Draft day trade with Portland brewing?

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Just a hunch after taking a deeper look at Chad Ford's new Mock 5.0, but it makes me wonder if we in fact do have a deal in the works with Portland.

The entire time he has had Rush at 15 for us, now he has him at 13 for Portland, but his entire description is about how Portland doesn't need youth and is looking to trade. He bases this off of not on what they should do but what they will do regarding inside info.

Along with the multiple rumors floating around that we may aim for two draft picks in the first round, and that Barbs and Diaw are being dangled out there in trade rumors, Kerr may have some tricks up his sleeve with the "future considerations" promised with last year's James Jones trade.

Pryzbilla has been doing great things for them in the starting lineup and may be a great frontcourt backup to Oden and Aldrige.

Barbs/Diaw/2nd Rounder for Jack/Frye(or Outlaw)/LaFrentz/13?


Roy/Blake/Rodriguez (and wtf Fernandez)
Barbs/JJ/Wafer
Diaw/Webster
Aldrige/Outlaw(or Frye)/McRoberts
Oden/Pryzbilla



Suns

Nash/Jack/DJ
Bell/Rush(13)/Tucker
Hill/Greene(15)/Giricek(?)
Amare/Frye
Shaq/LaFrentz/Skinner(?)

 

[Covert Rain]

Interesting. So if we keep our #15 pick and could trade Diaw/Barbs and a 2nd rounder to get their #13?

Do it. Although we don't really address the backup PG issues. Depending on Jack or Strawberry to fill that need is very risky.

 

[Irish]

draftexpress has Rush dropped to 17.

Since each were working off the same rumor, I don't know what to think. I'd be surprised if this signaled a mega deal.

In any case, I'm not sure I see the point from the Blazer perspective. Any deal that requires them to think McRoberts is an NBA player seems pretty doubtful.

 

[jandaman]

a few rumours going the circle.
All based on draft day.

The real big one is regarding Heat, getting Mayo.
If they do... and they have incentives to do so, no matter how good Beasley is, they dont want him. And no one wants to trade there top 5 pick and another player just to get Beasley from Heat who Riley doesnt even want... if that makes sense.

If Wolves get Beasley, they trade him for Bogut + filler.... thats huge.





Anyways regarding the Suns, theres a 3 draft day trades.... The Blazers one is always been on my radar also, it makes sense.

The other is the Milwaukee Bucks. For some reason I think they rather have Diaw than any of the remaining players on the board, regardless of his salary. This would most likely be highly dependent on Bogut trade not going ahead, Bogut, Yi and Diaw front court... thats a tremendously good passing front court very versatile also.


The other one is involving the Knicks...
Diaw and Barbosa for 6th and filler (Rose or Curry + hopefully Lee)
Again dependent on Mayo still on board (I doubt it, so this scenario is likely already) and/or D'Antoni picking up DJ Augustin at the 6th spot, hopefully becomming their run and gun point guard.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Frye is wishful thinking on my part (in regards to your Mcroberts comment) Chances are they keep frye for the backup 4, as he is the perfect backup for Aldrige. It would most likely be Outlaw instead, as he has been mentioned in a few Portland trade rumors.

Relying on Jack as our backup doesnt strike me as risky at all, as there arent many backup point guards that wouldnt be a risk, that would be as easily obtainable.

 

[Beaver]

Diaw isn't on your updated POR depth chart, so McRoberts won't be there. POR waived Miles last year I believe. Think he missed enough time for insurance to kick in.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Updated original post for accuracy

 

[Irish]

A deal with Milwaukee could involve Mo Williams who is rumored to be on the block. Mo played for Porter. His stats are much better than Felton who was suggested earlier. At $8.3 million he's a financial match to Diaw.

Raymond Felton
Charlotte Bobcats
Position: G
Height: 6-1 Weight: 198
College: North Carolina
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 14.4
RPG 3.0
APG 7.4
SPG 1.2
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.413
FT% 0.800
3P% 0.280
MPG 37.6

Mo Williams
Milwaukee Bucks
Position: G
Height: 6-1 Weight: 185
College: Alabama
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 17.2
RPG 3.5
APG 6.3
SPG 1.2
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.480
FT% 0.856
3P% 0.385
MPG 36.5

I'm not sure there is any reason this would happen, but Mo Williams may be one of the better PG prospects rumored to be available.

 

[Bigdez22]

Just a hunch after taking a deeper look at Chad Ford's new Mock 5.0, but it makes me wonder if we in fact do have a deal in the works with Portland.

The entire time he has had Rush at 15 for us, now he has him at 13 for Portland, but his entire description is about how Portland doesn't need youth and is looking to trade. He bases this off of not on what they should do but what they will do regarding inside info.

Along with the multiple rumors floating around that we may aim for two draft picks in the first round, and that Barbs and Diaw are being dangled out there in trade rumors, Kerr may have some tricks up his sleeve with the "future considerations" promised with last year's James Jones trade.

Pryzbilla has been doing great things for them in the starting lineup and may be a great frontcourt backup to Oden and Aldrige.

Barbs/Diaw/2nd Rounder for Jack/Frye(or Outlaw)/LaFrentz/13?


Roy/Blake/Rodriguez (and wtf Fernandez)
Barbs/JJ/Wafer
Diaw/Webster
Aldrige/Outlaw(or Frye)/McRoberts
Oden/Pryzbilla



Suns

Nash/Jack/DJ
Bell/Rush(13)/Tucker
Hill/Greene(15)/Giricek(?)
Amare/Frye
Shaq/LaFrentz/Skinner(?)

The only thing I dont like about that trade is Hill starting. He needs to be at 20 to 25 min a game next year so he is ready to go in the playoffs(one of the big reasons i think we lost to SA this year). I would Love to have Rush and Greene. A guy that could play today and a guy for the future.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I am of the opinion that Hill can, will, and still wants to start.

 

[Bigdez22]

He can start but it is my opinion that he cant, wont, and should not play more then 20 to 25 min a game.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Make it 28 and we've got a deal.

 

[Bigdez22]

Deal

 

[cly2tw]

You guys are amazing. Sometimes, you grossly overvalue our players like Marion be too good for a trade to get Pierce or Chandler etc. Now you say Diaw+LB is only good for #6 (Bayless or Gordon?) and fillers, or #13 and Frye plus fillers?

 

[Irish]

You guys are amazing. Sometimes, you grossly overvalue our players like Marion be too good for a trade to get Pierce or Chandler etc. Now you say Diaw+LB is only good for #6 (Bayless or Gordon?) and fillers, or #13 and Frye plus fillers?

I'm curious. Who said they would not trade Marion for Pierce or Chandler? I just can't remember anyone making that statement.

 

[tobiazz]

The only thing I dont like about that trade is Hill starting. He needs to be at 20 to 25 min a game next year so he is ready to go in the playoffs(one of the big reasons i think we lost to SA this year). I would Love to have Rush and Greene. A guy that could play today and a guy for the future.

Old players can have reduced minutes yet still start. It's easier on them since they can warm up before the game begins. You could have him start each half and give another guy the bulk of the SF minutes, and in certain scenarios have Hill finish the game.

DISREGARD... your more recent post popped up now

 

[hafey]

That's a miserable trade. Portland gets the two best players in the deal.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I saw the trade as filling every priority we had in accordance with reports and rumors.

Diaw has value lower than his contract and Barbosa's weaknesses have been exaggerated as of late. Frye is a great talent and will only get better, Jack is a servicable backup PG, LaFrentz is a decent backup center that is also expiring, and the suns want two draft picks this year.

Hell, Jason Richardson was traded for a(read: one, singular) #9 draft pick last season, because it fit the needs of the ball club.


I also dont recall ever overvaluing Marion, and dont think this trade undervalues these two at all, as Diaw is the epitome of the term "albatross."

To get any more out of Diaw and Barbosa, you would have to find an optimist who is convinced that they can perform to their potential.

 

[tobiazz]

Wow, I feel the life coming back to me... Mo Williams would be a pretty sick backup for Nash BUT we'd have tons of money tied up in the PG position and he's got an extra year than Diaw left on his contract, so say goodbye to huge cap space in 2010. Also his final two years are player option, which can be problematic.

 

[tobiazz]

draftexpress has Rush dropped to 17.

Since each were working off the same rumor, I don't know what to think. I'd be surprised if this signaled a mega deal.

Doesn't Draft Express just rank according to talent and just have the team name there for reference?

 

[Rab]

If we could grab Outlaw, I'd be a happy dude.

 

[Irish]

Doesn't Draft Express just rank according to talent and just have the team name there for reference?

Draft Express was one of the first teams to put Rush at 15 and had him there since late May. My read on it is that they slot teams they think have made promises and then value rank the rest. My read is that they thought the promise was dropped.

 

[nowagimp]

Diaw has value lower than his contract and Barbosa's weaknesses have been exaggerated as of late. Frye is a great talent and will only get better, Jack is a servicable backup PG, LaFrentz is a decent backup center that is also expiring, and the suns want two draft picks this year.

Hell, Jason Richardson was traded for a(read: one, singular) #9 draft pick last season, because it fit the needs of the ball club.


I also dont recall ever overvaluing Marion, and dont think this trade undervalues these two at all, as Diaw is the epitome of the term "albatross."

To get any more out of Diaw and Barbosa, you would have to find an optimist who is convinced that they can perform to their potential.

Wow, sounds backwards to me, where do I start:

1) Jason Richardson was a salary dump, the warriors have Baron davis and monta ellis to sign this summer, big money problems there. that deal was lopsided, only explainable by the warriors money problems. And it probably did cost them a spot in the playoffs this year.

2) havent heard anyone outside of a U of A fan calling frye a "great talent". He's been in the league 3 years and his production has fallen every year. he was 9th on the blazers depth chart last year with oden out all year. the criticisms I hear is that he is still not strong enough to guard a PF ont he low block. The dude needs som weight training to make it as a PF in the NBA. He has a decent mid range shot and not much down low on defense or offense. The comparison to aldrige just mystifies me.

3) lafrentz a decent backup center? He is terrible defensively, just terrible. Diaw is way better playing out of position at center. If suns fans didnt like Diaw at center, they will hate lafrenz.

4) Jack may be a servicable backup PG, but dont base that on his play against steve nash, beware! His asst/To ratio at 1.76 is well below that of Diaw, and just about ANY backup PG. I did a quick check and farmar, bobby jackson, diaw/Hill, pargo were all above 2 asst/TO.

5) mid to late last season writers were saying the blazers were really high on outlaw, that they wouldnt trade him. I dunno what changed if that was true.

 

[Irish]

I only slightly disagree about Frye. Isiah Thomas kept insisting he bulk up when playing for the Knicks, which slowed him down and did not make him any better on the inside than before. I think he's a decent backup, but not a major improvement on Diaw from the Suns perspective.

In any case, I project the Blazers will take another big with their pick and discount their interest in Rush. Here is their projected depth chart:

C Odem Przybilla. LaFrentz
PF Aldridge, Frye, McRoberts
SF Outlaw, Webster, Jones
SG Roy, Fernandez
PG Blake, Jack, rodriguez

All the bigs available #13 are projects, but they can afford to wait. What the Blazers need is veteran leadership, not another wing, so a trade for veteran players seems far more likely than getting Diaw/Barbosa.