3rdside
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You better be joking JC! The heat I’m getting for something that’s pretty obvious is something else.
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Im not. He was the best pure shooter in his draft class. Everyone in the league knows he is a excellent shooter. He just won the three point contest. He has been absolutely clutch at the end of games. He shoots a huge volume of contested shots because he is the best player--though just 21 years of age--on a bad team.You better be joking JC! The heat I’m getting for something that’s pretty obvious is something else.
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When you are all alone in your opinion you realYou’re all in denial - this is freaking hilarious.
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Only a crazy man thinks everyone else is crazy!You’re all in denial - this is freaking hilarious; so pure he’s not even in the top half of the league for TS%.
If there is anything that stats paint the picture of without distorting things it’s shooting - it’s why shooting has the heaviest weighting when calculating PER and is why Booker has such an average PER for such such high point scorer....he’s a bad 2pt shooter.
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When you are all alone in your opinion you real
Only a crazy man thinks everyone else is crazy!
Your credibility is shot, sir.
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No, he is absolutely right. You are literally claiming that Booker is not a good shooter, and you are the only one to claim such a thing. This is right up there with Slin claiming Magic Johnson was not a point guard.
I would agree, but my credibility is now shot, so. . .No, he is absolutely right. You are literally claiming that Booker is not a good shooter, and you are the only one to claim such a thing. This is right up there with Slin claiming Magic Johnson was not a point guard.
Did you break out his percentages over the past 3 seasons? How does his percentage change from year to year? Averaging is a terrible way to go on this argument because he's so young.Except that I literally have the evidence to back it up.
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Every second day I look at his box score he throws up horrendous shooting %'s that's why I checked, and statistically I'm correct, so we're paying him on potential and not actual output. And questioning everything in this world is the right approach, not just blindly following what everyone says even though I have said he's worthy of the max.
I'm not trying to attack you, but do you watch the games? I'll admit that I don't watch them all, but when I do it seems as if Booker is the ONLY player the opposing team cares about. A fair % of his shots are extremely difficult. And he probably shouldn't be taking them. But when you've got nobody else that can hit a jumper, or someone as passive and useless as Bender, you're forced to try and take over, leading to difficult and bad shots.
Booker really, REALLY needs another shooter and / or legitimate scoring option not named Warren next to him. I think that will take him to the next level. And yes, I'd pay him the max the second it's possible based on his potential to be the franchise cornerstone for the next 10 years.
Edit: Yeah I threw Bender into the conversation because of how infuriating it is to watch him play.
I'm liking it but I'm still trying to figure out how Bender sneaks into the conversation.
Tipping point was watching Bender dribble out of a really easy shot close to the rim yesterday. He caught the ball, had a clear path to the basket, and didn't even bother to try and score. Just dribbled the ball away from the hoop and passed it. EJ ripped him pretty hard during the broadcast.
I am at the point of wanting Chriss to start and trade minutes with Bender. At least Chriss, and as awful he can be at times, showed legit flashes for stretches last year and isn't afraid of the ball.
Of those 314 players most of them barely shoot any shots per game. That is why I narrowed it down to good scorers and Booker is about average compared to the other top scorers in the league. I care a lot more how he compares to the other players that have a similar amount of responsibility to him than some guy who takes 5 wide open shots a game.If I say you come 170th in a race with 314 people in it how do you grade that performance?
And if Booker ranks 170th in TS% out of 314 people who played > 500 minutes this season, does that change your opinion?
These are important questions you need to consider when building a team because if Booker doesn’t improve his TS%, as unlikely as that is as I have said multiple times, then we have a potential problem in view of paying him max dollars.
And while Booker is a probable slam dunk for a max extension, which I’ve also said he’s worthy of multiple times, he’s not a definite slam dunk because his statistics don’t bear that out; go look lebron and Durant’s statistics at the same stage of their careers for what a definite slam dunk looks like.
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You’re all in denial - this is freaking hilarious; so pure he’s not even in the top half of the league for TS%.
If there is anything that stats paint the picture of without distorting things it’s shooting - it’s why shooting has the heaviest weighting when calculating PER and is why Booker has such an average PER for such such high point scorer....he’s a bad 2pt shooter.
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Right, so LBJ and Durant were just ignored when people played them...Booker should have the opportunity to improve his TS% of course, for the many reasons which I've raised already.
Did you break out his percentages over the past 3 seasons? How does his percentage change from year to year? Averaging is a terrible way to go on this argument because he's so young.
I'm not trying to attack you, but do you watch the games? I'll admit that I don't watch them all, but when I do it seems as if Booker is the ONLY player the opposing team cares about.
A fair % of his shots are extremely difficult. And he probably shouldn't be taking them. But when you've got nobody else that can hit a jumper, or someone as passive and useless as Bender, you're forced to try and take over, leading to difficult and bad shots.
And yes, I'd pay him the max the second it's possible based on his potential to be the franchise cornerstone for the next 10 years.
Bender driving out of easy baskets is indeed infuriating. He is looking more and more like Spencer Hawes who is now out of the NBA.
Gosh I hope this is not true.
Of those 314 players most of them barely shoot any shots per game. That is why I narrowed it down to good scorers and Booker is about average compared to the other top scorers in the league. I care a lot more how he compares to the other players that have a similar amount of responsibility to him than some guy who takes 5 wide open shots a game.
OMG your still on PER being the be all end all?? Look I get the points your making about PER but that is not justification for letting the guy go.
Market dictates what a player is worth. If Booker goes on the open market he gets MAX. The question becomes can you afford to let his level of talent walk on a talent starved team?!
I say no. He gets max. If it doesn’t work out there is always a sucker team to take him off your hands later.
And he almost certainly will... seeing as he is among the best shooters in NBA history at his age. Furthermore, what you're really knocking is his shot selection, and that knock has merit, he takes too many midrange 2s, and while he is good at making them, that shot lowers TS% because it does not carry the value of 3pt shots or shots that are more likely to draw fouls.
Remember these takes when you start siding with 3rdside as he champions Donicic over the other possible mega-studs in the lotto: