Kyler- Harrison

[slanidrac16]

Chase was
Jefferson was
Puka was

Why can’t Marv?

I have the answer but you won’t like it.

Would you like to guess?

 

[602 Native]

You do realize that if he could simply win contested catches, that would be transcendent, right? Tons more TDs and yards.

This is my biggest issue.

You don’t get wide open holes in the defense most of the time. There is almost always someone in your kitchen.

 

[Russ Smith]

And the board consensus, even though a few of us disagreed, was that he was a wasted pick and trash. The board was wrong then. They’re wrong again.

I didnt think he was trash and I don't think Marv is trash either. I do think Marv was overrated and has underperformed for us.

I think it's not just him, Kyler and Petzing have a part too. But I think the idea that he was this polished NFL ready WR star, has been shown to be false.

 

[QuebecCard]

That’s why I specified age. Year two for Fitz is the biologically appropriate comp to Harrison’s rookie year.

Well, three cheers for biological age. I'm more concerned with how he does on the field in year two of his NFL career.

 

[602 Native]

I have the answer but you won’t like it.

Would you like to guess?

K1 has zero to do with CHJ not getting separation, or winning 50/50 balls.

Dude runs lazy routes and displays zero fire.

 

[QuebecCard]

Chase was
Jefferson was
Puka was

Why can’t Marv?

Marv hasn't been, and neither has Odunze, a favourite for some on this board, for a myriad of reasons that many have enumerated.

Fitz wasn't in year one, either.

 

[602 Native]

Marv hasn't been, and neither has Odunze, a favourite for some on this board, for a myriad of reasons that many have enumerated.

Fitz wasn't in year one, either.

While Fitz was a blue chipper coming out he didn’t have Marvs pub or fanfare.

I truly hope he will be great next season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Marv hasn't been, and neither has Odunze, a favourite for some on this board, for a myriad of reasons that many have enumerated.

Fitz wasn't in year one, either.

Fitz had the worst combo of QBs ever, came on to a team that already had a #1 option at a time, all while the league was nowhere to close to where it is now as far as passing game is concerned, AND the league played 1 fewer game per season.

Other than that, it’s a spot on comparison.

 

[Chopper0080]

That was a dumb take then. MHJ came in with a lot more expectation and while he's been a good rookie, he was supposed to be transcendent.

I know you didn't come up with this term, but I hate it in regards to these rookie prospects. Talk about setting up players to be disappointments.

 

[Chopper0080]

Au contraire, very highly aware of Fitz' rookie stats. That is the baseline, and the numbers are close rn.

But apparently you don't have eyes if you think that Marv is playing anywhere near his potential with the drops, the weak effort on 50/50 balls, not understanding how to come back to the ball, etc. That's not the transcendent player fans and analysts were expecting to see. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Add that to your encyclopedia of things you are naive about.

Here is where I take a silver lining approach. If this version of MHJ can put up these numbers...an improved version should only improve of those.

 

[Chopper0080]

While Fitz was a blue chipper coming out he didn’t have Marvs pub or fanfare.

I truly hope he will be great next season.

Slight disagreement on Fitz as a prospect. He was considered a very high level prospect who only lacked top end speed.

 

[BirdGangThing]

mhj went for 130 yards and 2 tds IN THE FIRST FREAKIN QUARTER of a game during his ROOKIE FREAKIN SEASON

he is who we thought he was - he's not the problem

 

[AZ Native]

mhj went for 130 yards and 2 tds IN THE FIRST FREAKIN QUARTER of a game during his ROOKIE FREAKIN SEASON

he is who we thought he was - he's not the problem

No doubt he was not a problem in that quarter, he was great. But there are 59 other quarters.

 

[602 Native]

I have the answer but you won’t like it.

Would you like to guess?

Cooper Rush threw for 3 TDs against Panthers defense.

Our passing scheme is the worst in the NFL. If you think all our passing issues are on K1 I got news for you.

 

[Stout]

Cooper Rush threw for 3 TDs against Panthers defense.

Our passing scheme is the worst in the NFL. If you think all our passing issues are on K1 I got news for you.

Come back when Kyler proves he hasn't turned into a noodle-armed Checkdown Charlie. It's clear to see that there are plays to go downfield; he instead stands there, or flushes out of the pocket, and either dumps it off, takes the sack, or throws it away. It's a conservative offense, but Kyler significantly inhibits the passing scheme, too.

 

[D-Dogg]

Here is where I take a silver lining approach. If this version of MHJ can put up these numbers...an improved version should only improve of those.

Despite many, correctable, flaws, he's displayed a lot of talent. Year 2 should be huge for him.

 

[D-Dogg]

Marv hasn't been, and neither has Odunze, a favourite for some on this board, for a myriad of reasons that many have enumerated.

Fitz wasn't in year one, either.

I'm a HUGE fan of Marv. For me, it was either him or Alt in this draft and that was it.

He has not shown several of the reasons I was (and am) high on him yet, which is surprising. But that doesn't mean I don't love the guy. Criticism is not hate.

 

[imaCafan]

I’m wondering (and I think it’s already more or less been stated) if the play calling is holding him back, increasing his learning curve? Instead of going for it (him) and live or die as he learns the NFL game.

 

[QuebecCard]

Cooper Rush threw for 3 TDs against Panthers defense.

Our passing scheme is the worst in the NFL. If you think all our passing issues are on K1 I got news for you.

It's terrible, and I can't understand why we can't scheme WRs open like Baltimore, for example, which is also a run-heavy offence, is beyond me.

That said, 09 teams have fewer yards via the pass, and regarding yards per attempted pass, 16 are poorer.

 

[602 Native]

Come back when Kyler proves he hasn't turned into a noodle-armed Checkdown Charlie. It's clear to see that there are plays to go downfield; he instead stands there, or flushes out of the pocket, and either dumps it off, takes the sack, or throws it away. It's a conservative offense, but Kyler significantly inhibits the passing scheme, too.

I don't absolve K1 of partial blame he is the QB so of course its also on him. Petard though is also part of this puzzle and he comes from a run dominant offense that was in the toilet for years. He has brought that same mentality here and we are seeing lows at every position outside of RB & TE. We don't have a single WR anywhere near 1000 yards for a 17 game season.

I can't see MO running this offense back next year without changes to either QB, OC, and or other coaches. He drafted CHJ at 4 and he can't be happy seeing his new toy get frozen out of an outdated offense.

 

[HairZach]

mhj went for 130 yards and 2 tds IN THE FIRST FREAKIN QUARTER of a game during his ROOKIE FREAKIN SEASON

he is who we thought he was - he's not the problem

Dude thats Rams secondary was missing 3 starters and those yards came off of two catches on busted coverage. That same game he missed out on two easy TDs because his hands are terrible. The guy he smoked isnt even on the team anymore. His only other 100 yard game came against a Miami secondary that was missing two starters.

Every single time Marv has had to go against a starting level NFL CB he has gotten his butt handed to him. That includes against Max Melton and 5th round pick Cam Heart in college. He is George Pickens without the burst, physicality, ball tracking, or hands. His claim to fame in college was roasting used car salesmen at Youngstown State and Maryland, every time he went against someone who was drafted he got erased.

Maybe he gets better, but I doubt he ever comes close to his expectations. There is so much wrong with his game and his competitive drive seems non existent.

 

[oaken1]

Age 22 season:

Larry - 103/1409/10 (16 games)

Marv - 51/726/7 (15 games)

That's not really relevant.
Larry was allowed to declare a year earlier due to some loophole regarding the prep school he played for. So he was younger when drafted.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't absolve K1 of partial blame he is the QB so of course its also on him. Petard though is also part of this puzzle and he comes from a run dominant offense that was in the toilet for years. He has brought that same mentality here and we are seeing lows at every position outside of RB & TE. We don't have a single WR anywhere near 1000 yards for a 17 game season.

I can't see MO running this offense back next year without changes to either QB, OC, and or other coaches. He drafted CHJ at 4 and he can't be happy seeing his new toy get frozen out of an outdated offense.

How did that same OC get Murray to throw 10 TDs in 8 games last year? Did Petz change the system this year?

 

[Russ Smith]

I assume he'll be much better next year but I also have to admit I'm quite concerned with his trend. He has 7 TD's on the year, 4 of them in the first month, 3 in the last 3 months. The YPC number has dropped every month 16 to 15, to 13.5 to 12. The catch to target ratio still sucks.

Unless most of that is Kylers' fault it's a bit concerning as the year went on and teams developed a book on him, he got worse.

If you look at the splits, Wilson's YPC has been going UP at the same time which makes me wonder if they've been using Marv more in the slot, as it seems, because they didn't think he was getting open at the X enough and started using Wilson there too?

 

[HairZach]

How did that same OC get Murray to throw 10 TDs in 8 games last year? Did Petz change the system this year?

The main difference this year was our goal to go running game was nearly unstoppable. A lot of the potential TDs went to Conner.