Diamondbacks looking to trade Byrnes?

[Black Jesus]

Um, consider me blown away by that offer. Getting anything for Byrnes would be incredible, if we could get an everyday first baseman out of the deal Id be thrilled.



Don't you think its a bit silly for you to be playing amateur psychologist though? Sure moving Jackson worked, but that doesn't mean shifting other guys around will work. You think Upton would be better served if involved in more plays, based on what? Have you talked with him about this? Spent excessive time with the team? He's been playing OF for a while now and the organization wants him out there so he can bulk up his body and hit for power, as well as avoid injuries, both sensible goals I think.

haha thanks for that HooverDam. I thought it was a ridiculous idea as well, as i stated when I mentioned that Upton fumbles soft rollers hit to the outfield haha. You made him realize his post was absurd though, so kudos to you.

 

[BC867]

... why do you keep typing my username? Doesn't that seem weird, BC867?

It's alot more honorable than you referring to me as silly, for having an opinion different than yours.

I respect everyone's opinion on the ASFN boards. Let's just move on.

 

[HooverDam]

It's alot more honorable than you referring to me as silly, for having an opinion different than yours.

I respect everyone's opinion on the ASFN boards. Let's just move on.

I really didn't mean to be offensive, I'm sorry I got under your skin. I think the word 'silly' is general pretty non offensive, thats why I used it. But I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree whether we as fans can read enough into players and figure out whether or not they'd be better at another position.

 

[BC867]

I really didn't mean to be offensive, I'm sorry I got under your skin. I think the word 'silly' is general pretty non offensive, thats why I used it. But I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree whether we as fans can read enough into players and figure out whether or not they'd be better at another position.

Thanks.

 

[WildBB]

Rumor has it the Diamondbacks are interested in trading Eric Byrnes to the Mets for Luis Castillo, another bad contract.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2008/09/29/20080929dbacks0930.html

What this tells me if true is that they are not looking at Byrnes as a starter next year. Looks like CoJack will be in left and who knows who will play first.

Castillo was a real problem for the Mets. I'd take any of these instead:

Player TEAM POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
1. M Kemp LAD OF 155 606 93 176 38 5 18 76 278 46 153 35 11 .340 .459 .290
2. M DeRosa CHC 2B 149 505 103 144 30 3 21 87 243 69 106 6 0 .376 .481 .285
3. J Hardy MIL SS 146 569 78 161 31 4 24 74 272 52 98 2 1 .343 .478 .283
4. F Lopez STL 2B 143 481 64 136 28 2 6 46 186 43 82 8 8 .343 .387 .283
5. F Sanchez PIT 2B 145 569 75 154 26 2 9 52 211 21 63 0 1 .298 .371 .271

 

[HooverDam]

Castillo was a real problem for the Mets. I'd take any of these instead:

Player TEAM POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
1. M Kemp LAD OF 155 606 93 176 38 5 18 76 278 46 153 35 11 .340 .459 .290
2. M DeRosa CHC 2B 149 505 103 144 30 3 21 87 243 69 106 6 0 .376 .481 .285
3. J Hardy MIL SS 146 569 78 161 31 4 24 74 272 52 98 2 1 .343 .478 .283
4. F Lopez STL 2B 143 481 64 136 28 2 6 46 186 43 82 8 8 .343 .387 .283
5. F Sanchez PIT 2B 145 569 75 154 26 2 9 52 211 21 63 0 1 .298 .371 .271

The other team has to be willing you see, which is the hang up w/ trading any of those 5 for Eric Byrnes.

 

[AZCB34]

Byrnes has a no trade and has already said he will not waive it and when he said it he left no room for any wiggle. He is staying in AZ.

 

[overseascardfan]

Byrnes has a no trade and has already said he will not waive it and when he said it he left no room for any wiggle. He is staying in AZ.

I remember him being quoted as saying that if the FO came to him and told him they were going in a different direction he would consider moving on.

 

[dbUNIT16]

I remember him being quoted as saying that if the FO came to him and told him they were going in a different direction he would consider moving on.

Yeah, I remember the same, think you are right overseascardfan

 

[AZCB34]

I remember him being quoted as saying that if the FO came to him and told him they were going in a different direction he would consider moving on.

The last time I heard him say anything was with Bickley and MJ and he said he absolutely would not waive his no trade. Now, it is possible he came out later and changed his tune but that day he said it it sure seemed certain he would never waive it.

I think it is highly unlikely he would waive it (HIGHLY UNLIKELY) and what team would want to take on that salary for that player?

Byrnes will be here next year.

 

[p27159]

how a bad contract costs you

Here's a prime example of how one seemingly bad decision has a ripple effect. By re-signing Byrnes, we created a glut of outfielders, making Carlos Quentin "expendable", and look at what happened with him. He could have easily put up those numbers here in a better hitter's park. If you looked at his college and minor league career, he projected to be a good major league hitter, so it wasn't like his success was so unpredictable.

Then, with Byrnes' big contract, we don't have the money to re-sign the one player that would make a big impact for the Dbacks: Orlando Hudson. I would think Hudson will make somewhat similar $ per year as Byrnes is making, so tell me who would you rather have, even if Byrnes goes back to the numbers he had 2 seasons ago?

I'm not jumping off the Byrnes bandwaggon completely, because he could possibly go back to hitting the way he did 2 years ago, but even if he does, I think we could have had Quentin + Hudson instead, and I like that scenario much more.

Whoever we get to replace Hudson will most likely be a big dropoff, both offensively and defensively, not to mention the loss of his clubhouse presence. What might be even worse is if he lands in LA. I haven't heard which teams are seriously looking at him, but I'd guess that LA and NYM would be the two logical candidates, and of course, with their ability to afford to pay salaries, we have no hope of competing to keep him here. But if we didn't have the Byrnes contract, we might have been in a position to offer an extension much earlier to have kept him from becoming a free agent.

 

[Mulli]

Time to get over Carlos Quentin.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I recite the same thing over and over.

Quentin's trade was a pre-cursor to the Haren deal. I'd take Haren over Quentin without thinking twice about it.

I do agree with you on Hudson though. His defense has been exceptional and has really been a huge attribute. That, you can't replace.

Sadly, the Diamondbacks listened to the fanbase a little too closely in the Byrnes deal. They listened to the complaints of people who stated the Diamondbacks "didn't care" about the fanbase, using the Snakes' willingness to let Luis Gonzalez walk as a prime example. Byrnes' re-signing was as much a PR move as it was a logical one.

This is why I always preach thinking with your head rather than your heart when making moves. To me, Byrnes was a replacable commodity and the Diamondbacks didn't have to look very far or hard to find his replacement. Granted, at the same time, the Diamondbacks had a pair of 2B prospects who seemed legit, so hindsight is that Hudson was "replacable too". Yet, I said then and I'll repeat now, the Byrnes signing all but ended O-Dog's tenure in Arizona, and that's shameful because Huddy's more valuable to the Diamondbacks than Byrnes and is going to be a hell of a lot harder to replace.

 

[overseascardfan]

I recite the same thing over and over.

Quentin's trade was a pre-cursor to the Haren deal. I'd take Haren over Quentin without thinking twice about it.

I do agree with you on Hudson though. His defense has been exceptional and has really been a huge attribute. That, you can't replace.

Sadly, the Diamondbacks listened to the fanbase a little too closely in the Byrnes deal. They listened to the complaints of people who stated the Diamondbacks "didn't care" about the fanbase, using the Snakes' willingness to let Luis Gonzalez walk as a prime example. Byrnes' re-signing was as much a PR move as it was a logical one.

This is why I always preach thinking with your head rather than your heart when making moves. To me, Byrnes was a replacable commodity and the Diamondbacks didn't have to look very far or hard to find his replacement. Granted, at the same time, the Diamondbacks had a pair of 2B prospects who seemed legit, so hindsight is that Hudson was "replacable too". Yet, I said then and I'll repeat now, the Byrnes signing all but ended O-Dog's tenure in Arizona, and that's shameful because Huddy's more valuable to the Diamondbacks than Byrnes and is going to be a hell of a lot harder to replace.

I agree with the Quentin statement. He would have went to OAK had we not traded him to CHI, so either way he was gone.