Do you think the Suns will make playoffs?

[sunsfan88]

Clippers have to be the target for the Suns to catch now if they want to make the playoffs. San Antonio just pushed them to 7th, they've got a brutal stretch of 7 games including 2 games each with Houston and Memphis and now Griffin is out from 2-6 weeks.

Still they're 4 games ahead of Phoenix right now and they have an easier overall schedule till the end.

They've also won the season series against the Suns.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Jazz down the Pelicans on the road tonight. The Pelicans and the Thunder are only one game behind the Suns in the loss column.

 

[sunsfan88]

Thunder are now just a half game behind the Suns for #8 seed.

The Suns kept the spot nice and warm to give to them.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think the question is now how many games will the Suns be behind the 8th seed before they start playing the youngsters more? Provided they don't make a trade in an attempt to get back in the race of course. I don't believe many here think they'll be able to hold onto the spot with the roster as is.

They should shop Green regardless, a contender would probably be willing to part with a late first round pick in order to add to their bench scoring and depth at SG/SF. The chances of him returning are really slim, even if he was affordable he should be let go just to free up minutes for Warren, Goodwin, Bullock, and even Zoran. Ideally they'd be able to get a pick in a year or two, not this upcoming draft. They shouldn't need another 2015 pick with all the young players they have now in addition to Bogdanović & Alec Brown possibly being brought in, add all of those guys to our own lottery pick and maybe the Lakers pick and that's too much youth to develop at the same time.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think the question is now how many games will the Suns be behind the 8th seed before they start playing the youngsters more? Provided they don't make a trade in an attempt to get back in the race of course. I don't believe many here think they'll be able to hold onto the spot with the roster as is.

They should shop Green regardless, a contender would probably be willing to part with a late first round pick in order to add to their bench scoring and depth at SG/SF. The chances of him returning are really slim, even if he was affordable he should be let go just to free up minutes for Warren, Goodwin, Bullock, and even Zoran. Ideally they'd be able to get a pick in a year or two, not this upcoming draft. They shouldn't need another 2015 pick with all the young players they have now in addition to Bogdanović & Alec Brown possibly being brought in, add all of those guys to our own lottery pick and maybe the Lakers pick and that's too much youth to develop at the same time.

Green will definitely not bring in a 1st rd pick, not even a late one. His contract is too short and his skill set isn't enough. He's a one trick pony (whose not even that great at that) who is a major liability on the other end of the court.

 

[FArting]

This week is huge for the Suns

Play Boston tonight and Denver on Wednesday
OKC vs Indiana on Tuesday

If we win these next 2 games we will be a game behind OKC entering Thursday nights game.

 

[95pro]

Back to back against OKC = loss

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns remaining schedule is too tough to be thinking playoffs.

 

[FArting]

Huge game against OKC tomorrow.

We will beat them

Durant is out
Adams is out

Roberson is their SG and Singler SF. They both suck.

 

[TJ]

The Suns suck too much to be thinking playoffs.

FTFY

 

[sunsfan88]

Huge game against OKC tomorrow.

We will beat them

Durant is out
Adams is out

Roberson is their SG and Singler SF. They both suck.

They still have Westbrook and Kanter. Westbrook dominates everyone but he especially throws around Eric Bledsoe like a rag doll and just makes him his female dog everytime.

Maybe if we have Knight guarding Westbrook leading to better luck. Even then Kanter is gonna be a handful for our piss poor front court, Len can't do it all by himself.

 

[Phrazbit]

They still have Westbrook and Kanter. Westbrook dominates everyone but he especially throws around Eric Bledsoe like a rag doll and just makes him his female dog everytime.

Maybe if we have Knight guarding Westbrook leading to better luck. Even then Kanter is gonna be a handful for our piss poor front court, Len can't do it all by himself.

Uhhhnnnggg... its like deja vu.

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His defense is incredibly overrated. Darren Collison and CP3 took turns breaking his ankles against the Clippers. And then yesterday Westbrook got to the rim at ease against Bledsoe so they switched and had Dragic guard WB in the 4th for quite a few possessions. Westbrook played worse against Ish than he did against Bledsoe.

He's good at reading the offense, anticipating passes and giving help to other defenders but his one on one defense really isn't all that great.

And yet the Suns as a team are substantially better defensively when Bledsoe is in the game. They give up 5 less points per 100 possessions when he is on the court, opposing shooting drops by nearly 3% when Bledsoe is playing. And the Suns go from 20-19 without him to being 26-12 when he has played. A winning percentage that would put them 5th in the entire league over the season.

And I know you looooooove to spout nonsense on the prayer that no one looks it up, but last night Westbrook was 9-23 and scored 21 points while Bledsoe was in the game, leaving him 3-3 and scoring 12 when Bledsoe was resting. So clearly Ish was not troubling him too much compared to Bledsoe.

And in the Clipper game Paul shot 6-17... but hey, those 6 makes apparently came on "ankle breakers", how embarrassing.

So... Westbrook went 9-23 vs Bledsoe in that meeting, in the first meeting this year he was 7-18... that adds up to a 36% shooting percentage. Man, he really kills him. What a "female dog" display of defense. But hey, Westbook scored pretty well in their final meeting of 13/14... before fouling out trying to cover Bledsoe.

Oh, and he flat out torched the Suns in their second meeting last year!!! Shot nearly 60%, what a female dogging!!! Oh... shoot. Bledsoe didn't play that game. That was Goran covering him.

I'm sure you're not going to respond because you're pretending to have me on ignore... but seriously. Check your facts on occasion. This stuff is embarrassing.

 

[Phrazbit]

Bump for the "rag doll" and "female dog", who did what he usually does to Westbrook. Made him an inefficient chucker.

Westbrook is shooting 34% vs the Suns this season, only 2 teams hold him to a lower percentage, Memphis and the Clippers. In the 5 games they've played against each other since Bledsoe joined the Suns Westbrook has shot a combined 41-111 or 37%. Only once has he cracked 40% vs Bledsoe and in that game Bledsoe caused Westbrook to foul out.

But, apparently that amounts to getting beaten like a rag doll.

 

[slinslin]

SF88 is the king of trolls so what would you expect, wrong as usual in both his prediction and assesment of the past.

 

[Errntknght]

Bump for the "rag doll" and "female dog", who did what he usually does to Westbrook. Made him an inefficient chucker.

Westbrook is shooting 34% vs the Suns this season, only 2 teams hold him to a lower percentage, Memphis and the Clippers. In the 5 games they've played against each other since Bledsoe joined the Suns Westbrook has shot a combined 41-111 or 37%. Only once has he cracked 40% vs Bledsoe and in that game Bledsoe caused Westbrook to foul out.

But, apparently that amounts to getting beaten like a rag doll.

My question is where do you find stats that detailed. 82games collects the raw data which could produce them and SportsVu has even better data for the last two years but I've visited their sites and never noticed a link which seemed to me like it would lead to those head-to-head stats or even team vs team stats. I believe slinslin also quoted similar kinds of stats in another recent post.

 

[slinslin]

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On game-tying 3-point play, Westbrook was guarded by Markieff Morris, not Eric Bledsoe. Westbrook was 4-21 vs Bledsoe, 6-11 vs all others.

 

[sunsfan88]

SF88 is the king of trolls so what would you expect, wrong as usual in both his prediction and assesment of the past.

If I'm the King, what does that make you? The God? For all the trolling that you've done which has resulted in multiple permanent bans on various sites?

 

[devilalum]

Bledsoe was superhuman last night. The Suns could catch the Thunder but they need to go on about and 8 game winning streak to make up for the last few weeks. Never know, their confidence should be sky high after last night.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Bledsoe was superhuman last night. The Suns could catch the Thunder but they need to go on about and 8 game winning streak to make up for the last few weeks. Never know, their confidence should be sky high after last night.

Last night was a great win against a team that has been playing well but still, they were minus their starting center PLUS the reigning league MVP. It's a nice victory but I still think it's time to play for the future. That also entails getting Bledsoe and Knight a lot of time together but it also means we need to see Goodwin, Warren and Bullock every game.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

Last night was a great win against a team that has been playing well but still, they were minus their starting center PLUS the reigning league MVP. It's a nice victory but I still think it's time to play for the future. That also entails getting Bledsoe and Knight a lot of time together but it also means we need to see Goodwin, Warren and Bullock every game.

Steve

It'll sort itself out. If they go 5-5 over the next 10 games they'll be toast anyway.

 

[sunsfan88]

Last night was a great win against a team that has been playing well but still, they were minus their starting center PLUS the reigning league MVP. It's a nice victory but I still think it's time to play for the future. That also entails getting Bledsoe and Knight a lot of time together but it also means we need to see Goodwin, Warren and Bullock every game.

Steve

I'm glad your finally joining me on my sinking ship.

 

[3rdside]

Last night was a great win against a team that has been playing well but still, they were minus their starting center PLUS the reigning league MVP. It's a nice victory but I still think it's time to play for the future. That also entails getting Bledsoe and Knight a lot of time together but it also means we need to see Goodwin, Warren and Bullock every game.

Steve

On the basis of the tight OT game and the number of minutes our starters played, it's pretty clear - to me anyway - that RMcD wants to / has to make a strong playoff push to make up for last week's Dragic mess; he would not currently be looked upon in a completely favourable light by Babby / Sarver because of the reputation hit this club took.

So he's got to deliver a credible playoff charge - it's no wonder then that in tight games like these (on this basis, and for the immediate future only), the rookies will see limited minutes.

 

[3rdside]

...But in blow outs / looser games - play the GD rookies!

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm glad your finally joining me on my sinking ship.

I am not joining you, far from it. I've said something like this all along. They needed to earn their time especially with our focus correctly aimed at winning. These guys have, from all reports, earned their time by doing what's been asked of them and it is now time to focus more on the future than the short term. Jeff and company did the right thing in November, now I just hope they'll do the right thing in March and April.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

...But in blow outs / looser games - play the GD rookies!

I'd like to see them go a little further than this. I think the young guys should get regular minutes in the first half and as long as it doesn't clearly sabotage our efforts to win the game, they should get minutes in the second half too. Maybe not every young player, every game but each of those 3 should see some regular minutes. I'd even play them occasionally during the stretch run of close games as that is also a part of their learning process. Jeff still has to coach to win, he owes that to the veterans on the roster, but as a priority it shouldn't stand much higher than the need to prepare the young players for next season and beyond.

Steve