Do Cards not pick a QB 1st round if....

[GatorAZ]

I see Roethlisberger coming over after this season. It would probably take at least a 2nd but mtl a 1st somewhere in the 20's to make it happen.

Arians reunites with his former #1.

Doubt it...

When push comes to shove = Keim > Arians

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Here's an honest question: outside of name recognition, why would you believe that Palmer is a more legitimate quarterback right now than Shaun Hill, much less one who's worth two to three times in salary cap space?

You're right in that, if we're picking football cards or something, I'd rather have Palmer than Hill. But based on recent performances, I'm not sure there's $5M space between their values.

I don't get where , or why, you using Shaun Hill. He has never played more than 10 games in a regular season and has only thrown 16 passes over the least 3 years.

The main reason I'd take Palmer is that he's shown he can still be a very good, not great, starting NFL QB. We don't really know what we'd getting in Hill. Theoretically, he could come in and play at a level close to Palmer but he's been pretty much a career backup and I don't see that all of a sudden changing. He's had some small doses of success but nothing I would bank on or make me think he'd be a guy I'd be comfortable with going forward. I would be fine with Palmer for another year, or two, with a young guy in the wings.

If Palmer was not around anymore and the choices were Drew Stanton or Hill, at this point in time, I don't know if we could really know who the better choice would be.

 

[Shaggy]

Stanton did look good in PS. Could be because he was playing again 4th stringers, but he had a nice poise to his stance and throws.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't get where , or why, you using Shaun Hill. He has never played more than 10 games in a regular season and has only thrown 16 passes over the least 3 years.

The main reason I'd take Palmer is that he's shown he can still be a very good, not great, starting NFL QB. We don't really know what we'd getting in Hill. Theoretically, he could come in and play at a level close to Palmer but he's been pretty much a career backup and I don't see that all of a sudden changing. He's had some small doses of success but nothing I would bank on or make me think he'd be a guy I'd be comfortable with going forward. I would be fine with Palmer for another year, or two, with a young guy in the wings.

If Palmer was not around anymore and the choices were Drew Stanton or Hill, at this point in time, I don't know if we could really know who the better choice would be.

Because he's a guy that's going to be available as a free agent who has the size and arm to run this offense at a discount.

I don't believe that Palmer has illustrated that he can be a "Very good" starting quarterback--and if so, it hasn't been in some time. There are lots of middling QBs who can beat up on the Little Sisters of the Poor that we've played the last three weeks.

I'm basically proposing a bridge that makes financial sense. I think if this team makes the playoffs, it's impossible to part ways with Palmer. So if this team mini-collapses in the last 6 games of the season, and Palmer is a part of that, then what are the options?

Let's be real here: Carson Palmer is completing 62.6% of his passes at 7.2 YPA with 14 TDs and 15 INTs. He's certainly not playing like the very good QB you suggest he is. Palmer's QBR is lower than Patrick Peterson's.

I don't want Shaun Hill to be our quarterback for the next five years, but if we don't draft a QB in the first round in the 2014 draft, I'm fine with saving some cash and having Hill be our quarterback for the next one year, because I believe he can be just as (in)competent as Carson Palmer at a fraction of the cost.

 

[Bodha]

THIS year, we need to take a QB



This year has alot of good ones. Weve been doing the stop gap thing since Leinart (Warner was a stop gap. A really good one, but he was 1 in a million)


this year has our franchise QB, we just need to have the intelligence and the balls to draft him

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Because he's a guy that's going to be available as a free agent who has the size and arm to run this offense at a discount.

I don't believe that Palmer has illustrated that he can be a "Very good" starting quarterback--and if so, it hasn't been in some time. There are lots of middling QBs who can beat up on the Little Sisters of the Poor that we've played the last three weeks.

I'm basically proposing a bridge that makes financial sense. I think if this team makes the playoffs, it's impossible to part ways with Palmer. So if this team mini-collapses in the last 6 games of the season, and Palmer is a part of that, then what are the options?

Let's be real here: Carson Palmer is completing 62.6% of his passes at 7.2 YPA with 14 TDs and 15 INTs. He's certainly not playing like the very good QB you suggest he is. Palmer's QBR is lower than Patrick Peterson's.

I don't want Shaun Hill to be our quarterback for the next five years, but if we don't draft a QB in the first round in the 2014 draft, I'm fine with saving some cash and having Hill be our quarterback for the next one year, because I believe he can be just as (in)competent as Carson Palmer at a fraction of the cost.

Peterson also has QBR better than Alex Smith, Eli Manning, RG III, Ryan Tannehill, and EJ Manuel. Maybe he's the answer.

The only thing holding Palmer in both QBR and passer rating is the high # of ints he has thrown. I'm not giving him a free pass but some of that has to be attributed to getting familiar with new players at game speed and game situations all within a new system. The OL being a mess doesn't help but a lot of QBs are dealing with that. I can deal with 1 int a game if he's completing a high % of passes and getting the ball downfield. It's the multiple pick games that need to be eliminated and, if he does that, he will continue to be the very good QB he has been the last few weeks.

I think CP, barring injury, will be the starting QB next year. A lot will be told over the next 6 games. If he's not the QB, I'd rather go with a rookie than spend 5-6 mill on Shaun Hill, or any stop gap for that matter.

At some point, the Cards are going to have bite the bullet, develop a young QB, and accept the learning curve that goes along with it.

 

[kerouac9]

Peterson also has QBR better than Alex Smith, Eli Manning, RG III, Ryan Tannehill, and EJ Manuel. Maybe he's the answer.

The only thing holding Palmer in both QBR and passer rating is the high # of ints he has thrown. I'm not giving him a free pass but some of that has to be attributed to getting familiar with new players at game speed and game situations all within a new system. The OL being a mess doesn't help but a lot of QBs are dealing with that. I can deal with 1 int a game if he's completing a high % of passes and getting the ball downfield. It's the multiple pick games that need to be eliminated and, if he does that, he will continue to be the very good QB he has been the last few weeks.

I think CP, barring injury, will be the starting QB next year. A lot will be told over the next 6 games. If he's not the QB, I'd rather go with a rookie than spend 5-6 mill on Shaun Hill, or any stop gap for that matter.

At some point, the Cards are going to have bite the bullet, develop a young QB, and accept the learning curve that goes along with it.

Oh, well if that's it, it's not like he hasn't thrown an INT in four of the last five games. Or five of the last six. Or six of the last seven. Etc. etc.

Carson Palmer's DYAR is less than Sam Bradford's, Mike Glennon's, Josh McCown's, Case Keenum's, Jason Campbell's, Jake Locker's, and Matt Cassel's. That's a murderer's row of "very good" quarterbacks, right?

He's 29th in DVOA. "Very good," right?

He's completing a "high percentage of his passes" alongside Matt Schaub, Mike Glennon, and Andy Dalton. All guys in the lead for the passing title. I mean, his completion percentage is just ONE POINT below that dead-eyed passer Christian Ponder.

But don't worry--the results speak for themselves. 31st in the NFL in third down percentage. 22nd in points per game. 19th in yards per game.

Clearly, Carson Palmer is worth a $12M cap hold in 2014.

 

[Duckjake]

Carson Palmer's completion percentage is 7 points higher than what the Cardinals did as a team last season. His QB Rating is 16.5 points higher. His sack % is half of Kolb's. Has any other QB than Kolb had a sack % of 12.9 with over 150 attempts?

My God our QBs were awful last season.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Oh, well if that's it, it's not like he hasn't thrown an INT in four of the last five games. Or five of the last six. Or six of the last seven. Etc. etc.

Carson Palmer's DYAR is less than Sam Bradford's, Mike Glennon's, Josh McCown's, Case Keenum's, Jason Campbell's, Jake Locker's, and Matt Cassel's. That's a murderer's row of "very good" quarterbacks, right?

He's 29th in DVOA. "Very good," right?

He's completing a "high percentage of his passes" alongside Matt Schaub, Mike Glennon, and Andy Dalton. All guys in the lead for the passing title. I mean, his completion percentage is just ONE POINT below that dead-eyed passer Christian Ponder.

But don't worry--the results speak for themselves. 31st in the NFL in third down percentage. 22nd in points per game. 19th in yards per game.

Clearly, Carson Palmer is worth a $12M cap hold in 2014.

I don't even know what DVOA and DYAR is. I said he's thrown INTs and that's what holding his numbers back. You can cherry pick stats all you want to justify your side of things. I'll live with a INT per game, like I said,
as long as he's getting the ball downfield and completing a high % of passes, which he has been doing.

12 mill is not ridiculous for a starting NFL QB, which Palmer is and has been his entire career. Paying 6 mill for a career backup, who basically hasn't played in 3 years, and hope he plays a like a starter is more risky to me.

I find it interesting you keep throwing all these QB names out there, yet haven't mentioned your boy Alex Smith. Even with all the Ints, DVR's and VCR's, Smith and Palmer, if you go by passer rating and QBR, are basically the same guy. Would you pay Smith 12 mill? He's 9-1 as a starter but obviously not any better than Palmer, at least according to the stats.

Just for reference:
Palmer QBR= 43.4 Smith 44.2
Palmer rating = 79.7 Smith 80.9

 

[Mulli]

Bump. Shaun Hill?



That is a fantastic take. Good job, good effort.

 

[kerouac9]

Bump. Shaun Hill?



That is a fantastic take. Good job, good effort.

It's a complicated reverse-jinx. But seeing what I've done for Daryl Washington and John Abraham, I just continue to boost this team.

Dark, dark magic.

 

[Cardiac]

If CP keeps playing like this then a QB will have to be hands down BPA in rd 1. He has 3 to 6 years left in his arm and we do still have some needs, especially at Oline and pass rusher.

 

[Mulli]

It's a complicated reverse-jinx. But seeing what I've done for Daryl Washington and John Abraham, I just continue to boost this team.

Dark, dark magic.

Add in my 2-14 prediction and calling for Drew Stanton several times, we are Dark Wizard Lords.

 

[Cardiac]

It's a complicated reverse-jinx. But seeing what I've done for Daryl Washington and John Abraham, I just continue to boost this team.

Dark, dark magic.

Add in my 2-14 prediction and calling for Drew Stanton several times, we are Dark Wizard Lords.

Translation, you were both flat out wrong and now want to take credit in some kind of nefarious way.

All good because I would never have predicted a 40-11 drubbing of the Colts.

 

[Mulli]

Translation, you were both flat out wrong and now want to take credit in some kind of nefarious way.

All good because I would never have predicted a 40-11 drubbing of the Colts.

 

[Cardiac]

Cards suck, GM sucks, HC sucks, most players suck. What, wait, we won, my reverse jinx is why. Weak sauce new daddy.

 

[Mulli]

Cards suck, GM sucks, HC sucks, most players suck. What, wait, we won, my reverse jinx is why. Weak sauce new daddy.

You suck.

 

[Cardiac]

You suck.

Hugs.

 

[Mulli]

Hugs.

Hugs.

 

[crisper57]

You suck.

Reverse jinx:

Cardiac goes on to make the post of the year.

 

[Mulli]

Reverse jinx:

Cardiac goes on to make the post of the year.

:highfive:

 

[Cardiac]

Reverse jinx:

Cardiac goes on to make the post of the year.

I've been reviewing film, working hard, eating right but man that's a lot of pressure.

How about; Cards rule and Mulli is all about his newborn so his mind isn't in the game.

 

[Bodha]

QB is still, and will forever be the #1 priority in this draft


got to fight emotion and near sightedness. CP is playing good as of late, but Kolb did too for a stretch

Hes not Warner. We arent winning the SB with him. Hes not our QB for the next 10 years

this year we have a real shot at a young franchise QB that BA can mold into that SB type QB

 

[GatorAZ]

Palmer is playing well enough to play 1 more year max. We need to draft a QB within the first 2 rounds.

 

[Shaggy]

QB is still, and will forever be the #1 priority in this draft


got to fight emotion and near sightedness. CP is playing good as of late, but Kolb did too for a stretch

Hes not Warner. We arent winning the SB with him. Hes not our QB for the next 10 years

this year we have a real shot at a young franchise QB that BA can mold into that SB type QB

Just want to save this quote so we can go back to it in the near future.

If CP keeps playing like this, we will not be going for a QB with our first pick. Thats not to say we don't get a QB, but not in the first round.