Doug Haller, 3rd edition mock

[sunsfan88]

I'm struggling to see what's wrong with Tatum other than his tendency not to pass to the open man which I'm sure (i may be wrong) can be coached out of him once he realises he not the singular star of the show.

Plus:

He's so much longer than Jackson - their wing spans may be only one and a bit inches apart but there's a 7 inch difference in standing reach.

That is enormous.

Jackson's 8'3" standing reach is the same as guys who are 6'2", meaning Kawhi Leonard, and long SF's like him, will absolutely destroy him.

Plus there's character issues which we've proven we can't handle.

I'm officially on record saying I want Tatum over Jackson.

I'll go on record saying I don't want Tatum nor Jackson

Fox, Isaac, Markannen make up my top 3 for the time being.

 

[3rdside]

The NBA Draft Power Rankings game is on its way (for another try )

 

[Carolinacacti]

I roll the dice on Isaac, Just see to much KD in him.

 

[3rdside]

I have Isaac firmly locked in for my bust of the top 10 - just an opinion (which the draft power rankings game can add / subtract credibility to in a few years..)

 

[Carolinacacti]

If Isaac goes to Minn he will be a star. If he goes to the Suns then Bust is possible.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's his playing style that's the problem not necessarily his actual attributes.

He was a black hole and ball stopper at Duke and that's likely to continue in the NBA.

Maybe this is the way Krzyzewskiv chose to utilize him. He is only 19 so he can be molded.

 

[hsandhu]

I roll the dice on Isaac, Just see to much KD in him.

I think I'm there too. If jackson falls to 4, you take him. Just because it is more likely he hits a ceiling than issac.

If he is gone, it is a real difficult choice. Tatum is a surer bet, and may be a hell of a player... but if we pass on issac and in 3 or 4 years he is the next Greek freak that will be sickening.

As I predicted months ago, issac's stock would really soar pre draft.... I don't care about his fsc production, I watched several fsu games and the older players didn't give him the ball, even when he was in easy scoring position. Also fsu plays a 10 men rotation I think issac only averaged 25 mins,

I see chad ford said once workouts start some teams may even have him above jackson and tatum, nbadraft.net which uses current scouts info now went there, and put a durant ceiling on his comparison.

He is nearly 6'11, and moves like a very fluid and quick 6'6 sf.

 

[3rdside]

I take it all back, Isaac is not my lock for the bust and the KG comparisons are legit. I must have watched a high school video or something cause I thought he was totally awkward as an athlete first time around, and he's not.

 

[3rdside]

So maybe that's our decision - swing for the fences on Isaac or go safe on Tatum (assuming we're in the market for a SF which I think it's safe to say we are). Looking at the physical measurements I have totally cooled on Jackson; that standing reach is not just bad, it's awful.

 

[3rdside]

And I take it all back on Jackson:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/

GD draft express with the wrong number in the top row - it's an 8'9 3/4" standing reach.

 

[3rdside]

So we're gonna be looking at Jackson, Tatum or Isaac - I think that shows we're gonna get someone really good right there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I roll the dice on Isaac, Just see to much KD in him.

I see a lot of Korbin Dingle in him too, just not sure that will help him in the NBA.

 

[AzStevenCal]

And I take it all back on Jackson:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/

GD draft express with the wrong number in the top row - it's an 8'9 3/4" standing reach.

Yeah, I saw that and wasn't sure which one was accurate. Regardless, his wingspan is disappointingly mediocre. I heard he lied about his age too, he's actually 28. Not a surprise, he's from California and kids will do anything to escape that hellhole.

 

[elindholm]

So we're gonna be looking at Jackson, Tatum or Isaac - I think that shows we're gonna get someone really good right there.

Just not Fox, please. Another undersized combo guard.

 

[3rdside]

Just not Fox, please. Another undersized combo guard.

You sure you're not thinking of Monk, an undersized SG? Fox - I think - is a pure PG.

 

[elindholm]

You sure you're not thinking of Monk, an undersized SG? Fox - I think - is a pure PG.

I don't know what Fox calls himself, but his assist rate (5.8/40) is very low for a pure PG.

 

[3rdside]

Yeah, I saw that and wasn't sure which one was accurate. Regardless, his wingspan is disappointingly mediocre. I heard he lied about his age too, he's actually 28. Not a surprise, he's from California and kids will do anything to escape that hellhole.

His wingspan is not great - 6'9.75" vs 6'8" in height - and inches matter in pro sports, especially on the defensive end.

Looking at the guys in the All NBA teams, he's physically the lesser of all of them (Height / Wingspan / Standing Reach - obv can't confirm accuracy) except Jimmy Butler.


Antekounmpo - 6'11" / 7'3" / 9'3"

Durant - 6'9" / 7'4" / 9'0.5"

LeBron - 6'8" / 7'0" / 8'10.75"

Leonard - 6'7" / 7'2" / 8'10"

George - 6'8"/ 6'11"/ 8'11"

Green - 6'7" / 7'1" / 8'10"

Butler - 6'8" / 6'8" / 8'8"

Tatum - 6'8"/ 6'11"/ 8'10.5"

Jackson - 6'8"/ 6'10"/ 8'9.75"


That's not to say he can't be very good - dude looks like he can pass a ball pretty well - but that's some pretty stiff physical competition right there.

And the Greek Freak is just that.

 

[3rdside]

I don't know what Fox calls himself, but his assist rate (5.8/40) is very low for a pure PG.

He's a scorer then (so I'll probably give him a miss in that sense as well..)

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't consider Fox undersized at all but he hasn't shown strong PG skills so far. I have more confidence in his ability to become a solid shooter than I do in his ability to easily generate offense for others.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He's a scorer then (so I'll probably give him a miss in that sense as well..)

Actually what he does best is defend. He's not horrible at anything other than that 3 point shot but running a team isn't a strength. I'd expect him to develop similarly to Bledsoe while, hopefully, maintaining his defensive mind-set.

The more we ask of Eric on offense, the less he's given us on defense the past couple of years. I think it's clear he lacks stamina but Fox appears able to sustain his game as a two way player.

 

[elindholm]

He's a scorer then (so I'll probably give him a miss in that sense as well..)

Everyone needs to be a scorer. Good NBA defenses are too sophisticated for a team to be able to afford having someone on the floor who isn't a threat to score. You figure out how to play off that guy and then you have 5-on-4 everywhere else. That's true at any position, including PG. What makes being a PG hard is the need to assess on every play whether your own shot or a teammate's shot is the team's best option. But just deciding to call yourself a "pass-first PG" isn't a solution.

This doesn't have much to do with Fox, other than to say I don't knock him for being a scorer, just for not being a PG.

 

[3rdside]

Everyone needs to be a scorer. Good NBA defenses are too sophisticated for a team to be able to afford having someone on the floor who isn't a threat to score. You figure out how to play off that guy and then you have 5-on-4 everywhere else. That's true at any position, including PG. What makes being a PG hard is the need to assess on every play whether your own shot or a teammate's shot is the team's best option. But just deciding to call yourself a "pass-first PG" isn't a solution.

This doesn't have much to do with Fox, other than to say I don't knock him for being a scorer, just for not being a PG.

So 6 of one half a dozen of another

Even Fultz scares me but I think I'm being both ridiculous and spoiled because of Nash and Kidd.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Dennis Smith is easily the 2nd best player in this draft in my opinion.

The only question is he checks out medically. If not or if we simply don't want to draft a PG I have Tatum next.

Dennis Smith has everything you want from a PG prospect. He has elite athleticism, he has the best ball-handling ability in this draft, he is a decent shooter off the dribble and catch with easy NBA range. He gets to the rim, even on a NCSU team that had 2 big man that clogged the paint and provided no spacing. He has good passing instincts and vision and regularly found his teammates in traffic or for lobs.
Two triple doubles as a freshman PG, huge games against Duke, Virginia, Syracuse..


His defense is not great but it is not like Lonzo, Fultz etc are playing better defense at this stage. He has all the tools.

And as a nice plus TJ Warren already knows him.

Somehow hes getting lost in the shuffle he could end up being the best player in this draft!

 

[Mainstreet]

Somehow hes getting lost in the shuffle he could end up being the best player in this draft!

Some good ones are going to sneak by the first few picks.

 

[Matt L]

I take it all back, Isaac is not my lock for the bust and the KG comparisons are legit. I must have watched a high school video or something cause I thought he was totally awkward as an athlete first time around, and he's not.

are you comparing him to Garnett or Durant?