Dexter done

[Russ Smith]

Jackson does not have to clear waivers.......he is a totally free FA and is in control as to where he might end up.

Thanks, you said that earlier too and for some reason i already forgot it.

So assuming he starts getting calls from other teams, it'll be interesting to see about the physicals.

 

[Lex]

Have the Cardinals EVER traded a player?

 

[Russ Smith]

Have the Cardinals EVER traded a player?

Bryan Gilmore, I guess he qualifies as a player. Aeneas.

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[joeshmo]

True, but I wonder, in this case if the injury did reoccur, couldn't Jackson claim the Cards are liable since it happened while he was here (assuming no other team signed him)?

I think it'll be interesting if he clears waivers and starts getting other teams physicals what it shows, if he's failing physicals he'll be filing a grievance for being cut while injured, if he's passing physicals, we'll know he's at least healthy enough for now.

No. As the article states He signed a settlement with the cards, hence all liability is no longer in the Cards Hands.

 

[spanky1]

No. As the article states He signed a settlement with the cards, hence all liability is no longer in the Cards Hands.

Actually joe, my understanding is that there was NO INJURY SETTLEMENT. Dexter was simply cut.

 

[Russ Smith]

No. As the article states He signed a settlement with the cards, hence all liability is no longer in the Cards Hands.

Missed that good catch. Says he got no money for the release and is free to sign with another team.

I guess we'll see if he does or not. If he doesn't you gotta wonder why he'd sign a settlement that gives him no money?

 

[Pariah]

I guess we'll see if he does or not. If he doesn't you gotta wonder why he'd sign a settlement that gives him no money?

If he doesn't, he simply miscalculted his own worth or health, IMO.

Sounds to me like the he went to the Cards and said "I'm healthy, I want a settlment." The Cards said, "nope, we're not paying you so you can sign somewhere else; if you're as healhty as you think you are, you'll make enough money from another club. If you want out, we'll cut you, but we're not paying to get you out the door."

 

[joeshmo]

Here is one the biggest reason Dex was let go. It is a small statement but says a lot.

"irritating Jackson"

The guy was here becuase he wanted to be a marque name becuase he was the step child in TB with all of their talent. He even said so in his interviews when he first got here. He wanted to be known, he wanted to be the star of the D. When Green Put Harris as the starter becuase Dex Back wasnt allowing him to play, Jackson started on his self induced downward spiral into the depths of the coaches doghouse.

But dont get me wrong I dont like seeing him go either, but there was trouble in paradise none the less.

The thought of being able to trade him, we will find out soon if he makes it on a team and passes a physical by the trading deadline of October 19th. If he isnt on a team by then then it would have been immposible to trade him no matter what even if not on IR because he wouldnt have been able to pass a physical, by the trading deadline. Not to even mention that traded players go through a much harder physical because they are not only giving up a players salary like a regular FA pick would be but also giving up a draft pick as well. So on this issue we will know really soon.

If he is on a team by the trade deadline I will be pissed to, if not, then we got a good deal by not having to pay him any money in his injury settlement.

 

[joeshmo]

Actually joe, my understanding is that there was NO INJURY SETTLEMENT. Dexter was simply cut.

Read the article again.

"The team also officially let linebacker Levar Fisher go Wednesday night under a similar settlement(refering to Jacksons)."

A settlement was reached, but for no money.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah I realize that and it was part of my point. None of us really knew but it was openly speculated because of how Green said it that putting him on IR was not a medical decision. Green said something about a possible injury settlement if Dex didn't want to be here. The implication was he's going to be able to play this year, it just might not be here.

By putting him on IR he made him untradeable, I don't even think you CAN trade a guy on IR , if you can what team would trade for him?

It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. Every coach gets rid of players they don't like in THEIR system, but most don't just cut guys who can actually help them, either on the field or by trade. Dex played his butt off last year I find it hard to believe that over the offseason he became a malcontent.

russ, seriously, when was the last time you can recall a safety with a big contract coming off of injury being traded? he doesn't have value. let's be realistic here folks.

 

[Russ Smith]

Here is one the biggest reason Dex was let go. It is a small statement but says a lot.

"irritating Jackson"

The guy was here becuase he wanted to be a marque name becuase he was the step child in TB with all of their talent. He even said so in his interviews when he first got here. He wanted to be known, he wanted to be the star of the D. When Green Put Harris as the starter becuase Dex Back wasnt allowing him to play, Jackson started on his slef induced downward spiral into the depths of the coaches doghouse.

The thought of being able to trade him, we will find out soon if he makes it on a team and passes a physical by the trading deadline of October 19th. If he isnt on a team by then then it would have been immposible to trade him no matter what even if not on IR because he wouldnt have been able to pass a physical, by the trading deadline. Not to even mention that traded players go through a much harder physical because they are not only giving up a players salary like a regular FA pick would be but also giving up a draft pick as well. So on this issue we will no really soon.

True, but we could have kept him on IR all year, then traded him in the offseason if he was healthy then.

If Jackson asked for this as pariah suggests, that implies he's ready to go.

Dex is no idiot I doubt he'd ask for a release not knowing he couldn't pass physicals, and waive his right to any money.

We don't know the whole story, that's clear, there's something that explains this which we don't yet know.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It seems like for every good decision Green makes, he then makes a bonehead move. I keep waiting for him to put Boldin on IR and then release him just because he didn't draft him. I don't understand his way of thinking at all. I bet the next guy he releases will be fullback James Hodgins. For no other reason than he didn't bring him here so he must not be any good. He is dumping players right and left whether they are good or not just because he didn't bring them here. He'll probably cut Leonard Davis at the end of the year for the hell of it. I also bet he won't re-sign Freddie Jones, but instead draft a TE next year and start him.

this post deserves no merit. the only reason i'm responding is to point out that freddie jones, at his current rate of production should NOT be resigned. he has been an underachiever since he got here, and for a while before that in sd. i would not shed a tear for his departure.

 

[clif]

Here is one the biggest reason Dex was let go. It is a small statement but says a lot.

"irritating Jackson"

The guy was here becuase he wanted to be a marque name becuase he was the step child in TB with all of their talent. He even said so in his interviews when he first got here. He wanted to be known, he wanted to be the star of the D. When Green Put Harris as the starter becuase Dex Back wasnt allowing him to play, Jackson started on his self induced downward spiral into the depths of the coaches doghouse.

But dont get me wrong I dont like seeing him go either, but there was trouble in paradise none the less.

The thought of being able to trade him, we will find out soon if he makes it on a team and passes a physical by the trading deadline of October 19th. If he isnt on a team by then then it would have been immposible to trade him no matter what even if not on IR because he wouldnt have been able to pass a physical, by the trading deadline. Not to even mention that traded players go through a much harder physical because they are not only giving up a players salary like a regular FA pick would be but also giving up a draft pick as well. So on this issue we will no really soon.

Thats what I recall from the end of OTA's when Dex was interviewed about what he thought of Harris being named the starter... he made a comment to the effect that harris was just a practice starter.....I dont recall the exact quote, but it was clear to me that he was not happy and it appears that it did not get better.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm very curious to learn the answer to this question in light of the Jackson move.........why haven't they handled Hodgins in the same fashion as Jackson? He clearly does not figure into any Green offensive scheme (big huge blocker with marginal receiving skills). Is he being kept around cuz he might have trade value?

oh man, he does NOT have trade value. everyone on roster does not necessarily have trade value. hodgins is FB people, a position on the decline. and he's not even a pro bowl fullback at that. he's one dimensional.

perhaps he's being kept on the roster b/c he bought into denny's scheme and dex didn't. if green saw dex as a malcontent, then he was right in letting him go.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Are we not seeing the forest thru the trees here? Is it a given that Ohalete or Harris are "locks" for the FS position? Maybe, just maybe, Green has something up his sleeve.......could it be that Michael Stone will be playing at FS before too long?

can someone please finally drive a stake through michael stone's heart? the man just won't die . . .

(that's figurative folks)

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

On a side note, that Rod Graves & Mac 2003 free agent spending spree looks pretty solid doesn't it? Good thing we brought in guys who "know how to win."

Spikes - benched
Emmitt - old and largely unproductive
Hodgins - on his way out before getting injured
Garcia - cut
Dexter - cut
Blake - cut
Darling - mediocre

 

[clif]

On a side note, that Rod Graves & Mac 2003 free agent spending spree looks pretty solid doesn't it? Good thing we brought in guys who "know how to win."

Spikes - benched
Emmitt - old and largely unproductive
Hodgins - on his way out before getting injured
Garcia - cut
Dexter - cut
Blake - cut
Darling - mediocre

The only one I disagree with... it was clear that he was missed last game... he has played very well.

 

[Russ Smith]

russ, seriously, when was the last time you can recall a safety with a big contract coming off of injury being traded? he doesn't have value. let's be realistic here folks.

If he's healthy he does, we had to outbid teams to get him.

If he's not healthy it makes no sense to take a settlement of zero, so I would have to assume he's healthy somewhat.

 

[Pariah]

True dat. Darling's been a very solid pick up.

 

[Russ Smith]

oh man, he does NOT have trade value. everyone on roster does not necessarily have trade value. hodgins is FB people, a position on the decline. and he's not even a pro bowl fullback at that. he's one dimensional.

We agree on Hodgins, not Dex.

 

[TRW]

This is obviously one of those Denny -vs- the player situations. Dexter was a bright spot in the defense last season, no doubt about it. I don't agree with the statement that this is another "cut off your nose to spite your face things". I believe it was a situation between the coach and player that couldn't be resolved by trade or truce so an agreement to settle and move on was made with the player and his agent.

We will see if a grievance is filed or there are repurcussions from the league. If the Cardinals violated any of the CBA then they will be dealt with. If not, then it is simply good bye to another player who is now an ex-Cardinal.

I can understand some of the angst and questioning of this move but it doesn't disturb me at all. Hell, they could have scrapped all of the players from last year and started over completely and I may have understood <sarcasm intended here>

Dexter is not a player who makes or breaks your defense. He was a guy who played in one of the best defensive schemes and with some of the best defensive players in the league at TB and got a HUGE payday for it. The Cards overpaid him a bit but he turned out pretty good for a season. Too bad his back is bad and he couldn't follow it up or get along with the new coach.

This is not that big of a deal in the long run IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If he's healthy he does, we had to outbid teams to get him.

If he's not healthy it makes no sense to take a settlement of zero, so I would have to assume he's healthy somewhat.

"we outbid teams" - what does that say? it means we paid more than anyone else was willing to pay him. now combine that with his coming off of injury and who do you think is willing to not only pick up that paycheck that they didn't want before, but also give up a draft pick for the privilege of doing so? not a single team in the league would have traded for him.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The only one I disagree with... it was clear that he was missed last game... he has played very well.

Like I said, he has been average. The guy couldn't crack the starting lineup with the Jets & Eagles and has started less than a handful of games in his eight years in the league. Let's not confuse him with Keith Bulluck or anything.

 

[Russ Smith]

"we outbid teams" - what does that say? it means we paid more than anyone else was willing to pay him. now combine that with his coming off of injury and who do you think is willing to not only pick up that paycheck that they didn't want before, but also give up a draft pick for the privilege of doing so? not a single team in the league would have traded for him.

Says there was enough interest that we weren't the only team who liked him.

Part of trades in the NFL is the player often has to restructure, I'm sure Dex would have had to, even I think he was overpaid.

Again, if an NFL team can trade for a RB 30 pounds overweight, who just walked out of camp, then a guy like Dex can be traded if he's now healthy.

 

[spanky1]

Jackson vesus Ohalete. Their really is little to separate one of these guys from the other. In 2003 for the Redskins, Ohalete played in 15 games and recorded 105 tackles (72 solo) and had 3 INT's. Jackson in 2003 for the Cards had 105 tackles (70 solo) and 7 INT's.

This is Ohaletes 4th season and Jackson would have been entering his 6th.

Ohalete is 6'2"/222 and Jackson is 6'1"/210.

I'm guessing that "bang for the buck" was an issue here. Jackson was slightly overpaid and with a "funky" back, he might be a potential Duane Starks year in and year out, injury wise. If he did have a "Kendall" like attitude, it might be for the best that he's gone.