Decisions?

[Ohcrap75]

I will be stunned if we settle for a second for Rosen.

It's the ultimate sell low at that point and would be a huge indictment of how the organization views Rosen.

If it's not a first you keep Rosen regardless of the #1 pick

I'm with you that it would be a huge punch in the gut, but if we take Murray it's going to be hard for Rosens value to get much better. His low point right now might also be his highest going forward.

 

[Ohcrap75]

They’re doing their due diligence. It’s not like the draft is tomorrow. We’ll be fielding calls right up to the time we step up to the podium. You never know what somebody is going to offer us for the # 1 pick or Josh Rosen. Or as KK said, “ You don’t know what you don’t know.”

They have been telling teams Rosen isn't available. Even if other teams don't totally believe them, they have made/might make other moves. I didn't say to accept an offer, but let teams start the bidding now by letting them know he's available. Gettleman is a moron, maybe he gets anxious and offers #6? We take it then dive deeper to explore options for that pick. Waiting only eliminates possibilities if we are taking Murray

 

[slanidrac16]

What is good value for Rosen? We could get a first and end up with a Wendell Bryant. We could get a second and third and end up with Darnell Dockett and Budda Baker. Still comes down to drafting the right guy. If we were to get a second and a third we could always package some picks and move back into the first round. So many possibilities and variables. There is a scenario where we could trade down with the Raiders . They draft Bosa and we STILL end up with Murray with the # 4 pick. The risk there is somebody trading up with the 49ers or Jets to get Murray. But for them to trade would mean losing Allen or Williams.

 

[slanidrac16]

They have been telling teams Rosen isn't available. Even if other teams don't totally believe them, they have made/might make other moves. I didn't say to accept an offer, but let teams start the bidding now by letting them know he's available. Gettleman is a moron, maybe he gets anxious and offers #6? We take it then dive deeper to explore options for that pick. Waiting only eliminates possibilities if we are taking Murray

I see where you’re coming from but that is what the public is being told. It could be more like , “ Rosen is not available for THAT offer.”

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

The best scenario has been there since the end of season:

1. Commit to Rosen
2. Upgrade O-line in FA
3. Draft BPA at #1 (Bosa)
4. Trade #1 to Oakland (Bosa)
5. Select BPA at #4, 27, etc.

And don't get distracted by shiny things!

As in shiny little 5'8" QB's lol

 

[daves]

I still can't understand why they wouldn't be openly shopping Rosen right now if they were set on Murray. There is nothing in the way of that plan or anything gained from being so tightlipped. They should've done this before FA and Jacksonville and Denver would've been in the mix. The only advantage to slow play is to create the impression that you aren't taking Murray to increase trade value for the pick. Again, what is gained if the decision is made with Murray?

Two things... (1) However unlikely, Murray could suffer a fluke injury between now and the draft (car accident, whatever) or could be arrested, etc. Until the day of the draft, you can't be SURE you're going to take Murray, so to shop Rosen openly before then would be a bad move. (2) It would be a heck of a gambit, but the Cardinals could be interested in trading down with the Raiders, and STILL taking Murray at #4. If he's not there, they keep Rosen and pretend they were never all that interested in Murray. If he's there, THEN they take him and pull the trigger on a deal they have quietly lined up for Rosen. But if they openly shop Rosen before the draft, then end up being "stuck" with him... again, no bueno!

...dave

 

[dscher]

As in shiny little 5'8" QB's lol

This team needs some excitement. Let's live a little..

 

[GatorAZ]

Two things... (1) However unlikely, Murray could suffer a fluke injury between now and the draft (car accident, whatever) or could be arrested, etc. Until the day of the draft, you can't be SURE you're going to take Murray, so to shop Rosen openly before then would be a bad move. (2) It would be a heck of a gambit, but the Cardinals could be interested in trading down with the Raiders, and STILL taking Murray at #4. If he's not there, they keep Rosen and pretend they were never all that interested in Murray. If he's there, THEN they take him and pull the trigger on a deal they have quietly lined up for Rosen. But if they openly shop Rosen before the draft, then end up being "stuck" with him... again, no bueno!

...dave

Are you saying he can’t see over the dash?

Sorry had to.

 

[TJ]

This team needs some excitement. Let's live a little..

Operative word: “little.”

 

[slanidrac16]

Two things... (1) However unlikely, Murray could suffer a fluke injury between now and the draft (car accident, whatever) or could be arrested, etc. Until the day of the draft, you can't be SURE you're going to take Murray, so to shop Rosen openly before then would be a bad move. (2) It would be a heck of a gambit, but the Cardinals could be interested in trading down with the Raiders, and STILL taking Murray at #4. If he's not there, they keep Rosen and pretend they were never all that interested in Murray. If he's there, THEN they take him and pull the trigger on a deal they have quietly lined up for Rosen. But if they openly shop Rosen before the draft, then end up being "stuck" with him... again, no bueno!

...dave

I think this is exactly what the cards should do. If the raiders want to move up for Bosa cool. If somebody jumps up to #2 or #3 to take Murray okay, that means Williams or Allen or ( you fill in the name ) will be there at #4. We forge ahead with extra picks. If Murray is there at #4 we could take him and still have the extra picks even if we don’t trade Rosen.

 

[Veer]

Decisions have to be made. If Murray is deemed a great fit in KK's offense and a better QB talent than Rosen and things work out that way, it's all about selling Rosen to the highest bidder and never look back. The Cards (and Rosen) never expected to be in the situation to have the 1st overall pick. That's the reason why pulling the plug on Rosen, who hasn't shown anything to get excited about, should be the decision. Cardinal decision.