DeAngelo Williams vs LenDale White

[NEZCardsfan]

To me, it looks like Dennis Green will be picking a RB with our 1st pick. Up until this weekend I thought for sure LenDale White was the guy I wanted.

I usually watch the Senior Bowl for guys that play for bad teams, Mid Major conferences, or small schools. I was looking at guys like Hackney, Cutler, D Williams, and Trueblood.

DeAngelo didn't dissappoint, now I am split whether I'd like Williams or White in Cardinal Red.

DeAngelo Williams:
Pros: Back to back 2000 yard seasons. Appears to have the ability to make the 8th man miss in the NFL. Didn't appear to take head on hits in the bowl game and Sr. Bowl. Showed good hands yesterday. Played in 44 of 49 career games. Workhorse back: 10 games 30+ rushes, 8 games 25-29 rushes, 9 games 20-24 rushes. Career 6.48 YPC.

Cons: 969 career carries, "wear on the tires". Raised questions about his toughness by sitting out a game in November. Small frame. Probably won't have elite track speed. Small school player, didn't pile up the stats against the best competition.

LenDale White:
Pros: Large frame. Only 541 career carries. Scored a touchdown every 10.4 rushes. Suited up for every game. In career games with 18+ carries: 152 rushes 1027 yards 8 TDs 6.8 ypc. Spent his college career killing the Sun Devils.

Cons: Seems to run upright, and has a large frame, could take some big hits in the NFL. Split carries with Bush in college, no real idea how he would handle 18+ carries a game in the NFL. Not a great pass receiver. Rumblings of off field trouble in Watts.


I, right now, don't know which camp to be in. I thought it would be White because he appears to be a logical solution to our RZ running woes. However, Williams looks like the kind of all-around back that Green may be searching for.

 

[Shane]

Deangelo Williams hands down.

 

[Avondale_Larry]

I fail to see enough of a difference between Williams and Arrington. Same weight, about the same height. Both lack elite speed, but Arrington is probably faster.

White is bigger, stronger, and more punishing--the exact sort of back who can help the O-line make holes as he runs through.

White would be an upgrade, and open a facet to our running attack we don't presently enjoy. Williams would be more of the same.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No way on Deangelo Williams....Williams maybe maybe a more talented runner than Arrington but there styles would be redundent and picking him would be saying that we wasted a pick on JJ only one year later, which i dont think Denny is ready to do. I hope DeAngelo keeps having a great offseason and tears up the Combine as well and then maybe NY at #4, SF at #6 or Det #9 would draft him pushing another stud player down. Right now we should all be hoping that guys who are in the 10-20 range start turning some heads and start moving into the top 10. I have many reasons i dont like Williams.

First is his refusal to play against tennessee this year. That was their biggest game against the toughest run defense and he, right before game time, sat himself out becaus eof his ankle. The injury was little enough that his head coach was second guessing his toughness and his team rallied to play UT to a tough game, even w/o their "best" player....SOmething about that says either he is too worried about his numbers or doesnt play through injury well. Either way that scares me off.

Besides at that size i want a burner and while fast he is not even close to a guy like Bush, who IMO runs tougher than Willams as well. I tried to watch him as many games as i could this year, and it seemed to me that he piled up numbers against inferior teams and that he was unable to handle the pressure of being the "man" going into this year and really tear it up like many projected for him...all those signs are worriesome.....now heres why i like White:

1) He played in a Pro Style offense. HIs blocking schemes and coaching are all at the highest level at SC and he excelled under those conditions.

2)One of your cons is that we dont know if he can handle the full load of carries. That makes me giggle. Thats more of a concern with a smaller back like Bush and no one seems to be discrediting his ability in the NFL. He is a big back and at the beginning of the season he was lamenting he was not getting enough carries. He never once looked like he was unable to handle the load and one of his best games (the Rose Bowl) was against the closest thing to NFL speed and defense he saw.

3) He runs up right but i dont remember thinking he gets hit square on. Thats Eddie George and he never reminded me of Eddie George. He pushes the pile with his size and it seems he has the speed to break it once he gets past the front 7.

4) His feet are amazing for a guy his size. He reminds me of a quicker and shiftier Jerome Bettis. Watch some tape and watch how small his steps are once he is in the hole. It is amazing how balanced he is and how quick his feet move.

5)He has a nose for the endzone. As i pointed out in another post he broke the record (AS A JUNIOR) for career TDs at the school that is known as tailback U. Thats ridiculous.

6)I think the facts that he shared carries with Bush is more of a pro than con. Bush is all world, yet Pete Carroll still found it necessary to get him carries. That says alot as i think Williams would have been riding the pine if he played at SC (that also has alot to do with their comprable sizes which goes back to my initial point about why Williams and Arrington would be redundent)

7) Whites running style doesnt need a good offensive line because even if he gets hit behind the line (which will happen in AZ), he doesnt go down after initial contact. Infact he craves contact which is something he will see a ton of here.

8) His style will also make Arrington more effective as White will pound and pound and tear away at the defense, while Arrington comes in and blasts for a Home Run. White will also pound a defense so they are softer in the fourth quarter which will make our passing game and running game more effective.Think Warrick Dunn/ Mike Alstott or even Duckett.

9) WHo would you rather have picking up the blitz for Warner? Williams or White? Nuff said....

Here are possibel cons:

-He played behind a outerworldly offensive line
-We have to find out more about his work ethic (theres a fine line between Jerome Bettis and TJ Duckett and it comes down to work)
-He doesnt have the hands of Williams (but in our offense i woul rather we have a stud TE and the rest of the balls go to Fitz and Q)

I am not a Williams guy at all and i will be pretty unhappy if we draft him.

And Shane i love ya, but you got to come a little stronger than "Williams hands down".....

You're on the clock.........

 

[az jam]

I was very impressed with Williams performance at the Senior Bowl. I think he can become a good pro. However I do agree with Arizona's Finest (nice write up!) that I would prefer LenDale White for the Cards. We really need a power back and White fills that need.

 

[imaCafan]

I think White is more than a power back....he's more like an every down back, don't ya' think??????

 

[Shane]

I fail to see enough of a difference between Williams and Arrington. Same weight, about the same height. Both lack elite speed, but Arrington is probably faster.

White is bigger, stronger, and more punishing--the exact sort of back who can help the O-line make holes as he runs through.

White would be an upgrade, and open a facet to our running attack we don't presently enjoy. Williams would be more of the same.

Sorry Larry but saying that our running game would be the same just based on measurables is just plain silly. Thats like saying that because we have JJ we should expect Ladainian Tomlinson type results. It just doesnt work. That is quite simply the silliest reason everyone keeps bringing up for not drafting D. Williams.

 

[Dan H]

I gotta go with White - it's all about the wear on the tires.

 

[az jam]

I think White is more than a power back....he's more like an every down back, don't ya' think??????

Absolutely. When I said he fills the need we have for a power back it meant that he can move the chains on third and short and also score rushing tds in the red zone. We don't have a RB that can do that. However, he could certainly end up being our feature back. Arrington could come in and be a so called "change of pace" rb (more of a speed back). The majority of carries would go to White.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Lendale, Hands up!

 

[Avondale_Larry]

Sorry Larry but saying that our running game would be the same just based on measurables is just plain silly. Thats like saying that because we have JJ we should expect Ladainian Tomlinson type results. It just doesnt work. That is quite simply the silliest reason everyone keeps bringing up for not drafting D. Williams.

Sorry Shane, but since we can't line up Williams for a few games in the Cardinal backfield to evaluate his potential, we just have to use the data we have available.

Silly is any suggestion to draft a 5'10" back this year.

Sign a proven FA or trade for one, but don't draft another question mark, thanks.

 

[PACardsFan]

Neither are top 10 picks. White probably will be a bust in the NFL & Williams will be injury-prone. If Cutler is there (Probably won't be), I'd scarf him up. Otherwise, take the BPA. I'd love either the DE from NC State or the one from Penn State. If Glendale played for anyone other than USC, he'd be a 3rd round pick. Williams is far more talented, but this guy just WON'T be able to stay on the field.

 

[john h]

To me, it looks like Dennis Green will be picking a RB with our 1st pick. Up until this weekend I thought for sure LenDale White was the guy I wanted.

I usually watch the Senior Bowl for guys that play for bad teams, Mid Major conferences, or small schools. I was looking at guys like Hackney, Cutler, D Williams, and Trueblood.

DeAngelo didn't dissappoint, now I am split whether I'd like Williams or White in Cardinal Red.

DeAngelo Williams:
Pros: Back to back 2000 yard seasons. Appears to have the ability to make the 8th man miss in the NFL. Didn't appear to take head on hits in the bowl game and Sr. Bowl. Showed good hands yesterday. Played in 44 of 49 career games. Workhorse back: 10 games 30+ rushes, 8 games 25-29 rushes, 9 games 20-24 rushes. Career 6.48 YPC.

Cons: 969 career carries, "wear on the tires". Raised questions about his toughness by sitting out a game in November. Small frame. Probably won't have elite track speed. Small school player, didn't pile up the stats against the best competition.

LenDale White:
Pros: Large frame. Only 541 career carries. Scored a touchdown every 10.4 rushes. Suited up for every game. In career games with 18+ carries: 152 rushes 1027 yards 8 TDs 6.8 ypc. Spent his college career killing the Sun Devils.

Cons: Seems to run upright, and has a large frame, could take some big hits in the NFL. Split carries with Bush in college, no real idea how he would handle 18+ carries a game in the NFL. Not a great pass receiver. Rumblings of off field trouble in Watts.


I, right now, don't know which camp to be in. I thought it would be White because he appears to be a logical solution to our RZ running woes. However, Williams looks like the kind of all-around back that Green may be searching for.

I am a White guy all the way. If JJ is going to be as good as some of you think then we do not need another small back. We need a bone crusher you can the ball to at the goal line. DeAngelo could very well be another JJ.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Neither are top 10 picks. White probably will be a bust in the NFL & Williams will be injury-prone. If Cutler is there (Probably won't be), I'd scarf him up. Otherwise, take the BPA. I'd love either the DE from NC State or the one from Penn State. If Glendale played for anyone other than USC, he'd be a 3rd round pick. Williams is far more talented, but this guy just WON'T be able to stay on the field.

And that my friends is an example of east coast bias.....

Living in south florida i am amazed how little respect SC got from everyone here and how most thought them, even after winning 34 straight, overratted......

To say Cutler will be better than White and than not substansiate at all with anything besides "if he didnt play at SC..." is kinda ludicrious....

Its not like they pull guys off Crenshaw and give em a uniform....theres a reason it seems they have the best players with the best production at that program....top 5 recruiting classes and good coaches developing you will do that for you....

 

[john h]

I think White is more than a power back....he's more like an every down back, don't ya' think??????

Yes I do and as to running upright there have been a number of pros who ran upright.

 

[john h]

Neither are top 10 picks. White probably will be a bust in the NFL & Williams will be injury-prone. If Cutler is there (Probably won't be), I'd scarf him up. Otherwise, take the BPA. I'd love either the DE from NC State or the one from Penn State. If Glendale played for anyone other than USC, he'd be a 3rd round pick. Williams is far more talented, but this guy just WON'T be able to stay on the field.

Somewhere along the way we need to draft what we need not just the BPA. We do not need no fricking receivers, kickers, punters and I am not even sure we need a DE with our first pick.

 

[seesred]

WE need Lendale in Glendale. White will do for us what no other player will do and that's to take the number 1 passing offense and have a back that can eat up time at the end of a game and put a lid on it. IMO! Get that hard yard and see the endzone for what it is a place to land in when it short and goal.

GBR
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[NEZCardsfan]

Sorry Shane, but since we can't line up Williams for a few games in the Cardinal backfield to evaluate his potential, we just have to use the data we have available.

Silly is any suggestion to draft a 5'10" back this year.

Sign a proven FA or trade for one, but don't draft another question mark, thanks.

You got to draft your skill players. You don't find a player like Bettis just laying around for 10 years of service, like the Steelers did.

 

[JeffGollin]

On size alone, I'd prefer White over Williams. But if size were the only criterion, why not draft Gabe Watson and make him a RB?

It's hard to compare the two RB's because they didn't appear in the same game together. But it would behoove us to drag out recent tape of Len Dale (like the Rose Bowl) and compare the two on the basis of their running styles, vision, power, decision-making in the hole, pass-catching skill etc.

That said, although it looks as though both RB's could be available at #10, I'm not sure they'd be the best available players on my board or for that matter Dennis' and Rods' (although I wouldn't rule that out).

And we still have the free agency period to see which needs we do or don't fill - not that need will be used as a valid criterion.

 

[spanky1]

No way on Deangelo Williams....Williams maybe maybe a more talented runner than Arrington but there styles would be redundent and picking him would be saying that we wasted a pick on JJ only one year later, which i dont think Denny is ready to do. I hope DeAngelo keeps having a great offseason and tears up the Combine as well and then maybe NY at #4, SF at #6 or Det #9 would draft him pushing another stud player down. Right now we should all be hoping that guys who are in the 10-20 range start turning some heads and start moving into the top 10. I have many reasons i dont like Williams.

First is his refusal to play against tennessee this year. That was their biggest game against the toughest run defense and he, right before game time, sat himself out becaus eof his ankle. The injury was little enough that his head coach was second guessing his toughness and his team rallied to play UT to a tough game, even w/o their "best" player....SOmething about that says either he is too worried about his numbers or doesnt play through injury well. Either way that scares me off.

Besides at that size i want a burner and while fast he is not even close to a guy like Bush, who IMO runs tougher than Willams as well. I tried to watch him as many games as i could this year, and it seemed to me that he piled up numbers against inferior teams and that he was unable to handle the pressure of being the "man" going into this year and really tear it up like many projected for him...all those signs are worriesome.....now heres why i like White:

1) He played in a Pro Style offense. HIs blocking schemes and coaching are all at the highest level at SC and he excelled under those conditions.

2)One of your cons is that we dont know if he can handle the full load of carries. That makes me giggle. Thats more of a concern with a smaller back like Bush and no one seems to be discrediting his ability in the NFL. He is a big back and at the beginning of the season he was lamenting he was not getting enough carries. He never once looked like he was unable to handle the load and one of his best games (the Rose Bowl) was against the closest thing to NFL speed and defense he saw.

3) He runs up right but i dont remember thinking he gets hit square on. Thats Eddie George and he never reminded me of Eddie George. He pushes the pile with his size and it seems he has the speed to break it once he gets past the front 7.

4) His feet are amazing for a guy his size. He reminds me of a quicker and shiftier Jerome Bettis. Watch some tape and watch how small his steps are once he is in the hole. It is amazing how balanced he is and how quick his feet move.

5)He has a nose for the endzone. As i pointed out in another post he broke the record (AS A JUNIOR) for career TDs at the school that is known as tailback U. Thats ridiculous.

6)I think the facts that he shared carries with Bush is more of a pro than con. Bush is all world, yet Pete Carroll still found it necessary to get him carries. That says alot as i think Williams would have been riding the pine if he played at SC (that also has alot to do with their comprable sizes which goes back to my initial point about why Williams and Arrington would be redundent)

7) Whites running style doesnt need a good offensive line because even if he gets hit behind the line (which will happen in AZ), he doesnt go down after initial contact. Infact he craves contact which is something he will see a ton of here.

8) His style will also make Arrington more effective as White will pound and pound and tear away at the defense, while Arrington comes in and blasts for a Home Run. White will also pound a defense so they are softer in the fourth quarter which will make our passing game and running game more effective.Think Warrick Dunn/ Mike Alstott or even Duckett.

9) WHo would you rather have picking up the blitz for Warner? Williams or White? Nuff said....

Here are possibel cons:

-He played behind a outerworldly offensive line
-We have to find out more about his work ethic (theres a fine line between Jerome Bettis and TJ Duckett and it comes down to work)
-He doesnt have the hands of Williams (but in our offense i woul rather we have a stud TE and the rest of the balls go to Fitz and Q)

I am not a Williams guy at all and i will be pretty unhappy if we draft him.

And Shane i love ya, but you got to come a little stronger than "Williams hands down".....

You're on the clock.........

Excellent assesment and I'm in total agreement with this post. If White can co-exist with Bush, each running to their respective strengths, then the same can happen with Arrington.

 

[spanky1]

Sorry Shane, but since we can't line up Williams for a few games in the Cardinal backfield to evaluate his potential, we just have to use the data we have available.

Silly is any suggestion to draft a 5'10" back this year.

Sign a proven FA or trade for one, but don't draft another question mark, thanks.

And Williams is 5'8" not 5'10" to boot.

 

[Pariah]

I'd be surprised if we took either, but not dissapointed.

I like Williams...a lot. I think he's going to be a really good back in the NFL. He's got the vision to find holes that don't seem to be there and the quicks to make good on them. As for size concerns and JJ Arrington, well, I'm roughly the same size as Reggie Bush--maybe I can be a first round pick?

I also really like White, but I'm not as high on him as many on this board. Yes, I do think his nose for the endzone will translate well to the NFL, but I don't think he's a panecea (sp?) for the offensive woes in the red zone. We still need to make strides along the offensive line (which, of course, we could still do if we draft him). As we all know, character issues are magnified in AZ because we've been so abysmal on the field. If he has any issues at all, they'll show up in spades the first time we lose three in a row in spectacular fashion and he's getting drilled 5 yards behind the line with regularity.

I think D. Williams has "it;" I don't know that White does. I think he'll probably be pretty good, but I'm just not sure about him being a special player.

 

[Pariah]

If JJ is going to be as good as some of you think

This is a serious question for the board: does anyone still have the same positive expectations of Arrington as many of us did during training camp last year?

 

[phillycard]

This is a serious question for the board: does anyone still have the same positive expectations of Arrington as many of us did during training camp last year?

I'm willing to give JJ another year before I label him a bust. I still believe in him, and I feel the coaching staff does too, which is why there is no way we draft a similar back in Williams if both he and L.W. are available. I shudder to think of a run game with a focused year 2 JJ, and a bowling ball like White. Do the damn thing!!

 

[Pariah]

I'm willing to give JJ another year before I label him a bust.

This is sort of my point, though. We went from thinking the kid was going to be Marshall Faulk v.2 to "well, I'm not going to call him a bust, yet."

Does anyone still think he'll be the next Faulk?