Do we have a rivalry with Dallas?
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the mavs have been much better without him. No disrespect for nash because he is the mvp. But it was a great move for both dallas and phoenix. I think jeff van gundy said it best. How do you lose an MVP and get better?
I'm from a town 34 miles south of dallas. I now live in glendale and i can't tell you how much i miss texas. So what do you mean by the people are horrid? are they not american there? I think both phoenix and dallas are great cities with great people. Both cities are fortunate to have great bball teams. It's clear that both cities have fans that give a bad name to all inclusive. Your post is very classy considering this thread is being critical of mavs fans. If you ask me you are coming down to their level.
I agree with your post. Remember some mavs fans don't speak for all. Those that are bashing the suns know that phoenix is a threat even if they don't admit it. I am a huge cowboys fans. And i will tell you the best thing in the world is to hear other fans bash the cowboys. They won't tell you to your face that they respect dallas. They just have a different way of showing that respect. I respect the suns. It's clear that they are much better than last year. Don't forget that the suns were great last year because of the emergence of barbosa, diaw, and even raja bell despite the loss of amare. KT has been injured for a long time now so i can't see him ever being much of a factor, but that's just me. As far as the all star thing. I think mavs fans have the right to be disappointed. If the shoe was on the other foot and phoenix had 1 all star their fans would be up in arms as well. Josh Howard is a great ALL Purpose player. He can handle the ball and create his own shot. He is also a great defender and rebounder. He typically elevates his game in big games. Remember he is also a very young player that has drastically improved every season. I think it would have been fair if he made the all star game.
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You'll find that the more serious posters on this board prefer to interact with those who are able to look up elementary information rather than ask questions about it. NBA.com has the complete league schedule, for instance.
Other than that, welcome.
It was probably a rhetorical question. I would imagine he meant something along the lines of, "last game was fun, looking forward to the next."
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msdundee
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This board is better than most, but it does help to have a sense of humor. If you hang around long enough, after a while all the pomposity is good for laughs.
Phxchris1989
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I hate the Mavs more than any team. Lakers are a close second, but only because their fans are retards.
Edit: In reguard to other teams:
San Antonio: I can't really hate the Spurs but I don't really like the Spurs. We stopped in San Antonio on our way from Tucson to North Carolina. San Antonio reminded me a lot of the city of Phoenix, and I love the city of Phoenix so yeah. Though Manu Ginobli is increadibly annoying.
Clippers:They remind me of that kid that always got picked on in school. He gets the crap beaten out of him almost regularly, but when he does beat the bullies you feel good inside.
Jazz: These guys are really starting to piss me off.
Wizards: I know it sounds wierd, but I liked Arenas last season, but this season he seems more arrogant. Yeah I know he backs up his words, but meh. He just seems like it's gone too his head.
Edit: In reguard to other teams:
San Antonio: I can't really hate the Spurs but I don't really like the Spurs. We stopped in San Antonio on our way from Tucson to North Carolina. San Antonio reminded me a lot of the city of Phoenix, and I love the city of Phoenix so yeah. Though Manu Ginobli is increadibly annoying.
Clippers:They remind me of that kid that always got picked on in school. He gets the crap beaten out of him almost regularly, but when he does beat the bullies you feel good inside.
Jazz: These guys are really starting to piss me off.
Wizards: I know it sounds wierd, but I liked Arenas last season, but this season he seems more arrogant. Yeah I know he backs up his words, but meh. He just seems like it's gone too his head.
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forgive me..... I'll take that in stride being that i'm just new and all. I actually made a mistake with a double post so i couldn't think of how to make an edit. I was just thinking about attending the next suns/mavs game at the palace wearing my josh howard jersey.
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why do all of you hate ginobli so much. he is a great player. I guess i can understand why. His style is simular to that of one raja bell in drawing calls and playing a physical nature......so let's not be hypocritical. almost every team in the league has a player that plays such a style.
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This is pretty simple: Ginobli's flops have a way of collateral damage for the Suns, such as an egregious acting job that cost Barbosa two months of playing time. It would be one thing if he was subtle about it. Even I can appreciate that. It's entirely another when he gets so out of control he becomes a danger to others. I'd love to see a list of people who've been injured by one of his flops.
I didn't see or hear of that one taking place. I will say like i said on another thread....ginobli is not the only player in the league that does those types of things. Almost every NBA team has one. Quentin Richardson comes to mind. Harris of the mavs does it as well. Raja Bell is a guy that flops around to draw calls as well. I saw him do it all the time when he was a maverick as well.
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Dallas residents -- because they are in Texas -- are far more parochial about their sports teams than Phoenix fans, because they probably have deeeeep roots there. Phoenix, traditionally a city of imports, is not a city of deep roots. It's almost the opposite.
Suns fans have the longest ingrained fan base of any Valley team short of Sun Devil football, so it's one of the few topics that will draw out a large number of people willing to wear their team colors on their shirt sleeve. Two visits to the Finals, two heartbreaking series, the coin flip ... it all adds up to nearly 35 years of pent-up frustration. I'm surprised we're not a bit more ... testy about other teams, but I think a lot of us settled into detached rooting interest a long time ago. So perhaps that makes us a little closer to East Coast fans who really know basketball. Or not. I'm not quite sure. I do think the Suns fans who show up at the arena the last five years or so are light years more knowledgeable than the uneducated masses who filled the Suns stands before them. I don't really have an explanation for that other than maybe 30 years as a fan base is the threshold for enlightened basketball crowds. The Mavs fans have three or four more years by that standards, but it's a hard and fast rule. LA has had the Lakers since 1960, but success has severely stunted their maturity.
As someone who's done a good bit of traveling, I find there is much to be desired about both places, particularly in terms of culture. However, affordable real estate and reasonable cost of living keep me bound.
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Raja Bell flops, he does not send himself sprawling across the court like he's been shot out of a cannon. There's a huge difference. Drawing charges is a time-honored tradition in the game. I have no problem with flopping as an art. I have a problem with the less than artistic. You won't see Bell pretend like a 170-pound guard knocked him 15 feet into the knees of another player.
I don't know about that. I know raja did stuff like that in dallas....and i've seen him flopping in phoenix as well. It's all acting when a player is trying to draw a call. and that's what they do. Like i said....almost every nba team has a player that consistently tries to draw that contact. Ginobli is clever in what he does i admit.
you are right about the dallas fans. With all of the football tradition there....the mavs are actually the best thing going for DFW sports fans right now. So they are trying to live in the moment. Just 10 yrs ago the mavs were the laughing stock of the nba....so understand that some of these fans are caught up in the moment.
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Why do I hate Ginobli? because I'm a Suns fan.
If that was the criteria, then Duncan would be public enemy number 1. He isn't, because while he gets a free ride from the refs. By contrast, Manu's flopping is perceived as a form of cheating.
People in Dallas, and Texas in general are the worst types of Americans that exist. I'm sure there are a lot of nice people there, but here is one sentence that should explain why people find Texans so annoying:
"Everythings bigger and better in Texas"
No, its not. Go to hell. Texans in general, along with New Yorkers are the most arrogant Americans in regards to their home state/city. Everyone I've ever met from Texas who has moved somewhere else is constantly bitching "x is so much better in Texas, y is so much better in Texas"- jesus, then go back to Texas.
Furthermore, even with out the people, Texas is a wasteland. The natural area is just very unattractive in my opinion. I'd be depressed living there, it can not match the natural beauty and diversity of Arizona.
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Ginonbili, like Karl Malone, is reckless when doing their "moves". They have signs on their heads "Injure at your own risk if you dare to come near me". Needless to say, we have evidence that they carried through on that promise and get people seriously injured over their careers.
Who did Raja hurt that bad at all? Raja was good for clothlining Kobe out of frustration with refs, but he was not doing things like Kobe's slap on Manu that got him suspended for a game. That's huge difference between the flopping acts by Raja and those by Manu.
Who did Raja hurt that bad at all? Raja was good for clothlining Kobe out of frustration with refs, but he was not doing things like Kobe's slap on Manu that got him suspended for a game. That's huge difference between the flopping acts by Raja and those by Manu.
arizona is a beautiful state.....I'm not here by choice because i'm in the military. If i could afford to move back to texas i would. Texas is a very diverse state. Yes texans are arrogant, but they are just proud of their home state....just as suns fans are proud of their team. So that makes us bad americans? I'm a bad american then serving my country i guess. I love arizona.....there are much better places than dusty phoenix though. Other than that the valley is a nice place.
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LOL. It's interesting that in Alaska's major city, the locals resent the growth, and refer to it as "Los Anchorage".
Texas isn't only wasteland. There are many different landscapes in texas. West texas has a simular landscape as what you see in the valley. Either way there are many different places in Texas, it just depends where you go.
