Dbacks begin Pierre trade talks with FLA

[devilfan02]

I just heard on Xtra Sports 910 AM that the Dbacks are in "heavy talks" with the Marlins about aquiring Juan Pierre. The details of the deal include a sign and trade where the Marlins would sign him to a 4 year, 20-24 million dollar deal. In return, FLA would get a "big time prospect" which they think would be Conor Jackson (thats speculation). I didn't hear Javy's name in the conversation but he could be included. I'm not gonna give my opinion until I hear which prospect we have to give up. Interesting...............

 

[devilfan02]

The Marlins have NO INTEREST in Javy. Only interested in prospects

 

[Evil Ash]

The Marlins have NO INTEREST in Javy. Only interested in prospects

Like I said in another thread, The Marlins have absolutely no interest in taking on Javy's contract.

Good to hear on the Pierre front but I hope we aren't giving up Connor Jackson to get him

 

[devilfan02]

Their saying on Gambo on Ash (910 AM) that the Marlins really want one of our prospects. They said that the Marlins will pull the trigger (many other teams are trying to trade for him too) if the Dbacks give up this prospect. Their saying that its probably one of the "Big 3" that they want- Jackson, Drew, or Quentin. I don't know about this but I really think Pierre would completley change the way other teams have to approach us

 

[Ryanwb]

Trading away one of our prospects for Pierre is a total mistake. He's not worth it

 

[devilfan02]

I'm not gonna give an opinion until I hear who the prospect is. It might not be any of the "big three." It could be Nippert or Santos. Far fetched but you never know. I have a feeling that their going after Jackson cause FLA just traded Delgado. Jackson would be their opening day starter at 1B. oh boy.....

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I would be extremely excited for the Dbacks to add Pierre since he would be the ideal catalyst at the top of their order and fill several current voids they have, but I don't know why though the Marlins would demand Jackson since they already have highly touted 1B prospect Jason Stokes (also now the recently acquired Mike Jacobs) and have Cabrera, Hermida, and Reed as their long-term OF....

They wouldnt demand any pitchers since they're acquiring highly regarded starting pitching prospect Petit in the Mets trade who along with Olsen, Kensing, Willis, and Josh Johnson will form w/in the next cpl of yrs the best young rotation that would be the NL equivalent to the Athletics....

Of course the Marlins wouldnt want any of the offensively challenged Dbacks catchers (obviously Snyder and Hill) since they have Josh Willingham waiting in the wings to replace Lo Duca once he's dealt.....

That would leave probably the middle IF...the Marlins probably would want to acquire a 2B to replace the oft-injured Luis Castillo, but I dont believe they would be willing to take someone like the unproven Scott Hairston or the underachieving Alex Cintron..... They're getting a pretty decent SS from the Red Sox (Hanley Ramirez) who could potentially be starting in the ML, so that would rule out Sergio Santos....

Perhaps the Dbacks would consider including either Valverde or Aquino, however, we still dont know the status of Lyon and whether or not the Dbacks would be willing to spend money on either BJ Ryan, Todd Jones, or Tom Gordon.... Hoffman and Wagner are obviously way out of the Dbacks price-range....

One recent rumor I read had the Dbacks sending Vazquez to the Mets for Kris Benson and AAA pitching prospect, Brian Bannister... Benson could be an adequate #2 starter, however, he's rather injury prone, but actually did have a brilliant 2nd half for the Mets....

Another rumor (isolated from all the Vazquez discussion) linked Yorvit Torrealba being dealt to the Dbacks... I dont believe the Mariners would demand too much for him...He's shown some decent stats during limited playing time and is now expendable since the Mariners signed Johjima... In fact... Torrealba could also be a pretty good long-term solution at a position in which the Dbacks have somewhat struggled with since the inception of their franchise... Only Damien Miller showed some consistency over a relatively longer amount of time....

I just hope that the sequence would be.. the Dbacks trade Vazquez first.. perhaps acquire some uber prospects in that deal.. then trade one of those off in the package to obtain Pierre.....

 

[devilfan02]

I forgot about Jacobs. They prob dont want Jackson then. Pierre would be awesome, hopefully we wont have to give up any of those guys.

 

[AZZenny]

If Conor or Carlos for Pierre (or equivalent overrated player) happens, then this team is doomed for a long, long, time.

And I want Byrnes to look us in the eye and tell us it was HIS decision.

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[AZCB34]

Trading away one of our prospects for Pierre is a total mistake. He's not worth it

I don't know Ryan. I may be willing to part with Jackson...may sound stupid but I am not sold on him being MLB top tier like Drew or Quentin seem to be. Based on what KLL is saying though, Jackson wouldn't appear to be a real need for them.

I wouldn't rule out Javy being traded to FLA and then moved from there (3 team deal)...that is still possible if the Marlins have their eyes on some other prospect somewhere.

I would love Pierre to play CF for the Dbacks.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I would be extremely excited for the Dbacks to add Pierre since he would be the ideal catalyst at the top of their order and fill several current voids they have, but I don't know why though the Marlins would demand Jackson since they already have highly touted 1B prospect Jason Stokes (also now the recently acquired Mike Jacobs) and have Cabrera, Hermida, and Reed as their long-term OF....

I'm not sure why they acquired Jacobs to begin with, unless they plan on moving either he or Stokes to the OF and playing Cabrera at his natural position (3rd). Either way, this depth essentially renders Jackson useless to them, which makes many of us exhale loudly.

They wouldnt demand any pitchers since they're acquiring highly regarded starting pitching prospect Petit in the Mets trade who along with Olsen, Kensing, Willis, and Josh Johnson will form w/in the next cpl of yrs the best young rotation that would be the NL equivalent to the Athletics....

Not to mention Anibel Sanchez, who is considered by Bostonians to be "future ace" material. The Marlins have so much pitching depth on the farm it's disgusting.

Perhaps the Dbacks would consider including either Valverde or Aquino, however, we still dont know the status of Lyon and whether or not the Dbacks would be willing to spend money on either BJ Ryan, Todd Jones, or Tom Gordon.... Hoffman and Wagner are obviously way out of the Dbacks price-range....

Not to mention out of Arizona's age range. Florida needs all kinds of help in the bullpen, so I wouldn't be stunned to see Valverde thrown in some kind of package deal.

One recent rumor I read had the Dbacks sending Vazquez to the Mets for Kris Benson and AAA pitching prospect, Brian Bannister... Benson could be an adequate #2 starter, however, he's rather injury prone, but actually did have a brilliant 2nd half for the Mets....

And the prospects of getting to see his wife routinely is enough of a reason to make this deal. As a pitcher, you're correct in saying he's an adequate #2-#3 pitcher. Arizona could do worse. Bannister's a pretty solid prospect also, so that wouldn't be too bad of a deal.

Another rumor (isolated from all the Vazquez discussion) linked Yorvit Torrealba being dealt to the Dbacks... I dont believe the Mariners would demand too much for him...He's shown some decent stats during limited playing time and is now expendable since the Mariners signed Johjima... In fact... Torrealba could also be a pretty good long-term solution at a position in which the Dbacks have somewhat struggled with since the inception of their franchise... Only Damien Miller showed some consistency over a relatively longer amount of time....

Yorvit would be a nice acquisition and as you mentioned, would probably come cheap. It'd be nice to see him develop in Arizona and the prospects of sticking it to the Giants would make it well worth looking it.

As for the idea of Pierre coming to Arizona, I'd be in second Heaven, however not if the expense is Jackson or Quentin.

 

[Espo]

I don't know Ryan. I may be willing to part with Jackson...may sound stupid but I am not sold on him being MLB top tier like Drew or Quentin seem to be. Based on what KLL is saying though, Jackson wouldn't appear to be a real need for them.

I wouldn't rule out Javy being traded to FLA and then moved from there (3 team deal)...that is still possible if the Marlins have their eyes on some other prospect somewhere.

I would love Pierre to play CF for the Dbacks.

I got the chance to work with the tucson sidewinders this past summer and saw both Jackson and Quentin and if I had to give up a prospect it would be Quentin. He didn't seem to have what it takes mentaly to get the job done. I think Pierre would be a much better outfielder for this team for the long term. Jackson should not be traded. The guy will be solid at 1st for years to come.

 

[overseascardfan]

It's definately either Quentin or Drew. I have a feeling it is Drew to team up w/ Ramirez and possibly to enable them to trade Castillo

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I wouldn't rule out Javy being traded to FLA and then moved from there (3 team deal)...that is still possible if the Marlins have their eyes on some other prospect somewhere.

Ironically, I was about to suggest a 3-way deal between the Dbacks, Marlins, and Red Sox....

One scenario (but not completely thought-out):

Dbacks send Vazquez, Cintron, and Valverde to the Marlins for Pierre, Lo Duca (and a prospect)....Subsequently, Marlins then would trade Vazquez to the Red Sox for some more of their prospects....

It's hilarious to note how now the Red Sox have a surplus of prospects especially considering when only Fossum, Lyon, Mike Doss, and De La Rosa were the best available in the Schilling trade.... I just dont want the Dbacks to get "fleeced" (like they have in most of their recent "blockbuster" trades), but then I must remind myself that they're now under new management, but I wont begin those debates again.....

 

[Diamondback Jay]

It's definately either Quentin or Drew. I have a feeling it is Drew to team up w/ Ramirez and possibly to enable them to trade Castillo

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd Pete Rose my reputation to bet it's NOT going to be Drew.

 

[The Commish]

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd Pete Rose my reputation to bet it's NOT going to be Drew.

Agreed. There is no way the DBacks went through all that trouble of signing him, having him tear up the minors, just to include him in a deal for Juan Pierre.

 

[devilfan02]

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd Pete Rose my reputation to bet it's NOT going to be Drew.

It better not be Drew. He's proving everyday that he's on a mission to be a great MLB player. We also have to remember that we have yet to sign Upton........... Who knows, Upton may choose to go back to the draft and if we trade Drew we're stuck with Santos. Not very smart. If I had money on it, I'd say Quentin is the bait. Like Espo said, I've heard from numerous people that Quentin is a headcase and goes on major slumps. If we trade him, who will replace Gonzo??? I still think that Pierre would be a major upgrade to this team and I think I would be willing to give up Quentin. Def not Jackson or Drew, no way.

 

[Espo]

If we trade him, who will replace Gonzo???

I think finding a servicable corner outfielder is easier to find than a solid shortstop or first basemen. I would rather take a chance on trading Quentin and finding a replacement for Gonzo than trading Drew or Jackson and trying to find SS/1B. The real question is what happens with Upton? Could he possibly play corner outfield or does he go back into the draft?

 

[devilfan02]

I think finding a servicable corner outfielder is easier to find than a solid shortstop or first basemen. I would rather take a chance on trading Quentin and finding a replacement for Gonzo than trading Drew or Jackson and trying to find SS/1B. The real question is what happens with Upton? Could he possibly play corner outfield or does he go back into the draft?

We better sign Upton. Scouts everywhere said this is a once ina lifetime type of player. Leave it to our front office to not sign him. Didn't they learn their lesson last offseason with Drew??? We almost lost him and know we're doing the same with Upton. I heard Upton only wants 1 mill more but the Dbacks wont give in. Come on.... I agree 100% on replacing Gonzo. There are numerous power hitting LF's that we could get in FA or by trade in the future. good hitting SS's are very hard to come by. SIGN UPTON, KEEP DREW

 

[Diamondback Jay]

One thing you said puzzled me however.

They don't do sign-and-trades in baseball.

 

[AZZenny]

The only 'issue' with Carlos Quentin is that he's a bookish introvert (as is Drew, btw) and a total perfectionist. No major slumps that I've seen in following him closely for two years. He has brief slides, esp when he's working on some new aspect of batting, as does everyone in the minors, but he's really been pretty consistent. Heck - Drew has had a couple relatively dry spells here and there, too. I'd hate to dump any guy with great ceiling (and who'll be really cheap for years to come) just because he goes a couple days w/o a big hit now and then.

The concern I heard was Chip Hale's publically expressed worry that if CQ was put into the same kind of confusing, confidence-battering situation as Conor Jackson (at the time his comments were made), or as Lyle Overbay, and several other top prospects in the past, he would probably take it hard - as did Overbay, if you recall.

Which was as close to a public criticism of last-year's on-field and FO management as a minor league manager dares to make. One reason CJ got the first nod was they felt he would be more resilient if he faced initial struggles.

CQ is shouldn't be traded - nor CJ, nor Drew. After that - hey, take your pick. Especially not for the over-rated likes of Pierre. I mean - what makes you think we have a manager who'll know how to use speed anyhow?

 

[KingLouieLouie]

All of this is contingent on of course the Dbacks signing Upton and actually acquiring Pierre...

I believe Pierre has a 2-year contract (which would be enough time for him to occupy CF once Upton is ML ready)... Even if they decided to extend Pierre's contract...I still contend that Upton would be suited to start at 2B and be paired-up as the DP combo with Drew....

I wonder if Jon Zeringue could finally live up to his potential and replace Gonzo (that is if Quentin is included in any trade)... or perhaps some team might be willing to accept either Zeringue or Terrero is some trade package.....

Jarred Ball has started to flourish (especially in this past AZFL) and could immediately advance up the ranks....

We also shouldnt overlook that either D'Antona or Chris Carter might warrant some interest as well (perhaps D'Antona could be included in the Marlins trade).... I wish Marland Williams could finally polish his offensive skill (especially becoming more plate-disciplined), however, he's getting past the stage of being considered a prospect and he hasnt shown much improvement....

I think the "wild card" here is Chad Tracy...... Come to think of it... The best case scenario is still for Gonzo to be traded to an AL team (so he could DH, which would further extend his career) and then (there have been several rumors circulating about his departure, but dont know if anyone would be willing to take on his lucrative contract obviously), trade Glaus... Then, with all that money eliminated off the payroll..they could still manage to afford Jeff Weaver....If they dont deem Drew ready for '06, then as I suggested awhile ago, the Dbacks should pursue Aurllia

The rotation:

1)Jeff Weaver
2)Brandon Webb
3)Ortiz
4)Vargas/Nippert?
5)Halsey

The line-up:
1) Pierre-CF
2) Counsell-2B
3) Lo Duca-C
4) Tracy-3B
5) Green-RF
6) Clark/Jackson 1B
7) Quentin-LF
8) Aurilia-SS


I must admit that I'm not too enamored with both that rotation and line-up, however, Counsell is still fairly servicable and Aurilia would be a low-risk bargain until Drew proves himself fully capable to be an every day ML SS.... The Dbacks wont acquire any other top pitchers in the FA market and no one would be willing to take Ortiz off the Dbacks hands and he'll pretty much win a spot in the rotation out of default.....

Edit: A major oversight on my part... The Dbacks would definitely have to net a legit ML starting pitcher in any deal that would involve Glaus, so that pitcher would occupy one of the spots of the rotation... Also, no guarantees that Vargas is returning back to AZ....

Also.. .I know of course it's all hypothetical since it's highly unlikely that either (or both) Gonzo and Glaus would be traded during this offseason.....

 

[devilalum]

Unlike many others I've never had a problem with trading a top prospect for a player that might get you to the promised land.

Unfortunately the promised land is about a million miles from the BOB Chase Park. The Dbacks don't have big bucks to spend and they don't have the talent to compete for a Pennant next year or any time in the near future.

DOes anybody here think the Dbacks might make a run at Konerko? I heard they might be interseted and it looks like the Sox are gonna let him walk now that they have Thome. He is a free agent, right?

 

[devilalum]

Forgot about the AL abomination. Thome will probably DH.

 

[devilalum]

The rotation:

1)Jeff Weaver
2)Brandon Webb
3)Ortiz
4)Vargas/Nippert?
5)Halsey

That pitching staff is not very good. If Ortiz is the #3 starter all year the Dbacks will not win 80 games.