Devin Booker is the greatest player EVER in Suns history

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Maybe you should call Shams.

It could be Devin changes his mind and wants out, though.
I've been assuming all year that he will want out once he fully realizes how screwed we are for the future. He'd probably be willing to stay if we really wanted it but he also wants to win. And that's not going to happen here unless we stock the cupboard by trading him and KD away but even then, it's going to take a few years to build up a competitive roster.
 

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Shams I trust. Gerald Bourget is a protector of the organization.

Gerald Bourguet was using quotation marks, so I thought he was quoting Shams Charania?

It could be he was quoting other sources. It's unclear.

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Gerald Bourguet was using quotation marks, so I thought he was quoting Shams Charania?

It could be he was quoting other sources. It's unclear.

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Bourget is quoting his “own sources” that Booker is never getting traded. Loose definition of “sources” of course.
 

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I've been assuming all year that he will want out once he fully realizes how screwed we are for the future. He'd probably be willing to stay if we really wanted it but he also wants to win. And that's not going to happen here unless we stock the cupboard by trading him and KD away but even then, it's going to take a few years to build up a competitive roster.

Another thought, under the CBA, the Suns can likely pay Booker more than any other team when the time comes, so that could be a motivator. Also, he likes living in Arizona and traveling around the state. I think he really enjoys being a Sun, but that could change. I don't see any joy in his face anymore.

I didn't like the way the Suns dismantled the team with the new owner, so I'd like to keep a familiar face around. However, I want what is best for Booker, so I'm prepared for anything. I do enjoy watching young players develop, but what's frustrating is the Suns shouldn't be in this predicament.
 

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Bourget is quoting his “own sources” that Booker is never getting traded. Loose definition of “sources” of course.

I don't recall Bourguet using sources before, so we shall see. It's unlike him.
 

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Another thought, under the CBA, the Suns can likely pay Booker more than any other team when the time comes, so that could be a motivator. Also, he likes living in Arizona and traveling around the state. I think he really enjoys being a Sun, but that could change. I don't see any joy in his face anymore.

I didn't like the way the Suns dismantled the team with the new owner, so I'd like to keep a familiar face around. However, I want what is best for Booker, so I'm prepared for anything. I do enjoy watching young players develop, but what's frustrating is the Suns shouldn't be in this predicament.

I heard an interview with Melvin Booker, who is Devin's dad and a former NBA player, where he spoke of Devin's love of Phoenix as a city being genuine. It wasn't a local interview that was sort of building Booker's brand here in the valley either. He was essentially repeating a lot of what Devin has said over the years while adding in some context as his father watching his son make a home here. It all seemed genuine and was cool to hear. I want to say this was in December, when things were rocky here for fhe team but the bottom hadn't fallen out yet. I believe it based on what I've heard from Devin over the years. It reinforced what I'd learned over the years about Devin's attachment to the city and state. Melvin seems to love it here also, FWIW.

I'll try to find it and share it but I believe Devin has earned benefit of doubt. I won't say he wants out until he says it himself.
 

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Let's say they will listen to offers and if Devin okays a good deal for the Suns, then he can choose to go. We will stink anyway. Probably have to run with Booker and Beal as the core if we cannot get a #1 for Durant.

I mean, if he's okay with stinking/rebuild, is he then worth a max contract? I think not really.

Look Devin, you can take this deal and try to win with your new team, or you can stay here for yet another rebuild, but we're not offering you another max contract (max 40 mill).

Will he then sign as a FA elsewhere and we're left with cap space only? Thoughts?
 

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I love Booker, but Charles Barkley was the greatest Suns player of all time even factoring in his much shorter stint.
 

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I love Booker, but Charles Barkley was the greatest Suns player of all time even factoring in his much shorter stint.
The answer to who is the greatest Phoenix Sun always depends on what you mean by the question. I think of it as who had the greatest career with the Suns and, for me, that's Devin, just barely. And I might change my mind if this season ends up being his last one with us especially with how disappointing he's been for much of this year.

But if you're simply talking who was the best player that ever wore a Suns uniform, Devin is well down the list. I'm sure I'll forget someone but off the top of my head, for me, it would be Shaq, Connie Hawkins, Barkley, Nash, Amare, Kidd, Marion, Maurice Lucas, KJ and then either Devin or Sweet D. I ignored KD f on purpose because right now, I'm so disgusted by him, it's tough for me to consider him fairly.
 

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The answer to who is the greatest Phoenix Sun always depends on what you mean by the question. I think of it as who had the greatest career with the Suns and, for me, that's Devin, just barely. And I might change my mind if this season ends up being his last one with us especially with how disappointing he's been for much of this year.

But if you're simply talking who was the best player that ever wore a Suns uniform, Devin is well down the list. I'm sure I'll forget someone but off the top of my head, for me, it would be Shaq, Connie Hawkins, Barkley, Nash, Amare, Kidd, Marion, Maurice Lucas, KJ and then either Devin or Sweet D. I ignored KD f on purpose because right now, I'm so disgusted by him, it's tough for me to consider him fairly.

I give extra points if the Suns draft the player and the years spent with the team.

Naturally this pushes up players like Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Amare and Walter Davis. Some other players may have more star power, but I have less attachment to them. Kevin Johnson wanted to retire a Sun so that also made him special.
 

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I'd never really consider cp3 and Kd best of anything for the Suns.

Booker is the greatest Sun of all time whether we like it not. He's drafted here, stayed here (so far), and leads the organization in some major categories.
 

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The answer to who is the greatest Phoenix Sun always depends on what you mean by the question. I think of it as who had the greatest career with the Suns and, for me, that's Devin, just barely. And I might change my mind if this season ends up being his last one with us especially with how disappointing he's been for much of this year.

But if you're simply talking who was the best player that ever wore a Suns uniform, Devin is well down the list. I'm sure I'll forget someone but off the top of my head, for me, it would be Shaq, Connie Hawkins, Barkley, Nash, Amare, Kidd, Marion, Maurice Lucas, KJ and then either Devin or Sweet D. I ignored KD f on purpose because right now, I'm so disgusted by him, it's tough for me to consider him fairly.

I don’t know why we would consider anything a player did while not wearing a suns uniform as to their standing of being the best Suns player in history.

I still have Nash number one.
 

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I don’t know why we would consider anything a player did while not wearing a suns uniform as to their standing of being the best Suns player in history.

I still have Nash number one.
Yeah but obviously we don't all think alike. Some people might consider the player's entire career, some might consider just their time in Phoenix, some might base it upon team success while here, some might base it on accolades earned while here and so on. For me, it either means greatest player while wearing our uniform (when at the top of his game) or greatest player for his entire career while wearing our uniform.
 

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I'd never really consider cp3 and Kd best of anything for the Suns.

Booker is the greatest Sun of all time whether we like it not. He's drafted here, stayed here (so far), and leads the organization in some major categories.
Yeah that's how I feel but it also points out why we've never had much success beyond the regular season. Look at the list of all time greats for other teams and Devin doesn't measure up to most of them.

Oh and thanks for bringing up CP3, I knew there was someone I'd left off my list of greatest players that ever suited up for the Suns. I think I'd put him just below Shaq despite his postseason results.
 
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book is not a hofer at this time - i assume the olympics will carry merit but my man has problems making all star rosters packed with non-hofers

book is not the most talented sun ever to shine in the valley - but he's the only lifer we've ever drafted (and kept) that got this team to the nba finals - and please don't try to cp3 book's accomplishment - chris paul came here because of book but anyways - greatest sun ever will always be an opinion but it's cool talking about the all the good ones
 

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book is not a hofer at this time - i assume the olympics will carry merit but my man has problems making all star rosters packed with non-hofers

book is not the most talented sun ever to shine in the valley - but he's the only lifer we've ever drafted (and kept) that got this team to the nba finals - and please don't try to cp3 book's accomplishment - chris paul came here because of book but anyways - greatest sun ever will always be an opinion but it's cool talking about the all the good ones
You are ignoring the Suns' history. Alvan Adams was that. You could argue that Dick Van Arsdale was too but from the expansion draft.
 

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Yeah that's how I feel but it also points out why we've never had much success beyond the regular season. Look at the list of all time greats for other teams and Devin doesn't measure up to most of them.

Oh and thanks for bringing up CP3, I knew there was someone I'd left off my list of greatest players that ever suited up for the Suns. I think I'd put him just below Shaq despite his postseason results.

Shaq was one of the greatest players elsewhere, but he was not the Suns greatest player.

Some criteria needs to be established for the Suns greatest players.
 

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Shaq was one of the greatest players elsewhere, but he was not the Suns greatest player.

Some criteria needs to be established for the Suns greatest players.
Sure but my point was that you have to define what you mean when you say greatest Phoenix Suns player ever.
 

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Sure but my point was that you have to define what you mean when you say greatest Phoenix Suns player ever.

The point I was making is there needs to be some minimum criteria for the Suns greatest players. Maybe one of them could be seasons or games played.

An argument could be made, Chris Paul belongs in the above photo. He was with the Suns three seasons and he was their staring point guard when they went to the Finals.
 
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You are ignoring the Suns' history. Alvan Adams was that. You could argue that Dick Van Arsdale was too but from the expansion draft.
alvin adams never averaged more than 19 pts a game or even 10 rebounds a game - he got close when entering the league but then declined the rest rest of his career

book's already got more all star appearances then arsdale and book's only 28 - arsdale was good but not devin booker good - records books clearly show this - hell - i'd put kj over arsdale
 
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