Dbacks begin Pierre trade talks with FLA

[Lefty]

Unfortunately the promised land is about a million miles from the BOB Chase Park. The Dbacks don't have big bucks to spend and they don't have the talent to compete for a Pennant next year or any time in the near future.

DOes anybody here think the Dbacks might make a run at Konerko? I heard they might be interseted and it looks like the Sox are gonna let him walk now that they have Thome. He is a free agent, right?

If they don't have the money how are they going to sign Konerko?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I think finding a servicable corner outfielder is easier to find than a solid shortstop or first basemen. I would rather take a chance on trading Quentin and finding a replacement for Gonzo than trading Drew or Jackson and trying to find SS/1B. The real question is what happens with Upton? Could he possibly play corner outfield or does he go back into the draft?

The Diamondbacks have a few in their own system who I feel could be very good players at the Major League level.

I'm really high on this Carlos Gonzalez. He reminds me a LOT of Miguel Cabrera, meaning I'd like to see him next season in Tucson, then he could possibly wind up on the MLB roster for good in 2007.

I also am high on the Josh Kroeger and Jon Zeringue bandwagon.

Point being this. If it comes down to Carlos Quentin standing in the way of a possible deal for Juan Pierre or Carl Crawford, I'd feel a hell of a lot better after trading him than I would if Jackson or Drew were dealt.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

That pitching staff is not very good. If Ortiz is the #3 starter all year the Dbacks will not win 80 games.

I'm not either... It's probably the most logical considering that Kendrick still wants to "cap" the Dbacks payroll at $65 mil.... I wonder what Kenny Rogers' asking price is? Perhaps Jason Johnson (formerly of the Tigers), Tony Armas (Nationals), or Jamey Wright (Rockies) could be had at a cheap price....

Unfortunately, regardless..it appears more likely that we're stuck with Ortiz as the #3 or #4 starter because of what had to be one of the worst miscalculated FA signings in quite some time....

Although, if the Dbacks managed to remove both Glaus and Gonzo off the payroll, that would clear-off roughly $14 mil...they would only be adding around $8-9 mil (between Pierre and Lo Duca), and I believe Weaver would cost about $4-5 mil..which might leave enough to get someone such as Loazia or any of the 2nd tier FA pitchers that are on the market.... They still would have enough to acquire a veteran closer of merit and also to re-sign Worrell or get Bobby Howry...

If the Marlins deal didnt materialize, then I would envision Benson becoming the Dbacks starter and then making that trade with Seattle for Torrealba (who wouldnt cost the Dbacks more than a lower AA prospect).... Then, they still might be able to get one of those aforementioned FA starters..

1) Weaver
2) Webb
3) Benson
4) Ortiz/Vargas
5) Halsey

The latter would be the best case scenario for a rotation, however, the team would still lack offensively..... I just hope Byrnes and the "braintrust" are creative as well as successful in all their offseason dealings.... They better not jeopardize the long-term potential of this franchise or else....

 

[nathan]

I also am high on the Josh Kroeger and Jon Zeringue bandwagon.

You're just about the only one.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

You're just about the only one.

You're probably right.

 

[devilalum]

If they don't have the money how are they going to sign Konerko?

They don't have the money to buy an entire team but they could make one or two big signings especially if the dump Glaus and Vasquez's salaries.

I just heard that the Dbacks were interested in Konerko, I didn't say it was sane.

 

[FinleyLover]

If Conor or Carlos for Pierre (or equivalent overrated player) happens, then this team is doomed for a long, long, time.

And I want Byrnes to look us in the eye and tell us it was HIS decision.

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It better NOT be Conor...

 

[AZZenny]

Just heard rumor Cubs are dealing for Pierre. Phew! Be nice if they saved us from ourselves.

WSCR 670 in Chicago is reporting that the Cubs are close to acquiring Juan Pierre from the Marlins for three prospects.

One would be left-hander Renyel Pinto. According to the report, center fielder Felix Pie wouldn't be involved. Another expendable reliever probably would be. Roberto Novoa or Jermaine Van Buren could help the Marlins. Nov. 23 - 9:10 pm et

 

[devilalum]

Just heard rumor Cubs are dealing for Pierre. Phew! Be nice if they saved us from ourselves.

If its true that the Dbacks were going to trade one of the big 3 for Pierre don't you think its just a matter of time until they trade one for someone else?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

If its true that the Dbacks were going to trade one of the big 3 for Pierre don't you think its just a matter of time until they trade one for someone else?

My option 2 was Carl Crawford, who I'm hearing MAY be dealt for the right price.

Crawford for one of the Big 3 is one of those deals I actually would be highly in favor of.

 

[Phill11]

Read this on the MLB RealGm.com forums

"670 The Score in Chicago and RotoWorld are reporting that the Cubs have finalized their deal for center fielder Juan Pierre. Left-handed starter Renyel Pinto and two other unknown prospects will head to the Marlins in the deal."

 

[The Commish]

Read this on the MLB RealGm.com forums

"670 The Score in Chicago and RotoWorld are reporting that the Cubs have finalized their deal for center fielder Juan Pierre. Left-handed starter Renyel Pinto and two other unknown prospects will head to the Marlins in the deal."

 

[Phill11]

I haven't heard much of those prospects. If we were smart we could have pulled a trigger on a similar deal that would be like: Santos and 2 more minor prospects.

But I guess Chicago beat us to the punch.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

My option 2 was Carl Crawford, who I'm hearing MAY be dealt for the right price.

Crawford for one of the Big 3 is one of those deals I actually would be highly in favor of.

I wonder how recent those reports were since I read about a couple of weeks ago that Carl Crawford is virtually an untouchable... For most accounts, the Devil Rays new management is finally developing a committment toward winning (and to earn fans in FL) and begun doing so when they signed Crawford to a long-term deal last year and just did the same w/Rocco Baldelli who will be among the cornerstone of a franchise that has realized that they must build a solid foundation of young talent and then add some veterans into the mix.... Crawford has the potential to win the gold-glove on an annual basis and with his combination of speed and power..no way would someone just trade him... Plus.. even if they did..they would demand one of the elite Dbacks prospects in return.....

I still wouldnt mind Johnny Damon, however, I'm fully aware he's well beyond the Dbacks price-range and his skills have diminished some, however, he's still one of the best CF in the game.... Another option could be Kenny Lofton... He could be had at a bargain and still has at least 2-3 years left (which would be ideal since that would give enough time for one of the Dbacks CF prospects to fully blossom and be ML ready), but I dont know if Lofton would be willing to sign with a team that might not be immediate World Series calibre team....

Or the Dbacks could go the route of pursuing Juan Encarnacion and put him in RF and Green in CF, but he has never lived-up to his "5-tool" potential and is rather injury prone....

Then there are Torii Hunter (but do not know how much the Twins would demand for him) or Jacque Jones, however, Jones lacks in the crucial areas, mainly with a low OBP and OPS along with the fact that he Ks too frequently for a lead-off hitter...

It appears more than likely that Luis Terrero may have another opportunity to become the regular CF this year since all the viable CF options have for the most part been dealt already or would cost players that the DBacks arent fully inclined to sacrifice....

 

[devilfan02]

I havent heard any Crawford rumors either. He's a typical D-Ray- 24 yrs old with bright future due $625,000 in '06. I don't understand why they would trade him when he's making that much money (although his contract could be expiring soon). I would love to have him, prob more than Pierre, but I don't see him going anywhere. Where are you hearing that rumor?

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I havent heard any Crawford rumors either. He's a typical D-Ray- 24 yrs old with bright future due $625,000 in '06. I don't understand why they would trade him when he's making that much money (although his contract could be expiring soon). I would love to have him, prob more than Pierre, but I don't see him going anywhere. Where are you hearing that rumor?

Actually... Crawford signed (please click on this link) a 4-year extension, but does include a 2-year option that might drive the contract up to $32.5 mil.... That was a very wise move considering that it was prior to Crawford's break-thru season (which happened last year), so his contract will essentially amount to a bargain since he still hasnt completely lived up to his full-potential (which is tremendously high)....

I dont know if the Devil Rays could be a potential destination for Vazquez, however, if it was..the Dbacks could tap into the plethora of top OF prospects in the Devil Rays organization (such as Delmon Young orJoey Garthright). Although, I do not honestly think that the Devil Rays would be willing to add his lucrative contract with the other ones they've signed over the past couple of offseasons....

It just seems more likely that Terrero will receive the bulk of the playing-time in CF.. unless that is Byrnes and Co. will be creative/resourceful enough to trade for a legit CF without sacrificing their top-prospects... another alternative is still Kenny Lofton, but do not know if he would sign here in AZ..

 

[devilfan02]

I doubt they take on Javys contract. I have a feeling the Mets will be the suitor for Javy. Are the NY teams on his list of seven teams he would nix a trade to?? I don't think so but after his experience in NY, I wouldn't doubt it. I know Colorado, Seattle and Philly are on his list. I predict we send Javy to the Mets for Benson and prospects. That would really piss me off cause Benson sucks. He's horrible and is making 7 or 8 mill a season. God, how awful was last years FA pitching signings- Fat Boy Ortiz, Benson, Wright, Pavano........... If Benson does come here, at least his wife will be above the dugout every game

 

[NavyVet]

Being a Pittsburgh homer, I hope we never take on Benson. Dude is a primadonna, entirely overrated, and is more into the whole celebrity thing with his wife than playing ball.

I'd like to see Javy dealt to Pittsburgh for Ian Snell and Kip Wells. Wells has some talent and needs a change of scenery, and Snell is young and a a bit of a headcase, but can throw.

 

[devilfan02]

Being a Pittsburgh homer, I hope we never take on Benson. Dude is a primadonna, entirely overrated, and is more into the whole celebrity thing with his wife than playing ball.

I'd like to see Javy dealt to Pittsburgh for Ian Snell and Kip Wells. Wells has some talent and needs a change of scenery, and Snell is young and a a bit of a headcase, but can throw.

Benson sucks. No way Pitt takes on Javys contract. If they do, we better get more than Wells and Snell . Ughh

 

[boondockdrunk]

Benson sucks. No way Pitt takes on Javys contract. If they do, we better get more than Wells and Snell . Ughh

He is now with the Mets. However, I would rather have Zambrano from NY with the pitching prospect they are offering.

 

[devilfan02]

He is now with the Mets. However, I would rather have Zambrano from NY with the pitching prospect they are offering.

I know, We were talikg about Benson then I switched to another topic (Pitt). I said that Javys prob gonna end up with the mets in exchange for Benson and prospects. He said we should trade Javy to Pitt for wells and snell of which I said we shouldn't

 

[boondockdrunk]

I know, We were talikg about Benson then I switched to another topic (Pitt). I said that Javys prob gonna end up with the mets in exchange for Benson and prospects. He said we should trade Javy to Pitt for wells and snell of which I said we shouldn't

I would prefer Wells and Snell, but that is for monetary reasons only. I don't like Benson at all and with his contract he is even less appealing (no matter how cute his wife is). Kip still has a ton of potential and Snell is supposed to be a good pitching prospect. However, neither trade is ideal and if I was looking for a decent starter I would have to take the Benson trade.

My main problem with Benson is the fact that his HR numbers went up when he moved to NY. Not a good sign, because it is tough to hit one out of the Met's stadium. How do you guys think he will do in AZ?

 

[devilfan02]

I would prefer Wells and Snell, but that is for monetary reasons only. I don't like Benson at all and with his contract he is even less appealing (no matter how cute his wife is). Kip still has a ton of potential and Snell is supposed to be a good pitching prospect. However, neither trade is ideal and if I was looking for a decent starter I would have to take the Benson trade.

I dont like benson at all. He is WAY too much money for a very avg pitcher. Pitt wont take on Javys contract so we should stop talking about it. I don't know what Zambrano makes but I think i'd rather have him than benson. We better get some damn good prospects if benson or zambrano are included

 

[Toro]

Benson's wife is very hot and likes to take care of business.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Benson's wife is very hot and likes to take care of business.

Hows her fastball?