Draft Grade

[tnmike]

I give the draft a grade of I for incomplete

 

[AZ Native]

I give it a solid B at this point. But we won't until much later.

 

[BritCard]

Remember when we all thought Hakeem Butler, the other Thompson and Johnson were steals? Or when the Rosen One was going to be QBOTF?

Draft grades are pointless.

 

[DVontel]

Remember when we all thought Hakeem Butler, the other Thompson and Johnson were steals? Or when the Rosen One was going to be QBOTF?

Draft grades are pointless.

I’m pretty sure you would be posting Twitter links had this class been getting overwhelming positive reviews.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Probably a solid B. I don't think the edge rushers we drafted will be good enough to fill our biggest need on the team. We could supplement that with a FA pickup though.

We also didn't get any real IOL upgrades.

 

[BritCard]

I’m pretty sure you would be posting Twitter links had this class been getting overwhelming positive reviews.

Then you would be wrong as usual. Seems to be getting B's widely but can't think of any more pointless.

I personally am unsure about many of the picks. Don't see Thomas as an OLB. Sanders doesn't seem to have much bend. Etc

But we will see.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

how can you grade a draft if none of he players have played yet?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

how can you grade a draft if none of he players have played yet?

You grade the attempt to draft/fix holes in the team.
You grade the drafting of specific players, compared to their relative value. (Did they reach for a player? Did they get a steal?)
I thought it was understood.

 

[DVontel]

Probably a solid B. I don't think the edge rushers we drafted will be good enough to fill our biggest need on the team. We could supplement that with a FA pickup though.

We also didn't get any real IOL upgrades.

“Trenches? What is that?” - Steve Keim.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

You grade the attempt to draft/fix holes in the team.
You grade the drafting of specific players, compared to their relative value. (Did they reach for a player? Did they get a steal?)
I thought it was understood.

This is all true, and yet the grade at the end of the day is absolutely useless.

Fact is that plenty of drafts with high grades flop and plenty with low grades turn out to be great. The NFL is such a crapshoot when it comes to who will pan out and who won't.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This is all true, and yet the grade at the end of the day is absolutely useless.

Fact is that plenty of drafts with high grades flop and plenty with low grades turn out to be great. The NFL is such a crapshoot when it comes to who will pan out and who won't.

If you want to look at it that way, this entire message board is useless.

It is something to talk about, and an interesting one at that.

 

[tnmike]

If you want to look at it that way, this entire message board is useless.

It is something to talk about, and an interesting one at that.

I've wondered the same thing about this message board

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If you want to look at it that way, this entire message board is useless.

It is something to talk about, and an interesting one at that.

There is plenty to talk about without even a mention of draft grades. That being said no one is suggesting that draft grades shouldn't be talked about, but more so that they shouldn't be taken very seriously because they have virtually no basis in how good the draft will pan out down the road.

 

[QuebecCard]

how can you grade a draft if none of he players have played yet?

You can't but you can do a return on investment chart.

What were the player's grade and positional ranking entering the draft and where did the Cards select a said player.

There's a graft out there showing the Cards were second to Carolina on ROI.

 

[daves]

Excerpts from one of The Athletic's articles on the draft:

First, regarding the methodology:

A study done by PFF evaluating the 2014 through 2019 NFL Draft classes found that the Consensus Big Board went nearly blow-for-blow with the NFL in evaluating how well prospects would go on to do. Add in the fact that most public boards do not attempt to control that much for positional value or fit and it’s remarkable that there have been portions of the draft where the consensus board has beaten the NFL in predicting player performance.

We’ll take the draft capital used by teams and divide it by the capital they earned over their picks, using a formula similar to the Jimmy Johnson trade chart and one that aligns closely with the recently formulated trade chart built on draft trades from the last five years via Rich Hill. This does not evaluate the draft trades teams made in part because it is difficult to figure out how to discount future picks or incorporate player-for-pick trades.

So this will just evaluate the selections made for the picks teams had.

They listed the top reaches and steals of the draft, and none of the Cardinals' picks made either list.

Then they ranked all 32 teams:

Adding up the values of all 262 draft picks, adjusting for need and positional value and calculating it as a percentage return on investment gives us the following chart:

2022 Consensus Board Draft Return

RANK	TEAM	CAPITAL	VALUE	NET	ROI
1	You must be registered for see images attach Carolina Panthers	4001	5489.8	1488.8	137.20%
2	You must be registered for see images attach Arizona Cardinals	3194.5	3976.8	782.3	124.50%
3	You must be registered for see images attach Kansas City Chiefs	6457	7870.2	1413.3	121.90%
4	You must be registered for see images attach Seattle Seahawks	6600.2	7878.4	1278.2	119.40%
5	You must be registered for see images attach Baltimore Ravens	8064	9374.8	1310.8	116.30%
...
27	You must be registered for see images attach San Francisco 49ers	3827.4	3121.1	-706.3	81.50%
28	You must be registered for see images attach Jacksonville Jaguars	6849.8	5452.1	-1397.7	79.60%
29	You must be registered for see images attach Tampa Bay Buccaneers	4631.5	3599	-1032.5	77.70%
30	You must be registered for see images attach Denver Broncos	4274.6	3135.1	-1139.4	73.30%
31	You must be registered for see images attach Los Angeles Rams	2357.6	1608.1	-749.5	68.20%
32	You must be registered for see images attach New England Patriots	5433.3	3402.2	-2031.1	62.60%

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...dave

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is all true, and yet the grade at the end of the day is absolutely useless.

Fact is that plenty of drafts with high grades flop and plenty with low grades turn out to be great. The NFL is such a crapshoot when it comes to who will pan out and who won't.

My god! CardsSunsDbacks is right! What have we all been doing all these years?!? We should shut down ASFN and every other sports board that’s based on speculation, opinion, and arguing and do something productive for the world and society! May god have mercy on all of us!

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

My god! CardsSunsDbacks is right! What have we all been doing all these years?!? We should shut down ASFN and every other sports board that’s based on speculation, opinion, and arguing and do something productive for the world and society! May god have mercy on all of us!

Cool story, never said not to talk about it, but make your snarky comments anyways.

My issue is more with the seriousness that people often take from these draft grades. They really aren't something to be taken seriously, but if you want to use your time taking it seriously and have debates over than you do you.

 

[PDXChris]

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[JeffGollin]

Ouchie - There’s a difference between (a) shutting down all debate and (b) calling out the material containing faulty logic, inaccuracies or bias for or against the team merely to “fire for effect.”

Bottom Line - Criticize dumb or inaccurate content, but don’t ban it altogether.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ouchie - There’s a difference between (a) shutting down all debate and (b) calling out the material containing faulty logic, inaccuracies or bias for or against the team merely to “fire for effect.”

Bottom Line - Criticize dumb or inaccurate content, but don’t ban it altogether.

He was clearly being facetious...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cool story, never said not to talk about it, but make your snarky comments anyways.

My issue is more with the seriousness that people often take from these draft grades. They really aren't something to be taken seriously, but if you want to use your time taking it seriously and have debates over than you do you.

Then maybe don’t read the “Draft Grade” thread? Just a thought.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ouchie - There’s a difference between (a) shutting down all debate and (b) calling out the material containing faulty logic, inaccuracies or bias for or against the team merely to “fire for effect.”

Bottom Line - Criticize dumb or inaccurate content, but don’t ban it altogether.

Eh when someone tells a bunch of posters what they are doing is “useless” it bothers me. Sorry, just the way I’m built.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[Harry]

Then you would be wrong as usual. Seems to be getting B's widely but can't think of any more pointless.

I personally am unsure about many of the picks. Don't see Thomas as an OLB. Sanders doesn't seem to have much bend. Etc

But we will see.

Sanders has very flexible ankles and is quick off the snap. He moves odd and is hard to set up a blocking angle on. I think he’ll be fine, but we’ll see

 

[BritCard]

We should have drafted this guy, he has 4 arms.

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