Defensive end a permanent Dockett spot

[Duckjake]

Russ:

It's only fair to note that Dennis Johnson declared for the draft a year early, and was taken in the third. In hindsight, he might have been better served to have played his senior year, and added some bulk before trying to make it in the NFL.

If Johnson gets cut, I'll bet he's picked up and plays somewhere else.

WC

I think Dennis is one of those players who stinks in practice but plays well in games.

My daughter is like that with her softball. 70% in practice 110% in games. I've told her a 100 times it's going to get her a seat on the bench while less talented kids who hustle in practice play ahead of her.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Name another 6-4, 301lb DE who can rush the QB? Most DE's in the league
are 260-280 and can get upfield. I just don't see it.

You're right.I guess they should just chuck the move after one half of one pre-season game. We should play JOhnson there because he weighs about 265lbs.Forget playmaking ability,Dockett doesn't fit the mold.What a wasted draft pick.Cut his ass.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think Dennis is one of those players who stinks in practice but plays well in games.

My daughter is like that with her softball. 70% in practice 110% in games. I've told her a 100 times it's going to get her a seat on the bench while less talented kids who hustle in practice play ahead of her.

Of course you do understand that your daughter can't be 10% over 100%...

 

[Duckjake]

Of course you do understand that your daughter can't be 10% over 100%...

My dollars were worth 30% over 100% in Toronto last Summer.

 

[CaptTurbo]

My dollars were worth 30% over 100% in Toronto last Summer.

Toronto is gorgeous.

 

[spanky1]

Toronto is gorgeous.

The entire country is gorgeous.........too bad you get taxed to death there.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

My dollars were worth 30% over 100% in Toronto last Summer.

Good one....

 

[Duckjake]

The entire country is gorgeous.........too bad you get taxed to death there.

We really enjoyed Ontario, but we like Alberta better. Alberta is sort of similar to Texas, Oil,Cattle, wide open spaces and with added benefit of the Canadian Rockies...Wow.

But we couldn't find a Defensive End in either place.

 

[spanky1]

We really enjoyed Ontario, but we like Alberta better. Alberta is sort of similar to Texas, Oil,Cattle, wide open spaces and with added benefit of the Canadian Rockies...Wow.



But we couldn't find a Defensive End in either place.

Calgary, Alberta..............home sweet home..............but love livin' in the good ole US of A.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

We really enjoyed Ontario, but we like Alberta better. Alberta is sort of similar to Texas, Oil,Cattle, wide open spaces and with added benefit of the Canadian Rockies...Wow.

But we couldn't find a Defensive End in either place.

No Def... ends!

Evidently, you didn't notice or hear of the superb play of one - JABARI ISSA - for the Edmonton Eskimoes...

 

[CardLogic]

I'm getting in late on this thread... But I thought that I would point out that
Urban's initial paragraph has an incorrect premise: "Darnell Dockett — drafted specifically because he could play the “under” tackle in Green’s scheme".

No Darren, Dockett was drafted because at the Cardinals pick in the third round he was the best player available!

Regarding Dockett's move to DE the logic is simple. Green is aware that other than Berry and Dockett none of the other Cardinals DL have shown the burst to get to the QB. So in moving Dockett to DE it places the Cardinals 2nd best pass rusher on the End.

Makes sense to me. I am just disappointed that none of the other DE's has shown enough to allow Green to keep Dockett at UT.

 

[joeshmo]

No Darren, Dockett was drafted because at the Cardinals pick in the third round he was the best player available!

Regarding Dockett's move to DE the logic is simple. Green is aware that other than Berry and Dockett none of the other Cardinals DL have shown the burst to get to the QB. So in moving Dockett to DE it places the Cardinals 2nd best pass rusher on the End.

Makes sense to me. I am just disappointed that none of the other DE's has shown enough to allow Green to keep Dockett at UT.

Bingo.

 

[clif]

I'm getting in late on this thread... But I thought that I would point out that
Urban's initial paragraph has an incorrect premise: "Darnell Dockett — drafted specifically because he could play the “under” tackle in Green’s scheme".

No Darren, Dockett was drafted because at the Cardinals pick in the third round he was the best player available!

Regarding Dockett's move to DE the logic is simple. Green is aware that other than Berry and Dockett none of the other Cardinals DL have shown the burst to get to the QB. So in moving Dockett to DE it places the Cardinals 2nd best pass rusher on the End.

Makes sense to me. I am just disappointed that none of the other DE's has shown enough to allow Green to keep Dockett at UT.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm getting in late on this thread... But I thought that I would point out that
Urban's initial paragraph has an incorrect premise: "Darnell Dockett — drafted specifically because he could play the “under” tackle in Green’s scheme".

No Darren, Dockett was drafted because at the Cardinals pick in the third round he was the best player available!

Regarding Dockett's move to DE the logic is simple. Green is aware that other than Berry and Dockett none of the other Cardinals DL have shown the burst to get to the QB. So in moving Dockett to DE it places the Cardinals 2nd best pass rusher on the End.

Makes sense to me. I am just disappointed that none of the other DE's has shown enough to allow Green to keep Dockett at UT.

Well Green himself declared Dockett the perfect UT after he drafted him, so that's where Urban's comment about drafting him to play UT came from.

And Dockett's pass rushing success in college all came as a DT, it's a completely different style pass rushing from DE and DT, Dockett himself has said this, he's learning.

he's talented and size wise he's closer to a DE than a DT at his college weight, but most teams that looked at him saw a borderline undersized DT, not a big DE.

I hope it works but my gut tells me Green is keeping him at LDE right now because he thinks it'll look stupid to move him back to UT so quickly. And with King's injury, I seriously doubt anybody would blame DG for switching Dockett back. I think that and sending a message by starting Kolodziej is the real reason for this decision.

If you read, Dockett clearly had no idea this was going to be permanent and isn't too thrilled, but he wants to play so he's willing to make the switch. It's pretty clear DG wasn't telling him for months you can play DE for me.

 

[mdsisquo]

I don't see why Dockett can't be for us what Trevor Pryce is for the Bronco's. Price is one of the best all around DE's in the leauge, and his build is very close to Docketts. I think this could work out. Another possibility is that King was so impressive in the UT role, that Green decided that the best line possible is Berry/king/?/Dockett. Green may want dockett to get a feel for playing end so next year he is more prepared to contribute. If he moves him to UT this year, it is essentially a waste of a year for dockett, because he will be giving that spot up to king next year when he is healthy.

 

[imaCafan]

I've seen Dockett listed at 6'3", and anywhere from 277 to 301 lbs. So which is closest to his actual size????

 

[clif]

I don't see why Dockett can't be for us what Trevor Pryce is for the Bronco's. Price is one of the best all around DE's in the leauge, and his build is very close to Docketts. I think this could work out. Another possibility is that King was so impressive in the UT role, that Green decided that the best line possible is Berry/king/?/Dockett. Green may want dockett to get a feel for playing end so next year he is more prepared to contribute. If he moves him to UT this year, it is essentially a waste of a year for dockett, because he will be giving that spot up to king next year when he is healthy.

That too is my opinion.. even though it is hard to say that King will be back next year. Dockett has shown a natural pass rushing skill. If I remember correctly he was in the back field a few times in the last preseason games even though he maybe ended up being out of position.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't see why Dockett can't be for us what Trevor Pryce is for the Bronco's. Price is one of the best all around DE's in the leauge, and his build is very close to Docketts. I think this could work out. Another possibility is that King was so impressive in the UT role, that Green decided that the best line possible is Berry/king/?/Dockett. Green may want dockett to get a feel for playing end so next year he is more prepared to contribute. If he moves him to UT this year, it is essentially a waste of a year for dockett, because he will be giving that spot up to king next year when he is healthy.

Nah, Pryce is listed as a FULL inch taller than Dockett

From what I saw of Dockett in college he made a living as a quick slasher who penetrated and disrupted. I don't see a lot of him running guys down as a DE has to, but I don't know his 40 time.

It's interesting, I ran into an ex coworker who's a huge Florida Gator fan(alum) and he said he detests Dockett with a passion and told me to do a search on Dockett vs Florida in 2002 to know why.

In that game, caught on tape, Dockett chased Rex Grossman out of bounds, and after the play intentionally tried to stomp on his throwing hand while Grossman was laying on the turf. Grossman moved his hand, and Dockett missed.

Later in the same game he grabbed Earnest Graham's foot in a pileup and intentionally twisted, it, spraining his knee and causing him to miss several weeks. A Palm Beach Post reporter had Dockett on tape in the locker room bragging "did you see what I did to Earnest Graham?"

Steve Spurrier was so incensed he took footage of the two incidents and sent them to Bobby Bowden and the ACC. Bowden declined to take any action, said "I've heard of twisting an ankle but how does a guy twist someone's knee?" He denied that Dockett had tried to injure anybody. It led to a pretty big blowup in the media between the 2 coaches and a lot of name calling.

I knew all about the tough life reputation of Dockett but i really hadn't heard about this incident before.

Here's a link to one account of the incidents

http://www.identitytheory.com/tourist/tourist1.html

Not sure what to make of this, the author is probably a Gator fan, I didn't see either incident, and in some ways having a player with a "mean streak" is good. But if he's intentionally injuring players, that's another thing entirely.

 

[clif]

Nah, Pryce is listed as a FULL inch taller than Dockett

From what I saw of Dockett in college he made a living as a quick slasher who penetrated and disrupted. I don't see a lot of him running guys down as a DE has to, but I don't know his 40 time.

It's interesting, I ran into an ex coworker who's a huge Florida Gator fan(alum) and he said he detests Dockett with a passion and told me to do a search on Dockett vs Florida in 2002 to know why.

In that game, caught on tape, Dockett chased Rex Grossman out of bounds, and after the play intentionally tried to stomp on his throwing hand while Grossman was laying on the turf. Grossman moved his hand, and Dockett missed.

Later in the same game he grabbed Earnest Graham's foot in a pileup and intentionally twisted, it, spraining his knee and causing him to miss several weeks. A Palm Beach Post reporter had Dockett on tape in the locker room bragging "did you see what I did to Earnest Graham?"

Steve Spurrier was so incensed he took footage of the two incidents and sent them to Bobby Bowden and the ACC. Bowden declined to take any action, said "I've heard of twisting an ankle but how does a guy twist someone's knee?" He denied that Dockett had tried to injure anybody. It led to a pretty big blowup in the media between the 2 coaches and a lot of name calling.

I knew all about the tough life reputation of Dockett but i really hadn't heard about this incident before.

Here's a link to one account of the incidents

http://www.identitytheory.com/tourist/tourist1.html

Not sure what to make of this, the author is probably a Gator fan, I didn't see either incident, and in some ways having a player with a "mean streak" is good. But if he's intentionally injuring players, that's another thing entirely.

i read that article before. Ernest graham was always injured. I really dont think the guy really tried to injure someone. If that was the case I am sure it would have come out on another game tape. lets not throw him to the wolves just yet.

 

[spanky1]

That too is my opinion.. even though it is hard to say that King will be back next year. Dockett has shown a natural pass rushing skill. If I remember correctly he was in the back field a few times in the last preseason games even though he maybe ended up being out of position.

Wherer is King going..........he's under contract for another few years. His wrist injury is not career threatening.

 

[spanky1]

I've seen Dockett listed at 6'3", and anywhere from 277 to 301 lbs. So which is closest to his actual size????

Dockett is 6'4'' and in college he weighed around 285-290.

 

[joeshmo]

I knew all about the tough life reputation of Dockett but i really hadn't heard about this incident before.

You havent heard much about it becuase it is nothing but pure speculation, mostly coming from Florida univeristy media. Not even the national media or predraft type guys have mentioned it as a problem. Not saying he did or didnt do it any fo those things, just take them with a grain of salt knowing where most of the speculation is coming from.

 

[clif]

Wherer is King going..........he's under contract for another few years. His wrist injury is not career threatening.

The guy has had two surgeries in less than a year. I would say there is a strong possibility that he does not come back.

 

[Wild Card]

In that game, caught on tape, Dockett chased Rex Grossman out of bounds, and after the play intentionally tried to stomp on his throwing hand while Grossman was laying on the turf. Grossman moved his hand, and Dockett missed.

Later in the same game he grabbed Earnest Graham's foot in a pileup and intentionally twisted, it, spraining his knee and causing him to miss several weeks. A Palm Beach Post reporter had Dockett on tape in the locker room bragging "did you see what I did to Earnest Graham?"

Russ:

Whether those incidents are true or anecdotal, Dockett better not try that kind of crap in the NFL. Pros get even.

WC

 

[Russ Smith]

You havent heard much about it becuase it is nothing but pure speculation, mostly coming from Florida univeristy media. Not even the national media or predraft type guys have mentioned it as a problem. Not saying he did or didnt do it any fo those things, just take them with a grain of salt knowing where most of the speculation is coming from.

Well it's not that hard to find articles about it. To be honest I'm amazed I'd never heard of it before, they actually call it "the battle of twisted knee."

Here's another link http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2001/12/17/spurrier_tape_ap/

If you google darnell dockett, battle of twisted knee you'll get about 205 links and many of them are not Florida university media.

And again, the first article claimed a Tampa writer had Dockett on tape bragging about injuring Graham.

Graham was so incensed he retained a lawyer intending to sue Dockett before changing his mind.

I really can't believe I had never heard of this, where's Wally when you need him?