Does LD get the franchise tag from the new HC/GM?

[Big Deal]

If I were coming in to this situation as a new HC or GM I would insist on placing the tag on LD then moving him to G. If it only comes down to money and we are going to be the U.S. deficit under the cap then I would want to field the best possible team. If he is one of the top 2-3 OL in FA then I would not let him get away.


Flame away......

 

[D-Dogg]

As much as Big frustrates me, I am often on the side of the fence where you just have to keep him. Until we get a legit guy to take his place you have to have him there.

However, yes...as a new coach with this team I'd put the guy at Guard immediately and keep him. He is not, and never will be, a tackle.

 

[abomb]

I wish someone would get to the bottom of this "Davis isnt playing G" business. Who's making the call? Is there some secret handshake? Every single thing I read on the subject says he should be a G. Does he have nekkid pictures of some Bidwill family party?

 

[Burg72]

I would put the tag on him with the hopes that some team would overpay for him and we can get compensated. I do not like him at all. I think he sets the whole tone for our offensive line. Bad work ethic and no desire or heart. Just let him and his RC cars go to another team and we can get a dirty bulldog of a lineman to wake this bunch up.

 

[AZCB34]

As much as Big frustrates me, I am often on the side of the fence where you just have to keep him. Until we get a legit guy to take his place you have to have him there.

However, yes...as a new coach with this team I'd put the guy at Guard immediately and keep him. He is not, and never will be, a tackle.

yeah...probably. They only problem is, you tag hit at LT pay and then move him to G...I don't know about that. I actually think alot of teams may see him as RT or G.

They may have to tag him at this point.

 

[Big Deal]

yeah...probably. They only problem is, you tag hit at LT pay and then move him to G...

Why in the world would ANY fan of this team care about the cap hit? I don't get it, there isn't any way they could spend what they will have this offseason. Would you not be willing to overpay? Trust me, that is the only way we are going to get ANYONE to come here. Everyone looks at EJ and feels sorry for him, this team is screwed as far as FA go.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wish someone would get to the bottom of this "Davis isnt playing G" business. Who's making the call? Is there some secret handshake? Every single thing I read on the subject says he should be a G. Does he have nekkid pictures of some Bidwill family party?

It's mostly just people on here that think Big would excel at guard. Nobody really has any idea if he's a better G or LT. It's the fashionable thing to say. Just like it's becoming more and more popular to say move Rolle to safety. The coaches are going to put the players in their best position to be successful no matter what all the great talent evaluators here think. I say he's a top 10 LT in the league. As i said before, i think that was proven when the players voted him as an alternate to the pro bowl last year. It was 2nd alternate but that's still a top 10(actually top 8) LT in the league. And that's voted by coaches and players who play against him every week. Granted, he's not playing to #2 overall pick level but i think he's a whipping boy here mainly because of his contract and draft status. Put Gorin out there and we'll see just how good Big is.

 

[joeshmo]

If they are smart they will.

This upcoming FA and cap economic market is a perfect scenerio for trades to go down. Lack of Free Agents + lots of cap space + teams must find a way to upgrade their teams somehow = trade scenerios galore.

Tag him with the assumption he will not be back what so ever. The guys lack of physical and mental toughness is a plague on this OL. Davis isnt the only one either.

 

[AZCB34]

Why in the world would ANY fan of this team care about the cap hit? I don't get it, there isn't any way they could spend what they will have this offseason. Would you not be willing to overpay? Trust me, that is the only way we are going to get ANYONE to come here. Everyone looks at EJ and feels sorry for him, this team is screwed as far as FA go.

It's got nothing to do with cap hit. Mainly it is, why pay a G, LT money? That's all. Just not a fan of it because you set a certain precedent with it and somewhere down the line, it could have rmaifications.

It is like buying a new car but offering to pay more $$$ than the sticker says you need to pay. Does it matter to you? Maybe not but it doesn;t make it smart business.

 

[D-Dogg]

It's mostly just people on here that think Big would excel at guard. Nobody really has any idea if he's a better G or LT. It's the fashionable thing to say. Just like it's becoming more and more popular to say move Rolle to safety. The coaches are going to put the players in their best position to be successful no matter what all the great talent evaluators here think. I say he's a top 10 LT in the league. As i said before, i think that was proven when the players voted him as an alternate to the pro bowl last year. It was 2nd alternate but that's still a top 10(actually top 8) LT in the league. And that's voted by coaches and players who play against him every week. Granted, he's not playing to #2 overall pick level but i think he's a whipping boy here mainly because of his contract and draft status. Put Gorin out there and we'll see just how good Big is.

I don't care about Big's draft status or contract, and moving Rolle to safety would be ridiculous. So with those said....

I think Big should be a guard because currently he gets manhandled by speed rushers...they kill him because he's too big to compensate for their speed. This leads him not only to getting beat (and beat badly) but to his false starts. He's trying to gain an edge because he knows he is outmatched in those situations...so he moves too early.

 

[D-Dogg]

It's got nothing to do with cap hit. Mainly it is, why pay a G, LT money? That's all. Just not a fan of it because you set a certain precedent with it and somewhere down the line, it could have rmaifications.

It is like buying a new car but offering to pay more $$$ than the sticker says you need to pay. Does it matter to you? Maybe not but it doesn;t make it smart business.

Actually, it's like buying a new car but your bad credit means you have to take a higher interest loan.

The Cardinals FA credit is poor...we have to overpay.

 

[kerouac9]

Tag him with the assumption he will not be back what so ever. The guys lack of physical and mental toughness is a plague on this OL. Davis isnt the only one either.

That's where I'm at with Leonard right now. I think that this team needs a leader, and since Bigg is making all the money, guys look to him. When they seen what a pansy he is (thanks again for the character guys, Mac), they figure that they can get away with it, too.

 

[ajcardfan]

No.

Because I bet he gets resigned before he ever hits the market. He won't want to leave this gravy train, believe me. And, the Cards, I don't care who's here, will see how bad the free agent market is this year and realize he'd be the number 1 guy out there if they let him walk.

 

[Big Deal]

Yeah but if you get some coaching in here that can actually get the best out of their players then that could make a big difference. Please pardon the pun.

 

[Savage58]

Even if moved to Guard, is he worth 7M, is he a game changing lineman? (Hutchinson, he maybe a game changer, Minnesotas running game looks great, but BIG?) I haven't seen that from him in a long time, he should really be auditioning for this team right now, cuz I don't want to pay him 7M/yr up to 10M/yr for the next 5 years. I don't see the payback there.

If they're smart : Let him walk, transition tag him, just in case of a trade option.

If they're not smart : Franchise him for 8M for 1 year, don't offer a long term contract.

Come on they're the Cards: Will pay LD 60M over the next 7 seasons!!!!

JMHO

 

[Big Deal]

So you'd rather leave the money on the table so that we can all go nuts next year because we are so far under the cap, lol.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't care about Big's draft status or contract, and moving Rolle to safety would be ridiculous. So with those said....

I think Big should be a guard because currently he gets manhandled by speed rushers...they kill him because he's too big to compensate for their speed. This leads him not only to getting beat (and beat badly) but to his false starts. He's trying to gain an edge because he knows he is outmatched in those situations...so he moves too early.

Those speed rushers beat alot of good LT's. I think it was last year when i saw Dwight Freeney just abuse Jonathon Ogden. For the most part, i think Davis hanldes himself pretty well ou there. He definitely makes some mistakes but overall i think he's a pretty good LT. I know people want him to be an elite LT, i do to, but i think there can be alot worse out there. As for playing guard, i think he would do well there also but i think he's more valuable as a LT. If we had another option at LT i think there may be a consideration to moving him. I can't remember where he was drafted but a guy i really liked in last years draft was Marcus McNeil. I know he slid a ways in the draft and now he's starting and playing well for SD at left tackle. I forget why he fell and i think he was there in round 2 for us.Having him at LT and then moving LD to guard would have been nice. Even having him play RT would be nice. I think that's where he played up to his senior year at Auburn.

 

[Big Deal]

We left a lot of Tackles on the table in this past draft. I think you will see a few of them be long term starters in the future.

 

[Russ Smith]

Those speed rushers beat alot of good LT's. I think it was last year when i saw Dwight Freeney just abuse Jonathon Ogden. .

Ogden was playing hurt in that game where Freeney killed him, and he's quite a bit older than Big he's on the downside of his career.

Big is our best T, I think his best position is guard but we need 2 tackles to move him. Same goes with Rolle, we can't move him to S until we get another CB to team wtih Green, but again I think S is his best position.

And it's not just "Fashionable" to say that about either guy. Rolle before the draft many people said he might have to move to S in the NFL. And many NFL "experts" have been saying for years that Big is a guard not a tackle, I guarantee you they're not all reading this board before they say that.

 

[Shane]

Ogden was playing hurt in that game where Freeney killed him, and he's quite a bit older than Big he's on the downside of his career.

Big is our best T, I think his best position is guard but we need 2 tackles to move him. Same goes with Rolle, we can't move him to S until we get another CB to team wtih Green, but again I think S is his best position.

And it's not just "Fashionable" to say that about either guy. Rolle before the draft many people said he might have to move to S in the NFL. And many NFL "experts" have been saying for years that Big is a guard not a tackle, I guarantee you they're not all reading this board before they say that.

We could move Macklin to Rolles side and have no drop off in pass defense. Move Rolle to S where he obviously belongs.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ogden was playing hurt in that game where Freeney killed him, and he's quite a bit older than Big he's on the downside of his career.

Big is our best T, I think his best position is guard but we need 2 tackles to move him. Same goes with Rolle, we can't move him to S until we get another CB to team wtih Green, but again I think S is his best position.

And it's not just "Fashionable" to say that about either guy. Rolle before the draft many people said he might have to move to S in the NFL. And many NFL "experts" have been saying for years that Big is a guard not a tackle, I guarantee you they're not all reading this board before they say that.

Ogden may have been hurt but those speed rushers are getting double digit sacks every year for a reason. They are pretty good. They're not all getting their sacks against Big. As for the draft people, you hear alot of junk prior to the draft. Alot of "experts" also said Leinart couldn't make the throws needed in the NFL. Or that Urlached could never be a MLB. There isn't anyway to tell by the limited number of games as to whther Rolle should be moved yet you have some people on here saying he has to be moved right now. That he'll never be a CB. Those are the ones i'm talking about.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ogden may have been hurt but those speed rushers are getting double digit sacks every year for a reason. They are pretty good. They're not all getting their sacks against Big. As for the draft people, you hear alot of junk prior to the draft. Alot of "experts" also said Leinart couldn't make the throws needed in the NFL. Or that Urlached could never be a MLB. There isn't anyway to tell by the limited number of games as to whther Rolle should be moved yet you have some people on here saying he has to be moved right now. That he'll never be a CB. Those are the ones i'm talking about.

The point is the idea that Rolle might be a S is not new. If Leinart were showing week after week his arm wasn't strong enough, people would be saying that too. and it wouldn't be fashionable, it would be because his play showed it might be true.

Rolle simply hasn't shown he can stay with NFL WR's, Gamble showed that almost immediately when he got to play, Rolle hasn't. Whether it's the injury last year or the scheme, he's terrible right now at CB.

 

[Duckjake]

The coaches are going to put the players in their best position to be successful no matter what all the great talent evaluators here think

Not always. That's why coaches get fired.

With the strong evidence of terrible coaching how do we know Davis isn't a great Left Tackle playing in one of the worst offensive line blocking schemes ever designed?

 

[Pariah]

Bad work ethic

What are you basing this on? I heard he has an exceptional work ethic.

 

[Pariah]

It is like buying a new car but offering to pay more $$$ than the sticker says you need to pay. Does it matter to you? Maybe not but it doesn;t make it smart business.

Let's run with this analogy.

You're looking at a car and you're being tempted to pay more than the sticker price. Why is that? Because if you walk away from this car, you don't know how you're getting to work every morning. There are no other cars for sale. Sure, there's a bus stop near your house, but it's routinely very late, and the driver has gotten in 3 rollover accidents in the last month.

Oh, and keep in mind that you literally have more money then you could possibly spend.

So, your choices are:

A) overpay for the fairly reliable Chevy Suburban
-or-
B) pass on the car and take the bus (the bus that will either make you so late so often that you get fired, or kill you in an accident on the way to work).

Which is it?