Dez Bryant cut

[Jetstream Green]

Better then Micheal Floyd? Hell yes.

Just as problematic... hell yes

 

[Gandhi]

I must admit that I would like the Cardinals to sign Bryant. Even though he has regressed the last couple of years, I think he would easily be the second or at least third best receiver on the roster. I also think he has some good years left, and after all, it has happened before that players suddenly plays well again after a change of scenery.

Obviously, he can be somewhat of a distraction in the locker room and on the sideline, but I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control.

 

[don7031]

Better then Micheal Floyd? Hell yes.

What does Bryant do now as a receiver better than Floyd? He is not faster, he doesn't run better routes and he doesn't contest jump balls better.

Bryant can be man covered effectively by a team's number two corner.

On the Cardinals Bryant sits on the bench behind JJ Nelson because the defense has to honor Nelson's speed.

 

[gbrim21]

What does Bryant do now as a receiver better than Floyd? He is not faster, he doesn't run better routes and he doesn't contest jump balls better.

Bryant can be man covered effectively by a team's number two corner.

On the Cardinals Bryant sits on the bench behind JJ Nelson because the defense has to honor Nelson's speed.

What does Bryant do better than Floyd? Well for starters he's about to get signed by someone and actually be on a roster, so it's fair to say he does a lot of stuff better.

Yeah I made a joke earlier in their thread about Bryant falling behind Nelson on the depth chart, but that was sarcasm. Bryant on a down year is still better than Nelson at his best. Is Bryant worth it with his attitude? That's the question. I don't really think so since I've already written off 2018 as a rebuild year, but Keim's not doing his job if he doesn't at least ask about Bryant with our poo-poo platter at WR.

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[GuernseyCard]

Much prefer they bring back Adrian Peterson just before camp to back up our no. 1, than DEZ.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I must admit that I would like the Cardinals to sign Bryant. Even though he has regressed the last couple of years, I think he would easily be the second or at least third best receiver on the roster. I also think he has some good years left, and after all, it has happened before that players suddenly plays well again after a change of scenery.

Obviously, he can be somewhat of a distraction in the locker room and on the sideline, but I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control.

Why would it be Fitz's job to get Bryant 'under control?'

Does anyone doubt that Dez sees himself as a better WR than Fitz? Dez is going to want Fitz's money + $1 more. Why would Dez then consider Fitz his mentor or babysitter or coach?

A new coaching staff does not need the distraction that comes with a big ego that no longer produces the big numbers. They will have enough to do to mold the team unity without the disruption of a 'It's all about me' guy. The cap can't take the hit to satisfy a big ego that can no longer produce the big numbers.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think you guys have Dez Jr. in butler. he is a special talent and also has a lot of confidence in his ability to make tough plays that others don't make in traffic. butler is a lot cheaper and will probably be a better soldier in a healthy environment that fitz creates. dez in dallas was good when he was productive and had the right QB, but now the ship has sailed and he waited too late to make an attempt to become an adult which is why dallas cut him. It cannot be overlooked that Bryant was awful last year especially when dallas needed him the most. he dropped a lot of balls, gave up on routes, and had a terrible fumble against seattle when the season was on the line. and that fumble was after he threw a tantrum on the sideline because he wasn't getting the ball.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think you guys have Dez Jr. in butler. he is a special talent and also has a lot of confidence in his ability to make tough plays that others don't make in traffic. butler is a lot cheaper and will probably be a better soldier in a healthy environment that fitz creates. dez in dallas was good when he was productive and had the right QB, but now the ship has sailed and he waited too late to make an attempt to become an adult which is why dallas cut him. It cannot be overlooked that Bryant was awful last year especially when dallas needed him the most. he dropped a lot of balls, gave up on routes, and had a terrible fumble against seattle when the season was on the line. and that fumble was after he threw a tantrum on the sideline because he wasn't getting the ball.

I would not say Butler will ever have the impact of Dez in his prime or close to it but a lot here seem to base every critique they make by being a Google professor for stats. I live in Cowboy country and have had to see Cowboy highlights and commentary on a consistent bases (even when you don't want to haha), and Butler is much better than some here I think give him credit for

 

[JeffGollin]

Is the talent worth the distraction?

A question repeated season after season.

Personally, I'd pass on the talent and avoid the distraction. Pro football is hard enough to have time and attention diverted toward baby-sitting.

Tough call, though - Following that logic, I'd be inclined to pass on the Badger.

 

[Gandhi]

Why would it be Fitz's job to get Bryant 'under control?'

I am fairly sure I did not write what you claim.

It’s not his job. Just as it wasn’t Patrick Peterson’s job to take care of Tyrann Mathieu. Or that is wasn’t Carson Palmer’s job to take care of Blaine Gabbert. Or that when you read the multiple articles that says that some veteran will tutor a younger player, it most likely doesn’t actually say in the veteran’s contract that it is his job to do so.

 

[overseascardfan]

Would much rather use the money left on DRC.

 

[Lorenzo]

I would not say Butler will ever have the impact of Dez in his prime or close to it but a lot here seem to base every critique they make by being a Google professor for stats. I live in Cowboy country and have had to see Cowboy highlights and commentary on a consistent bases (even when you don't want to haha), and Butler is much better than some here I think give him credit for

So what media outlets do you use in dallas? I still listen to the ticket online when I can but can not stand ESPN or 105.3 the fan. Or do you live in south Texas? They probably are even more cult-like there?

Yeah butler stepped in (2016)when dez was hurt and they did not miss a beat on offense. He had some big games for dallas and appeared to have good chemistry with dak. For whatever reason last year butler got hurt and fell out of favour with the coaches(or dez) I don’t know. But for me butler and switzer were two guys that were under utilised last season as coaches were content to settle for the status quo and hope for zeek to come back. Interestingly butler made some comments to shed light on some of the toxicity that is in the cowboys offense. Dez just is not worth the headache anymore. He was lightning in a bottle and one of the only risky high draft picks that Jerry made that actually worked somewhat If you discount they only won a playoff game in that time.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

What does Bryant do now as a receiver better than Floyd? He is not faster, he doesn't run better routes and he doesn't contest jump balls better.

Bryant can be man covered effectively by a team's number two corner.

On the Cardinals Bryant sits on the bench behind JJ Nelson because the defense has to honor Nelson's speed.

Stay sober enough to be about to produce on a football field.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I am fairly sure I did not write what you claim.

It’s not his job. Just as it wasn’t Patrick Peterson’s job to take care of Tyrann Mathieu. Or that is wasn’t Carson Palmer’s job to take care of Blaine Gabbert. Or that when you read the multiple articles that says that some veteran will tutor a younger player, it most likely doesn’t actually say in the veteran’s contract that it is his job to do so.

Check your post at #77 of this thread:

"Obviously, he can be somewhat of a distraction in the locker room and on the sideline, but I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control."

It's not Fitz's job to get a veteran WR 'under control.' Fitz will be learning a new O just as Dez would.

 

[TRW]

Check your post at #77 of this thread:

"Obviously, he can be somewhat of a distraction in the locker room and on the sideline, but I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control."

It's not Fitz's job to get a veteran WR 'under control.' Fitz will be learning a new O just as Dez would.

I don’t see where he said it was his “job”. It is reasonable to think Fitz would assist Dez as a leader on this team.

You just seem to enjoy arguing and beating a topic to death.

 

[moklerman]

On paper, I think Dez would benefit greatly by going to an offense that had Fitz and Johnson. IMO, he's at a point in his career where he isn't quite able to take over a secondary all on his own but would see more open looks with Fitz and Johnson dividing the defense's attention. I didn't watch a lot of Dallas games but it seemed like they relied on Dez to create when they decided to pass.

But, would Dez fit personality-wise? I think that's a real concern for any team considering him. What is he going to be like now that he isn't in Dallas and not the center of attention? Is he going to try and create attention with antics? Will he grow up and focus on winning? Big questions for anyone willing to take him on.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I don’t see where he said it was his “job”. It is reasonable to think Fitz would assist Dez as a leader on this team.

You just seem to enjoy arguing and beating a topic to death.

I was responding to Ghandi's comment in post #77 and the comment that he "would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control."

That's not Fitz's responsibility or job or whatever. I don't think it is reasonable to trust that Fitz does anything to get Bryant under control. Both are veteran players.

Ghandi addressed a comment back at me. Would you prefer I ignore the question and not give the courtesy of a response?

You seem to enjoy sticking your nose into a conversation that has nothing to do with you. Allow Ghandi to respond for himself.

 

[TRW]

I was responding to Ghandi's comment in post #77 and the comment that he "would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control."

That's not Fitz's responsibility or job or whatever. I don't think it is reasonable to trust that Fitz does anything to get Bryant under control. Both are veteran players.

Ghandi addressed a comment back at me. Would you prefer I ignore the question and not give the courtesy of a response?

You seem to enjoy sticking your nose into a conversation that has nothing to do with you. Allow Ghandi to respond for himself.

LOL OK. You feel better now?

 

[Lorenzo]

On paper, I think Dez would benefit greatly by going to an offense that had Fitz and Johnson. IMO, he's at a point in his career where he isn't quite able to take over a secondary all on his own but would see more open looks with Fitz and Johnson dividing the defense's attention. I didn't watch a lot of Dallas games but it seemed like they relied on Dez to create when they decided to pass.

But, would Dez fit personality-wise? I think that's a real concern for any team considering him. What is he going to be like now that he isn't in Dallas and not the center of attention? Is he going to try and create attention with antics? Will he grow up and focus on winning? Big questions for anyone willing to take him on.

That’s the interesting part for me. Is dallas to blame for letting dez be a diva from day one or is dez to blame? I think it is both. And Jerry has the eat this one because of the culture he has promoted. but dez may benefit from going somewhere else where there is no red carpet rolled out for him and he has to prove himself as well as be an adult on and off the field. For me that is the only way he’s going to have success. In many ways him getting drafted by dallas was a double edged sword and this was always bound to happen.

 

[GimmedaBall]

The catches and yards Dez has to offer are not worth the headache and the cap space:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-bryant-was-fighting-people-trying-to-aid-him

 

[THESMEL]

Hell yea he is worth it- what is wrong with you all?

 

[Gandhi]

Check your post at #77 of this thread:

"Obviously, he can be somewhat of a distraction in the locker room and on the sideline, but I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control."

It's not Fitz's job to get a veteran WR 'under control.' Fitz will be learning a new O just as Dez would.

If you would show me where in my post it explicitly writes that I would make it anyone’s specific job to take care of another player, and thus is not something you have interpreted yourself. After that it would be great if you would prove to the board that veterans in fact do not take other players under their wings in various ways even though it is not in their job description. If you do those things, then your argument would be valid.

 

[GimmedaBall]

If you would show me where in my post it explicitly writes that I would make it anyone’s specific job to take care of another player, and thus is not something you have interpreted yourself. After that it would be great if you would prove to the board that veterans in fact do not take other players under their wings in various ways even though it is not in their job description. If you do those things, then your argument would be valid.

Thanks for responding.

I did interrupt your statement that "I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control." as making it a specific job for Fitz to accomplish with Dez.

Here's why. For Fitz to 'get Bryant under control' would be a major JOB and expectation of him that he doesn't deserve or need. What else would it be but a JOB? A babysitter is a major JOB, cleaning up after the dog makes a mess in the house is a JOB, controlling a spoiled kid having a temper tantrum at the shopping center is a JOB----getting Dez under control is a major JOB.

If SK/SW bring in Dez to this team as they retool/remake it would be a major mistake. If they do that, it will be for SW and his staff to 'get Bryant under control.' It will be their JOB and not something to expect of Fitz.

Of course vet players will mentor younger players. Fitz is more than generous in this regard and is the ultimate team player---you see it on the field every time a guy makes a big play or scores, Fitz is usually the first one to congratulate the player. That kind of mentoring and taking someone under his wing works only if the young player respects and looks up to the vet.

That's not who Dez is at this point in his career. He is a veteran. Do you think Dez sees Fitz as a better WR than he is? Do you think Dez will accept anything less than Fitz money to play on this team? Have you ever seen Dez interact with the other veteran Cowboy players when he has a hissy fit temper tantrum along the sidelines? They can't control him---why would you expect Fitz to somehow get him under control???

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There are a LOT of videos on Dez---most showing how negative and toxic he is both on/off the field. Help yourself.

Fitz will have plenty to deal with as he prepares for a new offense and new QB(s). Getting a veteran diva under control is not his JOB.

So, what exactly did you mean by saying I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control. What would you have Fitz do????

 

[Gandhi]

So, what exactly did you mean by saying I would trust Fitzgerald to get Bryant under control. What would you have Fitz do????

Well, you could call it a job if you like. I call it taking responsibility. I believe that Fitzgerald has proven that it is something he takes pride in doing.

I would expect him to be Larry Fitzgerald.

Like TRW said, you seem to argue just for the sake of arguing.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Well, you could call it a job if you like. I call it taking responsibility. I believe that Fitzgerald has proven that it is something he takes pride in doing.

I would expect him to be Larry Fitzgerald.

Like TRW said, you seem to argue just for the sake of arguing.

Really? That's all that you got?

It is not Fitz's responsibility to babysit. He'll be Fitz by playing his best each game and mentoring players who will respect and honor what he has to teach them.

It is not for Fitz to get Dez under control. Period.