the past few seasons. I do wish they'd make up their minds.

 

[Dback Jon]

Chances are this would have been a better return than we got as well.

My big fear now is that Torey Lovullo, who was irrationally obsessed with Chris Hermann in 2017, pushed for this deal based on a similar irrational obsession with Kelly.

See the other thread - Rays weren't willing to offer much for a one year rental.

 

[1Sun]

See the other thread - Rays weren't willing to offer much for a one year rental.

Okay, so the Astros and Yankees had better offers on the table, and frankly it would have been better to keep Goldy and/or try again at the trade deadline, even if it meant losing him for just a higher compensatory draft pick at the end of the year. The draft pick is the only thing of positive value in this trade return, anyway.

 

[AZCB34]

Okay, so the Astros and Yankees had better offers on the table, and frankly it would have been better to keep Goldy and/or try again at the trade deadline, even if it meant losing him for just a higher compensatory draft pick at the end of the year. The draft pick is the only thing of positive value in this trade return, anyway.

We don't really know what the Yankees and Astros are offering and what the total deals looked like. I am not defending the deal made just pointing out the silliness of thinking we know exactly what was offered.

 

[1Sun]

We don't really know what the Yankees and Astros are offering and what the total deals looked like. I am not defending the deal made just pointing out the silliness of thinking we know exactly what was offered.

Doesn't matter. Again, we would have been better off letting Goldy play out his contract and walk and taking the higher compensatory pick at the end of the year rather than taking on the Cardinals' trash and a lesser compensatory pick.

 

[AZ Native]

Doesn't matter. Again, we would have been better off letting Goldy play out his contract and walk and taking the higher compensatory pick at the end of the year rather than taking on the Cardinals' trash and a lesser compensatory pick.

Yes it does matter. You said and I quote "Okay, so the Astros and Yankees had better offers on the table". Where is your proof of this?

 

[1Sun]

Yes it does matter. You said and I quote "Okay, so the Astros and Yankees had better offers on the table". Where is your proof of this?

For now, the Justus Sheffield report (and by himself Sheffield is worth more than the package we got). I admit I am only speculating on the Astros, based on my belief that their offer really could not be any worse without being insulting to the point of making news.

 

[AZ Native]

For now, the Justus Sheffield report (and by himself Sheffield is worth more than the package we got). I admit I am only speculating on the Astros, based on my belief that their offer really could not be any worse without being insulting to the point of making news.

So you are only speculating and your opinion is gold. Got it.

 

[1Sun]

So you are only speculating and your opinion is gold. Got it.

My observations aside, would you rather have the craptastic package we got or hold out for something decent in return for Goldy with the worst case scenario being another year of Goldy in a Diamondbacks uniform followed by a higher compensatory pick when he walks?

 

[AZ Native]

My observations aside, would you rather have the craptastic package we got or hold out for something decent in return for Goldy with the worst case scenario being another year of Goldy in a Diamondbacks uniform followed by a higher compensatory pick when he walks?

My point is you were speaking as the authority when you have nothing to back you up. Your are entitled to your opinion but don't express it as fact. If you don't believe in Hazen and the front office, that is fine, but do you really think you are superior to them in making these decisions?

 

[Dback Jon]

My observations aside, would you rather have the craptastic package we got or hold out for something decent in return for Goldy with the worst case scenario being another year of Goldy in a Diamondbacks uniform followed by a higher compensatory pick when he walks?

I waiver back and forth on this.

If only one of the package turns out decent for a few years, is that better than a one-year, $14.5 M "rental" of Goldy + plus a slightly better draft pick (assumed)?

Only time will tell

 

[1Sun]

My point is you were speaking as the authority when you have nothing to back you up. Your are entitled to your opinion but don't express it as fact. If you don't believe in Hazen and the front office, that is fine, but do you really think you are superior to them in making these decisions?

I'm not saying I'm superior, but then again I am not getting paid millions to make those decisions as they are.

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered my question...

 

[1Sun]

I waiver back and forth on this.

If only one of the package turns out decent for a few years, is that better than a one-year, $14.5 M "rental" of Goldy + plus a slightly better draft pick (assumed)?

Only time will tell

Fair enough, but of the three in this package, do you honestly think there is any chance at all that even one turns out decent for a few years? If so, which one and what makes you think that?

 

[82CardsGrad]

My observations aside, would you rather have the craptastic package we got or hold out for something decent in return for Goldy with the worst case scenario being another year of Goldy in a Diamondbacks uniform followed by a higher compensatory pick when he walks?

You’re a funny guy... You present yourself here as some type of informed authoritative expert, yet you clearly are extremely misguided.
There is zero baseball logic associated with hanging onto Goldy and attempting to make a deal at the trade deadline in hopes that it might’ve yielded something better than what was being offered now. And there is even less logic in keeping him the full season and watching him walk away, getting nothing in return. Those two scenarios would be laughed at and ridiculed by actual baseball experts.
We got 4 players, two of whom will likely be on the roster opening day. Weaver will be in the rotation as our #4 and according to actual experts, has a legit chance to be a high-quality major league starter if he can find his change-up again.
Anyway - your take on this deal couldn’t be more misguided...

 

[Dback Jon]

Fair enough, but of the three in this package, do you honestly think there is any chance at all that even one turns out decent for a few years? If so, which one and what makes you think that?

Weaver would be my guess. If he recovers from his sophomore slump. 2017 performance would be good.