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I used to hate Kobe (pure jealousy). Hate sometimes is a source of respect. I thought Book was good, but the last 3 weeks have been greatThere an are very few players that transcend their team. Barkley was a huge draw on the road (I think it’s the only time in Suns history that the Suns were the #1 away draw in the NBA), he gave us national attention, a ton of nationally televised games etc.
Book is finally getting some national respect but he is widely hated by a bunch of fans from other teams. I have been to a bunch of out of state games with this bunch and did the same during the Barkley era what I was traveling a lot and it’s not the same. I would see 10X the number of Barkley jerseys on the road than I do Book ones.
Book will be #1 when all is said and done IMO. He will own just about every Suns record and possibly at least have one title. At that point it will be no question IMO. Hell if he wins it this year or next it won’t be any question.
Correct. The great tragedy of the Barkey years was that he came about 2 years to late to take advantage of Tom Chambers in his prime. When Barkley arrived, Tommy Gun wasn't quite what he had been.Suns were an upper tier team before Barkley, they had multiple all stars won 50 plus games, he had two great years 92-94 then forced his way out. Sorry, funny guy but you have to play more than 3 years with a team to be the greatest.
Disagree. Nash got the MVP's because of the Suns overall performance, but he was not a superstar on this level overall. Booker is MILES better as a defender and while Nash was a master passer and three point shooter, Booker's complete offensive arsenal far surpasses Nash. Also, Nash was still a virtual NBA nobody (OK, I exaggerate, but not a lot) when he was 26 years old.Nash is #1. He won 2 MVP's and is in the HOF. The suns were the definition of mediocrity without Nash. We would have continued to be a #7 seed in the west and people would have been falling asleep in the stands.
Barkley is #2 - He won an MVP, HOF and, like Nash...created the change. The suns were going nowhere before that trade.
Booker is currently #3 but has the chance to jump both of these guys....and that is by delivering a Championship. Booker has not won any MVPs, and has not single handedly changed the Suns. With just Booker...we were crap. When we gave him actual NBA players around him like Paul, Durrant etc...he has taken his game to a level we have never seen. IF...and I still think its a huge IF....but IF Booker can bring us a ring, then it becomes a no brainer he is the best Suns player of All Time and a Valley Legend in the mold of RJ, Gonzo, Fitz, Warner, Nash, Barkley
So let me get this straight. Book right now has better statistics then both Barkley and Nash, yet you won't say Book is the best based on that he hasn't won a championship yet.Nash is #1. He won 2 MVP's and is in the HOF. The suns were the definition of mediocrity without Nash. We would have continued to be a #7 seed in the west and people would have been falling asleep in the stands.
Barkley is #2 - He won an MVP, HOF and, like Nash...created the change. The suns were going nowhere before that trade.
Booker is currently #3 but has the chance to jump both of these guys....and that is by delivering a Championship. Booker has not won any MVPs, and has not single handedly changed the Suns. With just Booker...we were crap. When we gave him actual NBA players around him like Paul, Durrant etc...he has taken his game to a level we have never seen. IF...and I still think its a huge IF....but IF Booker can bring us a ring, then it becomes a no brainer he is the best Suns player of All Time and a Valley Legend in the mold of RJ, Gonzo, Fitz, Warner, Nash, Barkley
If you put it that way . If Durant brings home the prize does he qualify?Nash is #1. He won 2 MVP's and is in the HOF. The suns were the definition of mediocrity without Nash. We would have continued to be a #7 seed in the west and people would have been falling asleep in the stands.
Barkley is #2 - He won an MVP, HOF and, like Nash...created the change. The suns were going nowhere before that trade.
Booker is currently #3 but has the chance to jump both of these guys....and that is by delivering a Championship. Booker has not won any MVPs, and has not single handedly changed the Suns. With just Booker...we were crap. When we gave him actual NBA players around him like Paul, Durrant etc...he has taken his game to a level we have never seen. IF...and I still think its a huge IF....but IF Booker can bring us a ring, then it becomes a no brainer he is the best Suns player of All Time and a Valley Legend in the mold of RJ, Gonzo, Fitz, Warner, Nash, Barkley
What about Landry Shamet and Bismack Biyombo?If you put it that way . If Durant brings home the prize does he qualify?
Well I'm pretty sure Nash has contributed more than 51 points in a game many times although I'm not sure if he did it in the playoffs. But I'd bet CP3 did it more than once during our finals run. But regardless, Nash couldn't defend and Booker has become above average at it so I'm staying with Devin.Booker isn't just leading the entire NBA in Playoff points thru 9 games - Booker is also 3rd in assists (behind Jokic and Draymond) - meaning Booker has more assists than any other guard in these Playoffs - and Booker (67) is only 1 assist behind Draymond (68)
Even if you only give Booker 2pts for each assist - and add that to the 331pts he's scored himself - you're talking 465pts through 9 games
That means Devin Armani Booker is contributing on at least 51pts per game, and that's not counting the assists that were actually 3 pointers
I love Steve Nash too but I'm pretty damn sure he never did that, plus Booker plays defense
Yeah but we're talking 51pts per game tho, not in a game or even plural games. But I would imagine Nash did lead in Playoff assists at least a few timesWell I'm pretty sure Nash has contributed more than 51 points in a game many times although I'm not sure if he did it in the playoffs. But I'd bet CP3 did it more than once during our finals run. But regardless, Nash couldn't defend and Booker has become above average at it.
True. I really don't recall and I'm too lazy to check but I doubt he ever had a run that comes close to what Devin is doing right now.Yeah but we're talking 51pts per game tho, not in a game or even plural games. But I would imagine Nash did lead in Playoff assists at least a few times
I can't believe no one even mentions Walter Davis. He is still #1 in all time points. He played pre 3 pointer and after the 3. If he had played his whole career with it, obviously his point total would be 1,000 or so higher.
When he got hot it was a sight to see. Silky smooth shot, great on the break...nicknamed The Greyhound.
I am not saying I would take him over Booker, given a choice, but he has to be in the conversation for all time best Suns.
Me too. Wish we had him out there with Devin and Kevin. As I recall he had some pretty good games against Denver. I remember one season where he went for 30 (-ish) up there and then turned around and went for 40 the next time they faced each other in Phoenix. He was just so smooth. Booker makes high scoring games look common but they weren't common at all for the Suns back then.Playoffs: Clippers @ Suns Tuesday game thread 4-25-2023 - Game 5
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Mentioned it in a game thread. Loved the Greyhound.
I was super young but I remember Walter Davis balling and Larry Nance with the double dunk back in like the early(?) 80sMe too. Wish we had him out there with Devin and Kevin. As I recall he had some pretty good games against Denver. I remember one season where he went for 30 (-ish) up there and then turned around and went for 40 the next time they faced each other in Phoenix. He was just so smooth. Booker makes high scoring games look common but they weren't common at all for the Suns back then.
Yeah, early to mid-80's till we traded him to Cleveland in 88. It was a surprise but a great trade for both clubs.I was super young but I remember Walter Davis balling and Larry Nance with the double dunk back in like the early(?) 80s