Does a team take a flyer on Tebow in the 1st round??

[cardsfanmd]

Tim Tebow might not play QB but for right now hes a QB so Weatherspoon has always played OLB so he is an OLB until the cards draft him and play him at ILB. I think the cards would be all over Graham if hes there.

no

Here's an excerpt from Walterfootball's (my favorite draft site--if you haven't bookmarked it yet make sure you do, it's awesome) most recent mock

Arizona Cardinals: Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
What a painful offseason for Cardinals fans. Not only are they losing Kurt Warner and bringing in the Nick Lachey Hot Tub Offense; but Karlos Dansby is likely to sign elsewhere. Dansby is reportedly seeking $30 million in guaranteed money, effectively pricing himself out of most teams' financial limits.

The Cardinals can fix things by trading for Donovan McNabb or drafting Sean Weatherspoon, but both would ultimately require this selection.

Weatherspoon is a natural 4-3 weakside linebacker, but he could also be very effective in the middle of a 3-4. He'll take Dansby's spot and offer his tremendous leadership to an Arizona defense that surrendered 90 points in its final two games last year.

Pick change; previously Brandon Graham, DE/OLB

 

[HoodieBets]

no

Here's an excerpt from Walterfootball's (my favorite draft site--if you haven't bookmarked it yet make sure you do, it's awesome) most recent mock

Yeah i checked out the website before i posted my comment but two of my favorite draft sites are draft countdown and NFL draft scout, both sites have him listed as an OLB, draft countdown has him being drafted to philly and playing on the outside. If we do draft him would we put him in the middle sure but hes still a OLB and prob better there due to his ability to blitz off the outside with his speed (dont be surprised to see a 4.55 40 which would prob be the fastest 40 for any 1st or 2nd round OLB) which is one of his greatest strengths, when you see the ticker on draft day it will say Sean Weatherspoon/OLB Missouri

 

[cardsfanmd]

The answer is HE SHOULD BE

My issue is that he put up WAAAAAAAAAY better numbers, is a better leader, 10 X's more intelligent and his mechanics are no worse than Vince Young, yet Young was a consensus top 5 pick going into the draft and Tebow gets hated on. I know what I think the reason is, what say you?

Here's a quote from an email to walterfootball.com:


It's draft day and there are 4 QBs... which one would you choose?

QB #1 4 years with a record of 21-20.
QB #2 3 years with 4,121 yds, 25 TDs, 25 Ints.
QB #3 3 years with 10,829 yds pass, 80 TDs, 23 Ints, 65.5% pass, 354 yds rush with 7 TDs.
QB #4 4 years with 9,285 yds pass, 88 TDs, 16 Ints, 66.4% pass, 2,947 yds rush with 57 TDs.

QB #1 is Terry Bradshaw
QB #2 is Joe Montana
QB #3 is Ben Roethlisberger
QB #4 is Tim Tebow

The first three have 10 Super Bowl victories between them. They also have what Timmy has .... MOJO. They are all winners. You can't put a number on that. Mechanics and numbers don't mean a thing to a winner.

I have read the totally asinine comments from the Tebow haters. I am not a Florida fan either. In fact, I am so tired of hearing about the Gators from my family and friends that I hope they lose every game next year. But Tim is the real deal. They can doubt him if they want to, but it will only make him play harder. He'll prove them all wrong just like he always does.

 

[HoodieBets]

My issue is that he put up WAAAAAAAAAY better numbers, is a better leader, 10 X's more intelligent and his mechanics are no worse than Vince Young, yet Young was a consensus top 5 pick going into the draft and Tebow gets hated on. I know what I think the reason is, what say you?

Here's a quote from an email to walterfootball.com:


It's draft day and there are 4 QBs... which one would you choose?

QB #1 4 years with a record of 21-20.
QB #2 3 years with 4,121 yds, 25 TDs, 25 Ints.
QB #3 3 years with 10,829 yds pass, 80 TDs, 23 Ints, 65.5% pass, 354 yds rush with 7 TDs.
QB #4 4 years with 9,285 yds pass, 88 TDs, 16 Ints, 66.4% pass, 2,947 yds rush with 57 TDs.

QB #1 is Terry Bradshaw
QB #2 is Joe Montana
QB #3 is Ben Roethlisberger
QB #4 is Tim Tebow

The first three have 10 Super Bowl victories between them. They also have what Timmy has .... MOJO. They are all winners. You can't put a number on that. Mechanics and numbers don't mean a thing to a winner.

I have read the totally asinine comments from the Tebow haters. I am not a Florida fan either. In fact, I am so tired of hearing about the Gators from my family and friends that I hope they lose every game next year. But Tim is the real deal. They can doubt him if they want to, but it will only make him play harder. He'll prove them all wrong just like he always does.

+1 couldnt have said it better myself

 

[WarnerHOF]

My issue is that he put up WAAAAAAAAAY better numbers, is a better leader, 10 X's more intelligent and his mechanics are no worse than Vince Young, yet Young was a consensus top 5 pick going into the draft and Tebow gets hated on. I know what I think the reason is, what say you?

Here's a quote from an email to walterfootball.com:


It's draft day and there are 4 QBs... which one would you choose?

QB #1 4 years with a record of 21-20.
QB #2 3 years with 4,121 yds, 25 TDs, 25 Ints.
QB #3 3 years with 10,829 yds pass, 80 TDs, 23 Ints, 65.5% pass, 354 yds rush with 7 TDs.
QB #4 4 years with 9,285 yds pass, 88 TDs, 16 Ints, 66.4% pass, 2,947 yds rush with 57 TDs.

QB #1 is Terry Bradshaw
QB #2 is Joe Montana
QB #3 is Ben Roethlisberger
QB #4 is Tim Tebow

The first three have 10 Super Bowl victories between them. They also have what Timmy has .... MOJO. They are all winners. You can't put a number on that. Mechanics and numbers don't mean a thing to a winner.

I have read the totally asinine comments from the Tebow haters. I am not a Florida fan either. In fact, I am so tired of hearing about the Gators from my family and friends that I hope they lose every game next year. But Tim is the real deal. They can doubt him if they want to, but it will only make him play harder. He'll prove them all wrong just like he always does.

Using college numbers is a horrible way to compare how QBs in college will do in the pro's. Tebow plays in a Urban Meyer offense which completely inflates stats. If the senior bowl showed you anything, it will be that Tebow will never be anything in the NFL. Chris Leak, Matt Flynn were all winners in college and Tebow isn't a better prospect than any of them.

Vince Young had better mechanics and fast enough to use legs in the NFL unlike Tebow. Young's release is probably one of the fastest in the NFL.

Leadership and work ethic can only get you so far imo when you don't have the talent.

 

[Zeno]

Using college numbers is a horrible way to compare how QBs in college will do in the pro's. Tebow plays in a Urban Meyer offense which completely inflates stats. If the senior bowl showed you anything, it will be that Tebow will never be anything in the NFL. Chris Leak, Matt Flynn were all winners in college and Tebow isn't a better prospect than any of them.

Vince Young had better mechanics and fast enough to use legs in the NFL unlike Tebow. Young's release is probably one of the fastest in the NFL.

Leadership and work ethic can only get you so far imo when you don't have the talent.

Absolutely agree...if you went strictly by college numbers the Texas Tech starting QB would be the #1 overall choice every year in the draft...or Colt Brennan would be a NFL superstar already.

Aside from Youngs release, his arm strength blows away Tebow...it is not even close.

Tebow is a good kid, he is a leader and he is tough as nails but he needs work to be a QB in the NFL...I saw an article yesterday where one "unnamed" NFL GM said he would benefit from going to a team like the Patriots or Colts where he could sit for 2 years without having to worry about playing and I agree.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Tebow = Danny Weurful with some charisma...he will be a crappy NFL QB...peroid.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Tebow is drafted in the 1st round by anyone, that GM should be fired immediately

you almost have me wanting the Cards to draft him at 26 .

 

[PJ1]

I think it would be great if someone in our division took him in the first round.

 

[Buckybird]

you almost have me wanting the Cards to draft him at 26 .

 

[Spielman]

I think it would be great if someone in our division took him in the first round.

I'm scared enough that the Rams will take him in the 2nd.

 

[HoodieBets]

I'm scared enough that the Rams will take him in the 2nd.

Suh and Tebow first two picks sounds pretty solid to me

 

[Spielman]

Suh and Tebow first two picks sounds pretty solid to me

Yeah, it might very well turn out better than Bradford and some schlub in the 2nd. But I don't think that it would be because of Tebow.

 

[HoodieBets]

Yeah, it might very well turn out better than Bradford and some schlub in the 2nd. But I don't think that it would be because of Tebow.

To be honest id rather have Tebow who is never hurt then to have Bradford who is just as fragile as bulger is now. Any team who takes bradford will never have a healthy QB and who ever has Klaussen will have the next ryan leaf immature and not ready for the spotlight and money

 

[Spielman]

To be honest id rather have Tebow who is never hurt then to have Bradford who is just as fragile as bulger is now. Any team who takes bradford will never have a healthy QB and who ever has Klaussen will have the next ryan leaf immature and not ready for the spotlight and money

Yeah, I'm not exactly unconcerned about Bradford's shoulder, but I don't see how having one separated shoulder that got re-injured a few weeks later translates to "as fragile as bulger" and "will never have a healthy QB".

I'm afraid you're right about Claussen. I don't think there's much chance the Rams take him, though. It's gonna be Bradford if the medical stuff checks out well enough, with or without a trade down, and it'll be Suh if Bradford's shoulder makes them nervous enough.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I wish this was a vbookie so I could bet no and double up.

 

[HoodieBets]

Yeah, I'm not exactly unconcerned about Bradford's shoulder, but I don't see how having one separated shoulder that got re-injured a few weeks later translates to "as fragile as bulger" and "will never have a healthy QB".

I'm afraid you're right about Claussen. I don't think there's much chance the Rams take him, though. It's gonna be Bradford if the medical stuff checks out well enough, with or without a trade down, and it'll be Suh if Bradford's shoulder makes them nervous enough.

I would be extremely worried about the shoulder and i prob over exagerated a little bit but i wouldnt touch him with a ten foot pole if i had a top 10 pick, the risk with the shoulder and the amount of money outweighs the could be rewards.

IMO I think the rams have to take Suh and build on that young defense, and then pick up a tebow, pike or lefevour in the 2nd or 3rd

 

[Mulli]

I wonder if the NFL people saw how Vince Young was almost out of the league (until last year) partly to wackiness, of course, but also partly due to his skill set. Even when VY plays well in the NFL, he is not really throwing it all over the place like Peyton Manning, except against the Cardinals.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think the problem for tebow is that his stock is too low to be a first round pick. he is paying the price now for other busts like alex smith. VY had the benefit leaving school on a high note with an incredible junior season in which he showed incredible improvement in his passing ability. A texas fan will remember that in his sophomore year of college there were people saying VY's passing ability/low release would never elevate texas to the next level and he needed to change positions. and VY looked bad(through the air) at times that year...almost reminds me of this year's version of the Ohio St guy. arguements can be made to compare the two, but tebow is getting hardly any first or high second round grades by experts. because of this GM's/front office members will not be keen to spend a first round pick on a player that would likely be available later down the line.

the j-ville theory to me doesn't make a lot of sense. yes they can sale tix initially. but if tebow flops it could set them back even more and would ultimately cause more problems. certainly most GM's aren't going to reach on a guy that isn't getting a first round grade.

 

[Spielman]

I think the problem for tebow is that his stock is too low to be a first round pick.

Thing is, it only takes one. (Well, one that has a suspicion that there might be more than one.) Matt Jones and Sebastian Janikowski come to mind... there was a wide range of opinion on both those guys, on where they should go, and both went early. I kind of expect that Tebow will be the same way.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Even when VY plays well in the NFL, he is not really throwing it all over the place like Peyton Manning, except against the Cardinals.

 

[Bert]

With news that he is working on his mechanics to fit a more pro style offense, he has stated that his goal is to crack the 1st round. What do you think?

Do I want to draft a QB in the first round who is currently learning how to be a QB?

No thanks.

 

[TJ]

To me, it's highly doubtful he makes it to the first round. For starters, he is trying to learn pro-style quarterbacking on the fly. Not sure many suitors want to throw lots of guaranteed money at that proposition.

Second, this is a draft where teams have an opportunity bolster their defense and/or offensive line in the first round. There is so much front end talent this season. From a Cardinals' perspective, we should get good quality and value at 26, especially at linebacker.

I'm not a GM (I just play one on TV) but I'd just go with BPA and see where the chips fall in the later rounds.

What I heard on ESPN and the Examiner is that Tebow is really impressing teams in multiple areas of the combine. He ran a 4.7 40, 38.5" vertical and he nailed his interviews (not surprisingly). The one thing that is going to hurt him is that he elected not to throw with the assumption that his mechanics are not there yet. He's going to wait until his pro day later in the month.

Now I saw this interesting tidbit on WalterFootball.com 's mock draft. This is from the Jaguars with reference to Tebow:

The talk at the Senior Bowl was how dire things are in a few NFL cities, particularly Jacksonville. Wayne Weaver lost a lot of money this year. And by a lot of money, I mean A LOT OF MONEY. The situation is code-red for the Jaguars. Not even Jack Bauer, Chuck Norris or Carl Winslow could remedy things.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

My guess is if Tebow does not get picked up by the Jags at either #10 or somewhere else in the first round if they elect to trade down, he is not a first rounder. I do believe that if he does do well throwing the ball at his pro day, you can almost guarantee he will be picked in the 2nd round.

 

[ARZCardinals]

2nd round...yes....

He WILL go in the 2nd. With the throwing mechanics as bad as they are...no he can not be taken seriously with a #1....then again...SF may take him as they have 2 #1's.

Someone will take a flyer on him...

he has won a lot of games and his character is equal to Peyton.

 

[TJ]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5003533

It appears he will be invited to the draft this season.

This doesnt necessarily mean he'll be a 1st round pick because of the new 3 day structure.