Does this mean we are stuck with barbosa?

[SirStefan32]

Instant offense off the bench. Which is quite different from being the backup "2" Guard or closing games.

Unfortunately, he's been used for more than that. Which is why he's criticized.

Your point is right on, SirStefan. But will the Suns, even Terry Porter, use him that way? If Leandro stays, I hope so.

The way I see it, they HAVE to use him that way. Richardson is going to pick up 35-40 minutes on SG position, Nash is apparently getting a veteran back up, that leaves Barbosa with 10 or so minutes to play. Even if you go small at the end, and put your 5 best players on the floor with Shaq out, you still end up with Nash, Richardson, Hill, Barnes, and Stoudemire.

I understand why he's been utilized as more than a gimmicky instant offense player before- depth just wasn't there- you had Bell, Barbosa and Nash on 1 and 2- that's it. Now you have an all-star shooting guard, and hopefully a veteran back up for Nash. If push comes to shove, you can play Barnes as a shooting guard too. There is no need for Barbosa to be anything more than an Earl Boykins type player now.

 

[nashman]

Poor Suns...stuck with a great scoring 6th man with speed that most can't touch, oh and a very reasonable contract. What a ridiculous thread the Suns are lucky to have such a player off the bench, their not stuck with anything.

 

[nowagimp]

Ive already told you before on multiple occasions, but I'll do so again:

Barbosa is an excellent 6th man for a host of reasons. He's an excellent 3 point shooter, he can get to the basket, he's a good free throw shooter (which helps since Shaq gets the Suns in the penalty a bit earlier these days) he brings a ton of energy and an offensive spark off the bench, he never complains and never stops hustling, what more do you want from a 6th man?

Not to mention he has one of the most reasonable contracts in the league ,what else do you want from the guy? Sure he's not a great decision maker, well guess what, he's not a point guard! Sure he's not an All Star, but so what?

For whatever reason you endlessly bag on the guy, and on the day when the Suns for the first time in a few years make a good trade you bring him up out of the blue just to crap on him, its ridiculous.

Barbs is one of the best values in the NBA coming off the bench. This is why he is their most tradable asset, the one other GM's ask about. Josh, I suppose you just dont see what NBA professionals see. If Barboas is used as a '2' he is dynamite off the bench, as a PG he has problems, just use him for what he is. He also changes the suns ability to run on the break, all by himself. I can not think of another player not on a rookie contract that is a significantly better value at 5M/per.

 

[Maligzar]

Id LOVE to hear your thoughts on why im uninformed and irrational about barbosa? please, do share.

Sure, how about because like it or not the salary issue is something that has to be considered? Your ONLY SUGGESTION to replace Barbosa is with a guy who makes ONE million dollars a year while Barbosa makes SIX million dollars a year.

How about "why in the world would Portland even make this trade?"

You might as well suggest that we trade Lopez for Bynum.

 

[JGKoblenz]

Poor Suns...stuck with a great scoring 6th man with speed that most can't touch

Gold.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

If you are the Suns GM and are planning on rebuilding around Amare while trying to win during the process, Barbosa is the next move.

He isnt going to get the minutes he should get and he isnt exactly a good fit in this offense.

The Suns need a defender and some youth right now. I still think the Suns need to make a push for Ariza this summer and I think they have a chance. Im guessing Barbosa is moved this summer and fo young guys/role players. The trade deadline is an option, but they would have to get a draft pick in return and need some help on the perimeter.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd sure like to get a look at Tucker before the Suns do anything rash. I never did think the Suns would get a viable trade that could help the team using Diaw and Bell as trade bait. Does anyone think that Dudley and Tucker may have similar skills especially like playing around the basket? The Suns need to make a smart move in adding another PG. I don't think going after leftovers is necessarily the right approach. Maybe another minor trade is out there.

 

[joshstmarie]

Ill admit, last night while me and my roomate were watching the game (hes a suns fan and pretty much feels the same way about barbs) I told him about this thread and basically barbs started making me look like a turd. dumping off TWO passes in like a 5 minute period which really impressed me the most, and then doing the regular barbosa act on top. regaurdless, i still dont think barbosa is the type of guy you want out on the floor in any kind of important situation.

Yes, I know pdx would never do a rudy for barbosa swap, i was being fececious. hence the "i dont care if the salaries dont match" part.

I'd sure like to get a look at Tucker before the Suns do anything rash.

agreed.

 

[JGKoblenz]

I would be OK with trading Barbosa, but the Suns needs to get equal or better talent back. He is not hurting this team like some of you are painting.

 

[CardsFan88]

We'd be insane to trade away Barbosa. As said many times earlier, he's EXACTLY what you want off your bench.

If we're not using him right, then we can't expect him to be at his best.

That said the last 1/3 and playoffs of last season it seemed he couldn't buy a roll. Everything just rolled out, and so far this season it appears to me to be the same way at times. But, I feel that isn't permanent.

Imho if we're going to win a championship say in the next 3 years, Barbosa has got to be on this team.

You can't teach speed.

 

[Mainstreet]

i still dont think barbosa is the type of guy you want out on the floor in any kind of important situation.

We agree. Just never ask LB to make a last second shot or play PG and all is well. This kid is terrific at what he does well. He scores a lot of points off the bench which is terrific for a sixth man.

 

[nowagimp]

I'd sure like to get a look at Tucker before the Suns do anything rash.

tucker is apparently not the same player as dudley. the limited stats on Dudley actually look pretty good. His opponents PER is 18 against the SF position and 11.2!! against the PF position. this is waaaay better than tucker who is NOT a good defender and has NO shot of productive minutes at the PF on defense. It looks like Dudley may replace some of what is lost with Diaw, at least defensively. Dudley also shoots pretty well late in the clock(47% 21+ secs).

 

[Mr. Boldin]

We'd be insane to trade away Barbosa. As said many times earlier, he's EXACTLY what you want off your bench.

The problem with Barbosa is that he doesnt have the bench to run with him, which is what he needs (see the Lakers).

Barbosa has a good contract, the problem is he isnt going to be seeing that many minutes unless you slide Richardson to the SF position at some points. Nash and Richardson are going to log 38 or more minutes a night in the backcourt. Now its one thing if one of them could defend, but you cant exactly go with a 3 guards lineup very long if none of them plays defense.

Barbosa would be a great player off the bench for the right team, but its clear he doesnt exactly fit in with this system. Maybe that changes, but if you are adding alent and quasi rebuilding while trying to compete Barbosa is the most likely to be traded.

 

[jandaman]

As a sixth man, cant complain about barbosa... but if he will eventually become a started then you have a problem..

IF the SUNS can get 2 decent players who will address needs, Barbosa is okay to go...