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[PDXChris]

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[Shane]

I'll show you drama this season when we go 31-13

I thought thats what we want so we can get one if the two QBs avail next year ;-)

 

[crisper57]

Not disgusted, but severely disappointed.

No wait. I am disgusted. We just flushed the only competent coach on the staff from last season.

All because our new HC gave his word to a lesser coach?

Damn.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

This and the day Warner retired are about as low as I have ever felt about the Cardinals.

Warner showed us we didn't always have to suck. At least with him there was hope.

Horton brought the best defensive preparation and turnaround as I have ever seen in Arizona. I won't speak for all of us and say we.

I have absolutely zero faith and trust in Michael Bidwill...and he was supposed to be the great hope.

There will be plenty of empty seats and TV blackouts for years to come now---save for the the games where the opponents' fans take over U of P as their own home game, per SDS.

Yep...

 

[CtCardinals78]

Not disgusted, but severely disappointed.

No wait. I am disgusted. We just flushed the only competent coach on the staff from last season.

All because our new HC gave his word to a lesser coach?

Damn.

Sounds like it had more to do with the reported blowup between Keim and Horton the other night.

 

[IndyDevil]

If we didn't hire Horton cause he had a "never did anything offensive coordinator" then how is it Arians gets hired promoting a "never did anything defensive coordinator" ?

This is the best analogy I've seen so far. I realize the Cardinals absolutely needed to repair the offense, but are they doing it while sacrificing the one actual working component they have?? While we don't know what kind of job Horton's OC would have done, at least we knew what to expect on defense. Now there are question marks on both sides of the ball - - next season should be interesting to say the least.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I get it. A lot of people are holding on to the only positive from last year. They will come back to Earth soon enough.

You leave out the front office done NOTHING to instill confidence that by getting rid of the only thing has is productive in the current organization they are going to improve.

If this was the Patriiots or the Steelers then there would be more acceptance that this is the right thing to do.

If there is one thing the Cardinals do not give their fans is confidence that they have a clue what they are doing, or that they want to win.

And for good reason, the proof is in the results.

You want Horton cause you have him, and you don't want to lose him because it is not crazy to think the Cardinals are going to pull another Anquan Boldin.

Is it too crazy to be thinking that Horton is Boldin, and Arians is Early Doucet ?

There is some justification for the anxiety.

There are more sources, CBSsports, La Conforna, etc. saying what the "RUMOR" was. It still is just that for now, but it has gotten to the point where you have to realize Horton will be gone.

Arians + Horton ? That is easy to get behind

Arians + ????????? That is really scary.

Arians + Bowles ? You just got rid of Anquan Boldin and are telling people you are replacing him with Kevin Kasper.

Not good. Arians is going to have to part the Red Sea to get the ship back in the right direction.

Not to mention when Wilson and Dockett and a bunch of fan favorite are let go (speculation, but not without its logic) there is going to be an uproar.

Also, once the story breaks ? The Cardinals are going to get criticized for it nationally, and its not like there rep is that great to begin with.

Not to mention the minute Horton goes some where else the new DC is going to have to live with the comparisons.

It is not just melo-drama, there is justification for it.......well, unless you really feel the Cardinals deserve the benefit of the doubt like the Steelers and Patriots. IF you really do, then there is not much to worry about.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

?????

You see zero validity in those comments ? Care to share why you have such confidence.

Yes, understood it is not confirmed but we are allowed to discuss the idea of it happening thus why I can't see why the worry is not justified.

Horton is a good DC, and proved it. I find it hard to believe that anyone things losing him is going to improve this team, and not be a loss for the Cardinals.

It is what it is, and something had to be done on defense, but the threat of losing Horton has some concern does it not ?

Baghdad Shane...

 

[Shane]

Baghdad Shane...

Midol..drama queen

 

[WarnerHOF]

ARians is suppose to be an offensive genius when he was just fired a year ago for his incompetent playcalling

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Midol..drama queen

Truth hurts my friend...

 

[Shane]

Truth hurts my friend...

You should know. Wheres tgat middle finger? Shoukdnt you be on another teams message board? ;-)

 

[gmabel830]

From a far, the process seemed to be very poorly executed. But, if we found the right guy for the job at the end of the day, very few will remember the process.

It's weird, when thinking about a new HC not named Horton, Arians was one of the first people I thought of - as he had history with Horton with the Steelers, I had thought that he could be a guy you could bring in to fix the offense while keeping Horton (hopefully happy). So weird that Arians is the guy we actually landed and Horton is on his way out.

Arians stepped into a very difficult situation this year with a team that on paper didn't have enough talent to compete and exceeded everyone's expectations. I am optimistic about him as our coach and what he could do for our offense, but will be skeptical with whatever DC is brought in. At the end of the day, a great move if it works and a terrible move if it doesn't -- I'm not smart enough to take too strong a stance either way, and glad it wasn't my decision to make.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

You should know. Wheres tgat middle finger? Shoukdnt you be on another teams message board? ;-)

You know I actually have two middle fingers if you need one. ")

 

[artp]

#1 like a lot of us, I wanted R Horton as HC
#2 like all of us, I am 100% behind new HC B Arians.
Horton produced a great Cardinal Defense. But, there is talent there. They should be able to produce with any competent DC.
And I never thought that keeping Horton around next year as DC for a new HC would work. I am curious as to what the Defensive players say.

 

[Shane]

You know I actually have two middle fingers if you need one. ")

Now thats funny my friend! Bravo!

 

[Buckybird]

I can lend him 2 more

You know I actually have two middle fingers if you need one. ")

 

[LarryStalling]

This and the day Warner retired are about as low as I have ever felt about the Cardinals.

Warner showed us we didn't always have to suck. At least with him there was hope.

Horton brought the best defensive preparation and turnaround as I have ever seen in Arizona. I won't speak for all of us and say we.

I have absolutely zero faith and trust in Michael Bidwill...and he was supposed to be the great hope.

There will be plenty of empty seats and TV blackouts for years to come now---save for the the games where the opponents' fans take over U of P as their own home game, per SDS.

Well Mitch I hope you can overcome the depression pretty soon. At least now we can have hope that maybe the Cardinals can score an offensive touchdown once in a while. If the new Cardinal defense is going to look like this years Phillie defense, they are going to have to score a lot more often than occasionally. My hopes are this years team is at least fun to watch vs. last years torturous experience.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Now thats funny my friend! Bravo!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Well Mitch I hope you can overcome the depression pretty soon. At least now we can have hope that maybe the Cardinals can score an offensive touchdown once in a while. If the new Cardinal defense is going to look like this years Phillie defense, they are going to have to score a lot more often than occasionally. My hopes are this years team is at least fun to watch vs. last years torturous experience.

Bowles is 3-4 guy, not a Wide 9 guy. That was not his system.

Sent from Rugbymuffin's Super Phone

 

[Longcolts]

And with any luck at all maybe Bowles will turn out to be a good DC, if he is in fact the one that becomes it.

 

[LarryStalling]

Bowles is 3-4 guy, not a Wide 9 guy. That was not his system.

Sent from Rugbymuffin's Super Phone

RM! Just think the Cardinals beat the Eagle defense. That does wonders for my thoughts on him.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Bowles did a decent job when he was coaching the Dolphins secondary; but his brief body of work as DC wasn't one that leaves me with much promise. In 10 games that Bowles was DC for the Eagles, they gave up 30 or more points seven times and they seemed to get progressively worse under him than they were Castillo.

I'm not blaming the woes of the d entirely on him, but I also can't show too much optimism.

 

[Cheesebeef]

not disgusted. i just feel... meh. he's gonna be Tobin Two IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

100% fair to say.

I am with you on everything except, Arians is more than a feel good story, in my opinion. I think we got the quality coach. Guys has been around for a long time, and knows what he is doing. He was looked at for coach of the year for more than his boss getting sick. They pulled off quite a job with what they had in Indy. The guy is from the Tom Moore coaching tree, there is hope there.

But, the damage of losing Horton is going to kill next season, like 2-14 kill.

As for Todd Bowles ? I hope that is a rumor. If we didn't hire Horton cause he had a "never did anything offensive coordinator" then how is it Arians gets hired promoting a "never did anything defensive coordinator" ?

I mean Bowles has done nothing outside of being handed a DC job for a month after the fired the original DC from the team.

While I have hope with Arians, not a lot, but some. I with you Gee that next year is a Same Ol' Cardinals, Sun Devil stadium type season.

And if Arians doesn't pull off turning this around, this will be looked back as the the event that destroyed this organization for in one move.

Horton goes ? Well, that offense better get better quick. I am not in line with those who say we have all this talent on defense. It is the same talent that Bill Davis couldn't do squat with. They are NOT that good, Horton drove that squad to be good. BIG RISK, with even the chance of losing Horton, bigger if we lose him, and catastrophic on a Same ol' Cardinals suck for 20 years level if Arians is a bust.

That all being said....if you tell me to go shut up, I competely understand.

I have hope, but the situation is unsettling to say the least.

C'mon, Rugby. Do a little research first. He was Asst. HC/DBs coach for the Dolphins from 2008 to 2011, working with Paul Pasqualoni and then Mike Nolan (a pretty accomplished 3-4 DC). He was the interim HC in Miami after they axed Tony Sparano, and then moved over to Philly.

In a lot of ways, Todd Bowles has followed the same career path as Ray Horton.