dont feel bad, we got it too.

[cobbler]

It's apples and oranges as previously stated by several posters.

Amare is a pick and roll offensive center/pf who plays around the rim. Dirk is a high post mid range and 3 pt shooter. Impossible to compare.

I have to give Amare his props for developing his mid range shot recently. I saw a huge improvement in that area at the FIBA games this summer.

They do both compare equally on the other end of the floor as neither plays a stich of D.

apples and oranges

 

[jbeecham]

They do both compare equally on the other end of the floor as neither plays a stich of D.

I'm guessing you haven't seen Amare play enough then if you don't think he plays a stitch of D. He's not a great 1-on-1 defender, but his team defense is pretty good. He's 6th in the league in blocks this season at 2.25 per game. He's 19th in rebounding at 9.2 per game, which he should be better at. Amare's biggest problem is he (3.8/game) and Shaq (3.9/game) get called for more fouls than every other player in the league.....it's tough to play aggressive defense when the refs have put a huge target on your back every single night. The guy gets more ticky tack and phantom calls against him than any other PF/C in the league. Before Shaq got here, Amare was usually the only big guy on the court having to defend guys 30+lbs heavier and 3-4 inches taller every single night. His help was 6'7 SF Shawn Marion, 6'8 SF Grant Hill, 6'8 SF Boris Diaw & occasionally 6'9 PF/C Brian Skinner (although they rarely played together on the court). With that kind of help, Amare was basically setup for failure defensively & on rebounding.

 

[Lorenzo]

I'd like to see some stats to back this up. Now if you mean defensively then I guess you have a point, but the guy averaged 37ppg against the Spurs the year before he had microfracture. Amare has always seemed to step up his scoring and rebounding in the playoffs.

Here's some numbers for you:

06-07 - He averaged 25.3 ppg and 12.1 rpg in last years playoffs, up from 20.4 ppg and 9.6 rpg in the regular season.

04-05, 29.9 ppg and 10.7 rpg in the playoffs. Up from 26 ppg & 8.9 rpg in the regular season.

02-03 (his rookie year), he averaged 14.2 ppg and 7.8 rpg against Tim Duncan & the Spurs.

We didn't make the playoffs in 03-04 after trading Marbury & Penny mid-season for cap space and he missed 05-06 after the microfracture.

I meant more in terms of winning and losing. you can't argue those numbers. and in that game 6 vs SA last year there was only one sun that looked like he was leading his team offensively(and not choking) and that was stevie.

dirk has good playoff numbers as well. His playoff career is 25.1 and 10.7 rebounds. that's pretty good considering the amount of playoff games he's played in and for being only a perimeter guy who can't get to the basket and all. In the 2006 season when dirk willed his team the finals he averaged 27 points and almost 12 rebounds per game......but he's just a perimeter guy. can't defend or score in the paint. this isn't aimed at you beech....just at people who think that dirk is soley a perimeter player. I'm not saying one guy is for sure better than the other. they are different. but I'd like to see how amare looks without steve(the mv3)....being the main option on offense.

 

[LV-Suns]

unstoppable unless he's going against Bynum. *grin*

who?

 

[jbeecham]

I meant more in terms of winning and losing. you can't argue those numbers. and in that game 6 vs SA last year there was only one sun that looked like he was leading his team offensively(and not choking) and that was stevie.

dirk has good playoff numbers as well. His playoff career is 25.1 and 10.7 rebounds. that's pretty good considering the amount of playoff games he's played in and for being only a perimeter guy who can't get to the basket and all. In the 2006 season when dirk willed his team the finals he averaged 27 points and almost 12 rebounds per game......but he's just a perimeter guy. can't defend or score in the paint. this isn't aimed at you beech....just at people who think that dirk is soley a perimeter player. I'm not saying one guy is for sure better than the other. they are different. but I'd like to see how amare looks without steve(the mv3)....being the main option on offense.

Those are some great playoff numbers for Dirk. I didn't realize his rebounding was that good. If you guys had a dominant offensive player in the post, like a Carlos Boozer, then Dirk would be even deadlier (look how many open shots Okur gets). I'll admit I don't watch many Dallas games when they're not playing the Suns so I don't know if Dirk has made progress on his offense in the paint, but it seemed to me like the majority of his moves were turn-around fadeaway jumpers with the occasional dribble drive around the defender for a layup. If he's expanding his post offense then good for him and the more dangerous it makes the Mavs.

Amare on offense without Steve usually doesn't work really well because most of the other guys on our team struggle to get him the ball in areas where he's more effective. Hill & Diaw can do it, but Bell & Barbosa just don't have the ability to make the entry pass consistently.

 

[LV-Suns]

I meant more in terms of winning and losing. you can't argue those numbers. and in that game 6 vs SA last year there was only one sun that looked like he was leading his team offensively(and not choking) and that was stevie.

Did you actually see Amares effort in game 6

 

[Lorenzo]

Did you actually see Amares effort in game 6

I watched the 1st, third and fourth qtrs. the suns went cold in the second half and nash was the main scorer in the 4th.

 

[cobbler]

who?

That would be the young 20 yr old center who torched him twice this year before getting injured!

Good one though... made me smile!

 

[cobbler]

I watched the 1st, third and fourth qtrs. the suns went cold in the second half and nash was the main scorer in the 4th.

Nash hit that BIG 3 when you were down 5 with about 5 mins to go... that was the huge play of the game.

I persoanlly think nash should be putting up 5 to 10 more shots a game. Hes too unselfish.

 

[jbeecham]

Nash hit that BIG 3 when you were down 5 with about 5 mins to go... that was the huge play of the game.

I persoanlly think nash should be putting up 5 to 10 more shots a game. Hes too unselfish.

Nash could easily do that, but usually when he's more of a scorer, the team usually does worse because he's not getting the other guys involved (kind of like when Kobe used to score 40+ but his teammates aren't into the game).

 

[Bufalay]

That would be the young 20 yr old center who torched him twice this year before getting injured!

Good one though... made me smile!

Will Bynum?

 

[Covert Rain]

That would be the young 20 yr old center who torched him twice this year before getting injured!

Good one though... made me smile!

And Amare torched him every game before that. Let's see Bynum be consistent for a season before even mentioning him in the same sentence as Amare....unless your talking about D....I will give Bynum that.

 

[greensborohill]

Amare is an unstoppable offensive machine who eats Dirks for breakfast.

The only reason Dirk takes the game winning shot is because the rest of his team is unreliable, and he's seven feet tall. It's not Amare's fault that he has a great supporting cast, yet he still puts up great numbers and %s.

But you seem to forget he is nationally known as soft and a choker who folds under pressure, and didn't deserve his MVP award.

?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Amare still got his tonight. There was no folding or choking, it was a team brain fart.

9 pts in one quarter for the suns is an anomaly, not a trend. Similarly, the circus shots Dirk chucked up to seal the game were an anomaly.

 

[greensborohill]

Amare still got his tonight. There was no folding or choking, it was a team brain fart.

9 pts in one quarter for the suns is an anomaly, not a trend. Similarly, the circus shots Dirk chucked up to seal the game were an anomaly.

And the high ankle sprain? And the two missed Amare FT's?

12 to 5 4th quarter points. Who ate who's lunch?

 

[elindholm]

Yeah, I really don't see how Suns fans can take anything away from Nowitzki for this game. He led his team to victory and Stoudemire disappeared. The two teams probably won't meet in the playoffs, so I guess revenge will have to wait until next year.

 

[Phade]

he hit a huge shot to ice the game for them.. dirk is the man i like him as a player.

 

[JS22]

And the high ankle sprain? And the two missed Amare FT's?

12 to 5 4th quarter points. Who ate who's lunch?

Your GIANT sig is annoying.

 

[D-Dogg]

Similarly, the circus shots Dirk chucked up to seal the game were an anomaly.

Actually, not so much. The guy makes RIDICULOUS shots over and over again. Shots that have no business going in.

Making them to seal the game? That part is an anomoly...but from 4 minutes left to 1 minute left, I can't recall a guy who makes more ridiculous shots...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Actually, not so much. The guy makes RIDICULOUS shots over and over again. Shots that have no business going in.

Making them to seal the game? That part is an anomoly...but from 4 minutes left to 1 minute left, I can't recall a guy who makes more ridiculous shots...

I doubt if Dirk hits that same shot again.

I agree with you though. The guy hits very tough shots all the time.

I knew after he made that shot, the game was over.

 

[Phade]

I doubt if Dirk hits that same shot again.

I agree with you though. The guy hits very tough shots all the time.

I knew after he made that shot, the game was over.

33 secs left down by 6.. good call

 

[dreamcastrocks]

33 secs left down by 6.. good call

The Suns came back from nearly the same deficit last year against them though, right?

 

[Lorenzo]

well most suns fans on here have given dirk the credit he is do. I don't see the reason to bring this back up especially after yesterday. but for the few that have not.....i really don't understand it. the mavs and suns are pretty much even in all of their recent accomplishments......to include head to head games at home and on the road. and in many of the mavs' victories in those games it has been dirk hitting the big shots down the stretch averaging 30+ points. I was at the playoff game a couple years ago when dirk had a poor game(only 20 something pts).....but still hit the game winning shot. when the mavs win close games it's usually because of him. when they lose it's his fault. that's just the way it goes.

 

[Phade]

The Suns came back from nearly the same deficit last year against them though, right?

pacers did too in like 98?

 

[Lorenzo]

I doubt if Dirk hits that same shot again.

I agree with you though. The guy hits very tough shots all the time.

I knew after he made that shot, the game was over.

how many times have we seen steve hit shots like that? I've seen it countless times. both of these guys make shots like that because of their tireless work ethic. eventhough those plays look like a fluke.....those two are good at those types of plays. dirk makes off balance shots every game.