Dinner with scout part 2

[Cbus cardsfan]

We had my scout friend over for dinner last night and I thought I'd pass on some info. There's nothing earth shattering but here's stuff on a few guys I asked him about.

We were laughing at some the stories he found out when interviewing, running checks on prospects: 2 prospects dads throw their son's name around to try and pick up girls. One prospect's dad is a bookie. A guy I like, he described as being crazy, and not in the good/fun way. More like bizzaro world Sam Montgomery crazy.



On OT'S: Cyrus Kouandjio, not as good as I make him out to be. Probably 4th-5th best OT. I don't buy it . Robinson has the makings of a star but very raw. Matthews may be better than Joeckle and is better than Fisher. The more they look at Lewan, the more he likes.

TE'S: Serafin-Jenkins: if he didn't have off -field issues, would probably be 1st TE off the board. Amaro- very talented. Ebron has maturity issues but nothing alarming. Oregon TE would probably fit best in Denver or Seattle.

Watkins: I don't think it will happen, but all things being even, I think he'd be a top 3 pick. He absolutely loves him as a football player.

Mettenberger: thinks highly of him.

Really likes Jack Mewhort. Not sold on Carlos Hyde like I am. Has to work harder.

CJ Mosley is one of the best, cleanest players in the draft.

He mentioned something interesting about Bama players in general. They have so much talent down there and Saban runs such a physically demanding program that a lot guys are beat down/hurt when entering the NFL. Mosley played hurt much of the year.

Maybe that's why Bama players haven't met expectations as much in their transition to the NFL.

I think I know who they are going take.

He's not a big combine fan. Interviews are the main thing gained from it. They have a person at the combine who's only job is as a tattoo expert. When the prospects weigh/check in and have their shirts off, the person scans their body's tattoos to see if they are gang related.

 

[cardncubfan]

Good info. Thanks Cbus.

 

[juza76]

Wow,tattoo analyst.
So if i copy a tattoo from a thug is mean i m a thug too?

 

[Finito]

I'm driving the Austin Seferian-Jenkins bandwagon, you put that guy in this offense and look out. Palmer is going to have a field day. This is assuming we sign a LT with Cooper coming back 100%, draft a big strong RB in rounds 4 or 5 maybe Andre Williams

 

[football karma]

The tattoo story is awesome


I know u aren't a Lewan fan: but if he is there at 20, I don't hesitate to take him -- even if a LT is signed.

 

[Cardiac]

Your connection to an actual NFL scout and posting this info is some of may favorite reads, thanks!!!!

Can Mewhort be a LT or is he a RT?

Keep the good info coming.

 

[Bodha]

Why do you like Cyrus Kouandjio?

I dont see a single redeeming quality in him as a LT when I watch him play. ITs like his feet grow roots every time hes lines up hes so slow off the snap.

Probably a very good guard, but otherwise that guy is going to get obliterated by speed rushers if he stays a T

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Great info, thanks for sharing. I agree with pretty much everything he had to say. Interesting about CJ Mosley playing injured. I thought his play really dropped off near the end, that would explain a lot. Only thing I do not agree with is Mettenberger. I feel he was a product of having great receivers that got wide open all the time.

Wow,tattoo analyst.
So if i copy a tattoo from a thug is mean i m a thug too?

If you wear a gang tattoo and the gang finds out, you are in a lot more trouble than the combine.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The tattoo story is awesome


I know u aren't a Lewan fan: but if he is there at 20, I don't hesitate to take him -- even if a LT is signed.

Your connection to an actual NFL scout and posting this info is some of may favorite reads, thanks!!!!

Can Mewhort be a LT or is he a RT?

Keep the good info coming.

In another thread, somebody mentioned taking Lewan at 20, even if a LT is signed, and playing him at RT. I like that idea and am full on board with it.

Mewhort is likely going to be a RT. Thing is, he can probably come in and start from day 1. I think he'll be a solid RT for many years. I wouldn't take him before round 3 though because, while Lewan may be able to, I don't think Mewhort has any chance of playing LT in the NFL. But you never know.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why do you like Cyrus Kouandjio?

I dont see a single redeeming quality in him as a LT when I watch him play. ITs like his feet grow roots every time hes lines up hes so slow off the snap.

Probably a very good guard, but otherwise that guy is going to get obliterated by speed rushers if he stays a T

I don't see that at all. In fact, I posted a youtube video awhile back from a scout breaking down Cyrus. One of his best attributes is that he's very quick off the ball and has good feet. His main problem is that he comes straight up out of his stance, which somewhat negates his quickness advantage. I think that could easily corrected with coaching, as long as Russ Grimm isn't the guy doing the coaching .

I think he's big, strong, and athletic and has the potential to be a Walter Jones-type OT. I know he likely won't come anywhere near what Jones was but I think he's got the highest ceiling of any OT in the draft(I haven't seen enough of Robinson to make a comparison).

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Wow,tattoo analyst.
So if i copy a tattoo from a thug is mean i m a thug too?

If you copy a symbol that has significant meaning to people, and put it on your body. You are definitely making a statement whether you are meaning to or not.

For example, you put a swastika on your body, a symbol, and that is going to dictate how people interact with you, without a word being spoken.

Tattoos have had meaning for centuries and throughout history, I don't find it to be a stretch that people continue to look at them for meaning.

Now, I do not have any tattoos, but why would someone put a permanent symbol on their body, and not know what it means ? I really don't understand why someone would copy a tattoo and not check into what it means first. Or why people would get a tattoo and then be offended when people look at it, and analyze it.......isn't that what they are there for ?

Just sayin', but I guess that is why I don't have one.

I have scares for symbols of what my life's story is. LOL. To each his own.

EDIT: I should say I like tattoos, by the way. Just found Juza's comment interesting, and in his defense, tattoos are frowned upon for some reason in a lot of places in society, I don't understand myself. But, I don't think tattoos are frowned upon in the NFL, they are everywhere in the league.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't see that at all. In fact, I posted a youtube video awhile back from a scout breaking down Cyrus. One of his best attributes is that he's very quick off the ball and has good feet. His main problem is that he comes straight up out of his stance, which somewhat negates his quickness advantage. I think that could easily corrected with coaching, as long as Russ Grimm isn't the guy doing the coaching .

I think he's big, strong, and athletic and has the potential to be a Walter Jones-type OT. I know he likely won't come anywhere near what Jones was but I think he's got the highest ceiling of any OT in the draft(I haven't seen enough of Robinson to make a comparison).

Thanks for the post.

Anything that resembles Levi Brown is going to scare Cardinals fans, and I am one of them.

Cyrus Kouandjio is like the next girlfriend having to deal with the crap the last one pulled. And I am guilty of it myself. Anything that resembles a Levi Brown type, I don't even consider him in my fantasy world of who gives a crap about my analysis of draftees. LOL

If, Cyrus Kouandjio, comes in and is a lights out LT, I think that will get me off the "scared to draft the next Levi Brown" train.

 

[az jam]

Good stuff, thanks for sharing it.

 

[Garthshort]

Cbus, is your friend a "working" NFL scout? And I know we all like to bash Levi Brown, but I think it's possible that he could be a good RT. Anyone agree? And b/t/w thanks for the post.

 

[Mitch]

Cyrus Kouandjio is a gifted athlete---reminds me somewhat of T Cordy Glenn, who many thought would be best suited at guard and yet he's been faring very well at tackle for the Bills---those 34 1/2 inch arms of his make a big difference, plus he's got good feet. Cyrus is similar---but more of a project coming in to camp. Not sure if he's a first year starter, that's the problem.

 

[Mitch]

In another thread, somebody mentioned taking Lewan at 20, even if a LT is signed, and playing him at RT. I like that idea and am full on board with it.

Mewhort is likely going to be a RT. Thing is, he can probably come in and start from day 1. I think he'll be a solid RT for many years. I wouldn't take him before round 3 though because, while Lewan may be able to, I don't think Mewhort has any chance of playing LT in the NFL. But you never know.

I like your boy Mewhort, Cbus. I think he's been a little under-rated thus far. Looks like a stronger, more balanced version of Eric Winston.

 

[Totally_Red]

Cyrus Kouandjio is a gifted athlete---reminds me somewhat of T Cordy Glenn, who many thought would be best suited at guard and yet he's been faring very well at tackle for the Bills---those 34 1/2 inch arms of his make a big difference, plus he's got good feet. Cyrus is similar---but more of a project coming in to camp. Not sure if he's a first year starter, that's the problem.

That is precisely why I don't think the Cardinals draft him in the first round. BASK seem to want day-one starters out of their first-round picks. It's why I could see them jumping on Dennard or Gilbert if either slips to #20.

 

[Mitch]

That is precisely why I don't think the Cardinals draft him in the first round. BASK seem to want day-one starters out of their first-round picks. It's why I could see them jumping on Dennard or Gilbert if either slips to #20.

Check out this article on S Calvin Pryor (another option with Dennard and Gilbert):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1957539-why-calvin-pryor-is-a-first-round-safety-in-todays-nfl

 

[juza76]

If you copy a symbol that has significant meaning to people, and put it on your body. You are definitely making a statement whether you are meaning to or not.

For example, you put a swastika on your body, a symbol, and that is going to dictate how people interact with you, without a word being spoken.

Tattoos have had meaning for centuries and throughout history, I don't find it to be a stretch that people continue to look at them for meaning.

Now, I do not have any tattoos, but why would someone put a permanent symbol on their body, and not know what it means ? I really don't understand why someone would copy a tattoo and not check into what it means first. Or why people would get a tattoo and then be offended when people look at it, and analyze it.......isn't that what they are there for ?

Just sayin', but I guess that is why I don't have one.

I have scares for symbols of what my life's story is. LOL. To each his own.

EDIT: I should say I like tattoos, by the way. Just found Juza's comment interesting, and in his defense, tattoos are frowned upon for some reason in a lot of places in society, I don't understand myself. But, I don't think tattoos are frowned upon in the NFL, they are everywhere in the league.

thank u rugby to understand me)what i want say
i dont judge people for tattoo.i judge people for what they do in life.
i see many people wants be moralizer in these days even if they dont have the right qualities .
we are good in judging others instead of us..
cause we feel better identifing the faults of others,this make us feel better as a perfect citizen of this world
in these days many discussions about michael sam..a lot of good words has been spent for this kid and his bravery to claim his homosexuality,
dont u feel a lot of hipocrisy in many statements. people say what is allowed them to say but not what they really feel
they want to appear good but they hide what they really are..the soul define us a a person.no tattoo.no sexual taste no religion nothing else.
sorry if is difficult to understand..english is not my mother language

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cbus, is your friend a "working" NFL scout? And I know we all like to bash Levi Brown, but I think it's possible that he could be a good RT. Anyone agree? And b/t/w thanks for the post.

Yes.

He's actually been promoted to a higher position in player personnel(he was director of college personnel). That's kind of why I try to keep thing a little generic, like not giving the names of the prospects with issues. I know it's a Cards board, but I'd hate for something that was supposedly private to get out because of me.

 

[BW52]

If Lewan is on the board at 20 take him.I doubt he gets past Miami at 19 .CJ Fiederorowicz TE (Iowa) can be taken in Rd 3 and he can block and catch and has no baggage. Watkins might be the best WR in the draft but if Cards take him I will break the TV. Not a need now.Same with CJ Mosley ILB good player but not a need. As for Mewhort of OSU I like him.If he is around in the 3-4 round draft him.

 

[BW52]

Check out this article on S Calvin Pryor (another option with Dennard and Gilbert):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1957539-why-calvin-pryor-is-a-first-round-safety-in-todays-nfl

As a Louisville fan Calvin Pryor can really play and he has decent cover skills.Somebody will be getting a very good football player.

 

[Mitch]

As a Louisville fan Calvin Pryor can really play and he has decent cover skills.Somebody will be getting a very good football player.

BW52---what other Louisville prospects do you like in this year's draft?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

As a Louisville fan Calvin Pryor can really play and he has decent cover skills.Somebody will be getting a very good football player.

Calvin Pryor reminds of the kid who went the first pick of round 2 last year, Jonathon Cyprien.

 

[Chopper0080]

You could see it at the Senior Bowl with Mewhort. He is a limited athlete and struggled initially, but just got better as the week went on. A real tough kid in one on one drills and I was impressed with ohw he adjusted on his own over the course of that week. I would be ok if the Cards spent a 3rd rounder on him because I think he can deliver similar production to Eric Winston.

I view Kouandjio and Lewan in the same light. Big players who aren't as athletic as you want them to be.

Pryor would be a good fit though he has a history of playing a bit out of control.

I like Seferian-Jenkins as well but there are concerns. I would take him in round 2.