Devin Booker future extension

[3rdside]

If you came 5th in a race 2 years ago, 7th last year, and 5th this year ... since you first started have you got worse, better or have you flatlined (hint: what’s the difference between 5th and 5th)?




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[CardsSunsDbacks]

If you came 5th in a race 2 years ago, 7th last year, and 5th this year ... since you first started have you got worse, better or have you flatlined (hint: what’s the difference between 5th and 5th)?




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I gotta say you confuse me. How does his ranking as a shooter determined if his personal percentages have flatlined? As was already mention his percentages have all increased from last year. That is the only thing Book has control over is his own percentages. If other players also raise their game and thus his ranking doesn’t change because of it, then that doesn’t mean he has flatlined.

 

[3rdside]

*flat lined leaning worse as your average result is 5.66


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[Hoop Head]

If you came 5th in a race 2 years ago, 7th last year, and 5th this year ... since you first started have you got worse, better or have you flatlined (hint: what’s the difference between 5th and 5th)?




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Completely different situation. It might make a little more sense if you said someone came in 5th in a 100 meter race, 7th in a 200 meter, and then 5th in the 200 meter. So have they gotten quicker? That's still not a great analogy though. The information doesn't translate well like that however that is much closer to than what you're trying to say.

You're only looking at one thing, without paying attention to any other aspects. Basketball is more than boxscores. If you watched more games I don't think you'd say that Booker is a poor shooter. When all you do is study boxscores and catch the occasional ESPN highlights though your view on the game as a whole is warped. You are the first and only person I've ever seen try to say that Booker is a poor shooter, it's ridiculous.

In his rookie season Booker only shot 11 times a game, last year he averaged 18 attempts and this year he's at 19 attempts. His shooting percentage went down with his increased usage last season but it has gone up this year. If he's still at the same usage level next year, or close to it, then it might be fair to say he's leveled off some but he's 21 years old and hasn't even played 3 full seasons. Nothing about his game has leveled off. He's years from hitting his prime compared to when other NBA players typically peak. He is clearly improving and if you watched him play then you'd see that and give up this foolish argument about him being a bad shooter. Did his field goal percentage go up compared to last year? Yes or no?

 

[3rdside]

What’s ridiculous:

- you needing to write War and Peace every single post.

- your odd comprehension of numbers and statistics.

- you continually telling me I’m calling him a bad shooter when I just haven’t.

- me entertaining your little man tirades.

- your name, Poophead.

I’m out.


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[ColdPickleNachos]

Who knew Devin Booker's shooting ability could be such a heated and controversial source of debate on an Arizona sports forum? Can't we all just get along so we can move on to more important topics like the players' hairstyles?

 

[Phrazbit]

1. What part of not-great 2pt% but good otherwise don't you understand?


2 .464% > .447% > .465% in years 1, 2, 3 - improving or flat lining 2pt shooting%?

- Find me a superstar who flatlined (because that's what the above is) their first three years.


3. Durant's 3rd year TS% of .607% - does that destroy Booker's .566% ?


4. I was actually talking about Efficiency metrics overall but yes, shooting came into it (see point 3. above) - either way, on Efficiency, does LBJ's 28.1 and Durant's 26.2 destroy Booker's 18.6?


These are all rhetorical questions for you to ponder by the way as I'm done with this thread.

You're not even comparing him to guys who play the same position! Wow, Booker has a lower PER than forwards who were gobbling up rebounds left and right... what a shocker.

At age 21 Curry and Booker put up essentially the same TS numbers, even giving less leeway for Booker and merely comparing Booker's 3rd season TS stats, they are better than Kobe Bryant, DeMar DeRozan, Westbrook, Allen Iverson, Damian Lillard (who was much older in his 3rd year), Vince Carter, Steve Nash (but he shot terribly in his first year in Dallas), some guy named Jordan, and... to my own shock, his are better than Ray Allen in Allen's 3rd season.

In my brief clicking around the only 2 big time guards who's names popped into my head and put up better TS% numbers in their 3rd year were Harden and Reggie Miller.

Also worth noting, most of those guys had some talent around them, Booker's best teammate is Warren, a dude who might qualify as a decent 6th man on a competitive
team.

So... again... any claim that Booker is "not a good shooter" is bat poo crazy and a notion that SHOOTING is portion of his game we should sweat is bonkers. He isn't just good, he is among the greatest ever for his age.

 

[3rdside]

Can someone please find where I said he’s not a good shooter?

Cheers


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[Phrazbit]

Change my criteria? Classic, from a guy who’s just brain farted regurgitated info at me twice in two posts.

Devin Booker is not an all around good shooter because his fg% and efg% are in the bottom half of the league and his ts% he’s 175th.

Frame it how you like but they are the facts.

Cheers.

 

[Phrazbit]

Ignoring the crazy shooting debate.

Booker has really blossomed as a play-maker. If we can somehow get some shooters (or someone who can finish reliably inside) his assists will go way up. Right now he is getting robbed of several assists per game as guys brick easy setups and he is getting charged with turnovers on plays where the ball bricks off some incompetent big man's hands.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cheers.

OH BURN

 

[Carolinacacti]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/leaders_season.html

Booker is in top five for points per game. Could move up so watch him start gunning.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Sure but it’s the best general single, levelled (adjusted for minutes and pace) indicator of a player’s output. Not perfect but definitely relevant.

And the classic example of its relevance is Booker - hang around this board long enough and you’d think he’s one step away from the MVP trophy at times until you look at his PER and you scratch your head wondering why it’s so low...he can’t shoot very well is why.


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I think this qualifies as saying he isn’t a good shooter...

 

[Mainstreet]

Booker is a good shooter. The problem is he is the Suns primary offensive weapon and teams game plan against him.

He did win the 3-point shooting contest at the All-Star game.

It's scary to think how good Booker could be if he had some shooters around him to give him more open looks.

Also Booker is carrying backup PG duties as well.

What more does the man have to do?

 

[Ronin]

http://amicohoops.net/suns-expected-to-offer-booker-five-year-max-in-summer/

 

[Mainstreet]

http://amicohoops.net/suns-expected-to-offer-booker-five-year-max-in-summer/

I think they will. Hopefully this is a no brainer for Sarver.

Booker just keeps getting better.

 

[3rdside]

Cheers.

This may be the longest time taken to reply to a message - i got hit with the biggest 2 week stress at work ever (9am - 10pm days), recovery drinks on the weekend (I rarely do anything hungover...) and have just finished snowboarding in Meribel - but better late than never as the saying goes.


Phrazbit - much like your view on Ingram which I called you out on (and which probably explains your cheap shot), your post is garbage; "not a good shooter" is selective criticism at its worst.

My Underlying Statement - "Booker is not a good 2pt Shooter" - was clearly stated 7 (seven) times (see below links) including at least two of them in direct response to you.


http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-7#post-3664262

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-8#post-3664884

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-9#post-3664892

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-9#post-3664894

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-9#post-3665190

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...-future-extension.255350/page-10#post-3665463

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...-future-extension.255350/page-10#post-3665764


Points to clarify:

1. The original comparison to LBJ and Durant was because he was the third youngest ever to 4000 points so I wanted to see how he stacked up metrics wise. Original post here:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-3#post-3663503

And he didn't stack up well PER wise, and in particular 2pt% wise which is where my original argument originated from.



2. If you want to compare 2pt% of third year guards see list below of the first 5 names that popped into my head; Booker's the worst 2pt% and more or less equal worst TS% which i've thrown in for comparison:

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So for the second time of asking can you please provide evidence of 'greatest shooter for his age' so we can see how ridiculous or not this statement is. Note that I've already said in this thread that "best for their age" is almost certainly less important than "years in the league" but by all means give me evidence however you like it.



3. I was the only one who bothered to provide decent statistical counter evidence (against myself) when I gave Kobe's statistics - conclusion being that strong TS% isn't essential to be great and that Booker isn't as bad as I thought he was - but it's also proof that I'm here to find the answer whether I'm right or wrong, and not try to score cheap points against other posters which is what you've done.


4. Ouchie - you're 48 years old bro, start acting like it.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think they will. Hopefully this is a no brainer for Sarver.

Booker just keeps getting better.

I wonder if the Suns hesitate a bit at Booker’s durability before giving him
$150M?

I’d still do it but it’s something to consider.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

[QUOTE="3rdside, post: 3677555, member: 393".


4. Ouchie - you're 48 years old bro, start acting like it.[/QUOTE]

Dude you’re apparently SO late that I don’t even know what your attack on me is about. And I’m 49. And I act my age every single day.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I wonder if the Suns hesitate a bit at Booker’s durability before giving him
$150M?

I’d still do it but it’s something to consider.

I highly doubt it. He only missed 6 games as a rookie and 4 games last year and none of his injuries appear be any sort of chronic issue, but more of the freak injury variety. I also wonder if he would even be missing these recent games if the Suns were fighting for the playoffs.

 

[SirStefan32]

I highly doubt it. He only missed 6 games as a rookie and 4 games last year and none of his injuries appear be any sort of chronic issue, but more of the freak injury variety. I also wonder if he would even be missing these recent games if the Suns were fighting for the playoffs.

Yeah, exactly. One injury was a non-contact injury, then it got aggravated after he got kneed, and the last one was a finger injury. There is nothing to be concerned about there.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if the Suns hesitate a bit at Booker’s durability before giving him
$150M?

I’d still do it but it’s something to consider.

I highly doubt it. The reported sprained right hand likely needs to heal.

 

[Phrazbit]

This may be the longest time taken to reply to a message - i got hit with the biggest 2 week stress at work ever (9am - 10pm days), recovery drinks on the weekend (I rarely do anything hungover...) and have just finished snowboarding in Meribel - but better late than never as the saying goes.


Phrazbit - much like your view on Ingram which I called you out on (and which probably explains your cheap shot), your post is garbage; "not a good shooter" is selective criticism at its worst.

My Underlying Statement - "Booker is not a good 2pt Shooter" - was clearly stated 7 (seven) times (see below links) including at least two of them in direct response to you.


http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-7#post-3664262

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-8#post-3664884

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-9#post-3664892

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-9#post-3664894

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-9#post-3665190

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...-future-extension.255350/page-10#post-3665463

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...-future-extension.255350/page-10#post-3665764


Points to clarify:

1. The original comparison to LBJ and Durant was because he was the third youngest ever to 4000 points so I wanted to see how he stacked up metrics wise. Original post here:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...r-future-extension.255350/page-3#post-3663503

And he didn't stack up well PER wise, and in particular 2pt% wise which is where my original argument originated from.



2. If you want to compare 2pt% of third year guards see list below of the first 5 names that popped into my head; Booker's the worst 2pt% and more or less equal worst TS% which i've thrown in for comparison:

You must be registered for see images attach

So for the second time of asking can you please provide evidence of 'greatest shooter for his age' so we can see how ridiculous or not this statement is. Note that I've already said in this thread that "best for their age" is almost certainly less important than "years in the league" but by all means give me evidence however you like it.



3. I was the only one who bothered to provide decent statistical counter evidence (against myself) when I gave Kobe's statistics - conclusion being that strong TS% isn't essential to be great and that Booker isn't as bad as I thought he was - but it's also proof that I'm here to find the answer whether I'm right or wrong, and not try to score cheap points against other posters which is what you've done.


4. Ouchie - you're 48 years old bro, start acting like it.

Saying a guy has poor shot selection, which is a fair statement with Booker, is very different than saying they're a poor shooter in general, which is a point you made repeatedly. Even the very first post YOU link, I am talking specifically about outside shooting and how he is good at it, you respond by telling me the argument is ridiculous... apparently because he isn't KD or Durant.

And I left you a very detailed list of Booker's shooting numbers vs several guys who developed into stars in the same age range. Sorry if you were too stressed to read.

Your argument is still bogus.

Cheers.

Also, for a guy who loves PER as a be all end all, to throw my opinion on Ingram in my face is pretty damn funny.

Double cheers.

And this "oh, I only meant he isn't a good 2 pt shooter" argument came about only after your original point went over as well as a wet fart.

So he’s below average on two counts and marginally above average on one ... I repeat, he is not a good all round shooter.


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Triple cheers.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Young players generally have poor shot selection. I am not too worried about Booker's shot selection yet. Who would you rather have shoot it?

Exactly.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Booker was having a very good year as a shooter, from 2 and from 3. His shooting percentages have dropped precipitously since he was forced to shoulder more PG duties. I'm comfortable in calling him a very good shooter when he's healthy and playing his position. As a point guard though, he's had some struggles.