Doucet

[Shane]

Maybe I'm oblivious but I haven't noticed him having an inordinate number of drops. He had one yesterday but it seems everyone has been dropping Skelton's passes.

You are definitely VERY MUCH oblivious!

 

[Bert]

Maybe I'm oblivious but I haven't noticed him having an inordinate number of drops. He had one yesterday but it seems everyone has been dropping Skelton's passes.

Everyone has been dropping Skelton's passes but Early has been dropping everyones passes all season just before he leaves the game with yet another injury. The guy is just fragile. He doesn't have enough upside to continue to wait for him to string together a few healthy, drop-free games.

 

[Early]

I can't see where this hate comes from. He has been unlucky with all the injuries, we will see if that continues.

He hasn't many dropped balls. He has 2 that i can remember, but i can say the same about Larry Fitzgerald, he has even more to my knowledge, but nobody seems to notice that in same manner. Doucet does have 3-4 passes this year that were very hard to catch and that were easier for CB's, because QB's are horrible, spectacular catches were needed there, and he didn't came away with them. I can say the same about Fitz, that was shut down by most CB's this year and has not got much separation. Everyone on the offense has been dropping passes, that is something inherent in the offense this year, simply because the QB's are not good, very inaccurate, and there is no chemistry. Even when they throw it on the money, the WR's are not ready.

Breaston also had a dropped catch that was a much bigger gain. In fact he had two recently. Nobody makes threads on him.

The fact is that Doucet has been performing on high level when he has been on the field.

He has been injured alot, but let's see if that continues. I get the feeling that it will not, and that he has been very unlucky. He is not Boldin, but he is a very good WR and is going to be even better.

 

[Zeno]

He hasn't many dropped balls. He has 2 that i can remember, but i can say the same about Larry Fitzgerald, he has even more to my knowledge, but nobody seems to notice that in same manner.

According to a recent article on Az Central(this was before the Carolina game)...

The problems at quarterback have been well chronicled, but the Cardinals also have had more dropped passes (12.7 percent of attempts) than any other team.

According to STATS, Inc., receiver Steve Breaston leads the team with seven. Running back Tim Hightower has five, receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Early Doucet have four, followed by Andre Roberts with three and Stephen Williams with two.

They also mention this...

According to STATS, the Cardinals also ranked last in percentage of catchable passes (57.8 percent), so maybe receivers have been a bit surprised when the ball has reached them.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...17arizona-cardinals-trouble-holding-ball.html

 

[Early]

According to a recent article on Az Central(this was before the Carolina game)...



They also mention this...



http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...17arizona-cardinals-trouble-holding-ball.html

Thanks for the link. I guess we should made threads on Larry as well then. Not to speak on how bad route runner he has been this year. In fact, Doucet is running better routes and at least getting separation all the time the has been in there.

Those numbers also depend on how many of the bad throws are represented there. Or do they represent just the easy catches that should have been made, in that case the numbers are valid.

Breaston is the best reciever on this team and offense MVP. He was wide open all year long and even bad QB's have been able to see him and he has been the preferred target as well.

Fitz only excels for real in an Air Coryell offense and we had alot of those elements under Kurt Warner, in fact it was more that than it was an west coast offense. Jumpballs down the field where he can use his huge frame and amazing hands to dominate. He is not a balanced reciever at all. He can't run all the routes. The only "separation" he has been getting is running comeback routes and use his size to make the catch.

Boldin was what we needed this year. That would have helped the QB's we had alot, because he can get open and very fast with his route running and he can get alot of YAC's, we need that.

It was a huge mistake to let Boldin go.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't understand why everybody is on Doucet either. I seem to recall a different attitude in the previous years playoffs. The guy has been hurt. He's a 3rd round guy who is the slot WR. If he's healthy, he been very good at that role. I guess we could stick Max Komar in there. He can stay healthy but stinks. I guess you'd rather see Jerehme Urban back. Now, there's a drop waiting to happen.
, waiting for the "I like Jerehme Urban" post.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I cannot understand where some people are getting "a few drops" or "1 or 2 drops" from.

Doucet had two drops......last game. Not to mention the 15 or so that have hit his hands, that he didn't catch this year.

Horrible. #1 job of a WR is the catch the ball. He doesn't do that.

 

[Totally_Red]

He can't stay healthy, end of discussion. It's not like he's Troy Polamolu, who is one of your star players when healthy but is hurt a lot. He's mediocre at best when healthy.

 

[Mulli]

I don't understand why everybody is on Doucet either. I seem to recall a different attitude in the previous years playoffs. The guy has been hurt. He's a 3rd round guy who is the slot WR. If he's healthy, he been very good at that role. I guess we could stick Max Komar in there. He can stay healthy but stinks. I guess you'd rather see Jerehme Urban back. Now, there's a drop waiting to happen.
, waiting for the "I like Jerehme Urban" post.

This.

 

[Stout]

The fact is that Doucet has been performing on high level when he has been on the field.

Maybe he hasn't sucked as bad as some think, but the above is just not true.

 

[Duckjake]

Maybe he hasn't sucked as bad as some think, but the above is just not true.

No kidding. Urban had better numbers in his three years in Arizona. 78/936/6 to Doucets 57/595/2

Nate Poole and Bryan Gilmore scored as many TDs for the Cards.

 

[az1965]

See post # 12 by Rugby and also his injuries are well past Boldin like. This guy cannot stay healthy for nothing.

His body hasen't even had a chance to take the poundings that Q has over the years. He is a youngster and should be able to remain healthy. He is just brittle and he can't be counted on to either be there from week to week or catch a damn football.

I liked his potential so much... too bad, very unfortunate... the guy is too brittle.

 

[az1965]

I can't see where this hate comes from. He has been unlucky with all the injuries, we will see if that continues.

I was his big supporter until last season... but dude is completely unreliable. You cannot have someone like him as your 3rd WR. Too bad, he had so much potential.

 

[az1965]

Thanks for the link. I guess we should made threads on Larry as well then. Not to speak on how bad route runner he has been this year. In fact, Doucet is running better routes and at least getting separation all the time the has been in there.

Those numbers also depend on how many of the bad throws are represented there. Or do they represent just the easy catches that should have been made, in that case the numbers are valid.

Tell me you are joking with this post, right?

 

[az1965]

WR's next year:

Fitz
Breaston
Roberts
???
???

We must sign Breaston to extention and redo Fitz contract.

Beyond that, rest are all crap.

 

[Russ Smith]

See post # 12 by Rugby and also his injuries are well past Boldin like. This guy cannot stay healthy for nothing.

His body hasen't even had a chance to take the poundings that Q has over the years. He is a youngster and should be able to remain healthy. He is just brittle and he can't be counted on to either be there from week to week or catch a damn football.

So you're saying he's having injury issues early in his career?

Why does this surprise you?

 

[SECTION 11]

I feel bad for him, but cut bait already.

 

[vince56]

Skillet!

yes! thank you for reposting that

I made that like 4 years ago and couldn't find it last year when I wanted to send it to someone.

 

[Duckjake]

Tell me you are joking with this post, right?

I agree. Fitz is going to go over 1000 yards receiving again this season. An incredible feat considering who has been throwing the football for Arizona.

Unbelievably with 110 yards over the next two games Larry will have more yards this season than last.

More strange but true stuff from this Twilight Zone of a season.

The argument could be made that Larry Fitzgerald should be in Ripley's Believe it or Not! Last year with Kurt Warner as his quarterback, Fitzgerald was seventh in the NFL in receptions with 97 and 17th in receiving yards with 1,092.

This season with the football equivalent of Moe, Larry and Curly at quarterback, Fitzgerald is eighth in catches with 78 and 10th in receiving yards with 986.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/12/21/2721495/scouting-report-bad-old-days-back.html

 

[desertdawg]

I agree. Fitz is going to go over 1000 yards receiving again this season. An incredible feat considering who has been throwing the football for Arizona.

Unbelievably with 110 yards over the next two games Larry will have more yards this season than last.

More strange but true stuff from this Twilight Zone of a season.

MVP! MVP! MVP! That is amazing with our QBs.

 

[az1965]

I agree. Fitz is going to go over 1000 yards receiving again this season. An incredible feat considering who has been throwing the football for Arizona.

Unbelievably with 110 yards over the next two games Larry will have more yards this season than last.

More strange but true stuff from this Twilight Zone of a season.



http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/12/21/2721495/scouting-report-bad-old-days-back.html

Amazing stuff... LOL at "Moe, Larry and Curly at quarterback"...

 

[Duckjake]

Amazing stuff... LOL at "Moe, Larry and Curly at quarterback"...

Breaston is also going to have more yards this year than last year. But of course most of Q's 1000+ yards weren't replaced.

Another strange but true item: Hightower had 63 catches last season. So far this year he has 18.

 

[Early]

I agree. Fitz is going to go over 1000 yards receiving again this season. An incredible feat considering who has been throwing the football for Arizona.

Unbelievably with 110 yards over the next two games Larry will have more yards this season than last.

More strange but true stuff from this Twilight Zone of a season.



http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/12/21/2721495/scouting-report-bad-old-days-back.html

I agree. Fitz is going to go over 1000 yards receiving again this season. An incredible feat considering who has been throwing the football for Arizona.

Unbelievably with 110 yards over the next two games Larry will have more yards this season than last.

More strange but true stuff from this Twilight Zone of a season.



http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/12/21/2721495/scouting-report-bad-old-days-back.html

I don't find that amazing. What is the completion percentage? It's probably the half of what it used to be. The QB's are just looking in his direction most of the time, while with Kurt, every reciever got the same attention.

He is not open, yet they are forced to throw to him, because if they don't, he is going to be mad, like we saw it early in the season. Kurt had that ability to complete throws even when Fitz was perfectly covered and not open, that helped alot, these QB's dont have that ability.

His attitude just sucks, and it's not about the team at all, that is very clear as anything. It's definitely the worst conclusion of the year for me, because we didn't had the chance to see this stuff before. It's not hard to get 1000 yards when they look at you and are forcing the ball to you all the time. It's not like he is open, he definitely is not, even Bartell was shutting him down, not to speak about guys like Bailey.

Dont get me wrong, he is still one of the best recievers in making the catch when he is perfectly covered, he has both the size and amazing hands. You want to isolate him down the field and still throw it when he is perfectly covered. But to really make him that weapon, you need a QB with top notch accuracy and touch like Kurt. He is still a weapon, he just isn't the balanced reciever that can play in any scheme, especially in west coast, where you look for quick underneath separation and lots of YAC's. It's absolutely true, what Haley told him, he does only have one trick: making the catch in perfect coverage.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't find that amazing. What is the completion percentage? It's probably the half of what it used to be. The QB's are just looking in his direction most of the time, while with Kurt, every reciever got the same attention.

He is not open, yet they are forced to throw to him, because if they don't, he is going to be mad, like we saw it early in the season. Kurt had that ability to complete throws even when Fitz was perfectly covered and not open, that helped alot, these QB's dont have that ability.

His attitude just sucks, and it's not about the team at all, that is very clear as anything. It's definitely the worst conclusion of the year for me, because we didn't had the chance to see this stuff before. It's not hard to get 1000 yards when they look at you and are forcing the ball to you all the time. It's not like he is open, he definitely is not, even Bartell was shutting him down, not to speak about guys like Bailey.

Dont get me wrong, he is still one of the best recievers in making the catch when he is perfectly covered, he has both the size and amazing hands. You want to isolate him down the field and still throw it when he is perfectly covered. But to really make him that weapon, you need a QB with top notch accuracy and touch like Kurt. He is still a weapon, he just isn't the balanced reciever that can play in any scheme, especially in west coast, where you look for quick underneath separation and lots of YAC's. It's absolutely true, what Haley told him, he does only have one trick: making the catch in perfect coverage.

Your contradictions aside, you still think it aint no thing to get 1000 yards with DA (worst QB in the league) , Hall (UDFA), and a 5th round rookie project ? (Skelton does look good)

This is all time funny to me, but I have been drinking. So who knows.

 

[Early]

Your contradictions aside, you still think it aint no thing to get 1000 yards with DA (worst QB in the league) , Hall (UDFA), and a 5th round rookie project ? (Skelton does look good)

This is all time funny to me, but I have been drinking. So who knows.

And what are the contradictions? Not impressed at all by his play, 1000 yards means nothing, it's a very low percentage throw in his way, Breaston has been playing much better than Fitz this year.

His attitude sucks even more than his play. If they don't look at him all the time, he is acting like T.O on the field and sideline.

That's not about team. It's about Fitz. I think that's the worst about the whole thing. I hate that attitude. I had a different view on him one till two years ago, but last year even with Kurt in there, we saw some signs on this bad attitude from Fitz, remember the quote from his brother?

Boldin is the one getting open all day long against any coverage. That is what gets defenses open up and that is what the offense starts with. He gets 1st downs, he gets separation, he gets open, he gets YACs. I would trade Fitz for Boldin, without even thinking about it, maybe not when you have Kurt Warner as QB that can place that ball so well down the field, but with any other QB almost, i prefer Boldin, by far.